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Old 01-17-2013, 06:10 PM
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it is an official visit on behalf of HM's Government. it isnt an official royal visit.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:22 PM
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They are doing what I expected them to do. They will have their own careers but they will be doing charity work and possibly doing some traveling. If enough funds are raised, Eugenie will official open a hospital ward in her name. Princess Beatrice is an Ambassador for Children in Crisis and is involved with Springboard for Children, a charity working in socially and economically disadvantaged areas alongside school children who struggle to read and write. As we know Bea suffered from Dyslexia and she's also involved with The Teenage Cancer Trust.

Last year, Beatrice became royal patron of York Musical Society. Also last year, Princess Eugenie became royal patron of the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital's Redevelopment Appeal. So the girls will be doing engagments but not really on the big official side as the rest of the royal family.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:34 PM
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're 20 something year old daughters going out/ being seen out with their 50 something yo mums.

I (aged in my 50s) quite often go out with my 20 (this year) yo daughter, just as I go out with my 80+yo mum-in-law, just as I also do with my (mid-20s) sons...rather normal, pedestrian family behaviour I would have thought..
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:34 PM
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Great job by both Beatrice and Eugenie today. I think Beatrice spoke beautifully. Frankly, with William and Catherine being so adamant about being more "private" than "public" for the next few years, I think that Beatrice and Eugenie should be used more often in an official capacity.

They are royal-born and bred, well-educated, attractive, and well-spoken ... can't get much better than that!
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:48 PM
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The problem is that they aren't needed or wanted as full-time royals so they need to have full-time jobs. That means that they have to do royal duties in their leave time - as happened this time but doing this sort of thing is hardly 'holiday time' so not relaxing and preparing to work hard again for the people who are paying her, and that isn't the British public or government.

I think that this shows that William and Kate need to realise that it is time for them to forget about trying to be a private couple and realise that with the privileged lives they live they have responsibilities to represent their nation.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:50 PM
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Well done Ladies!!! Well done indeed!!

My only quibble, and leave it to the DM to show the picture, was that one picture of Bea at the table w/the kids colouring/drawing and when she's leaning forward...We get a wee bit more than we should thanks to the neckline. Which is a shame because it looked incredable on her the rest of the time, but that one time and...A shame.

As for the hat...She was asked about it by a kid, so what else is she going to do? I've actually thought that Beatrice has handled herself regarding that entire mess w/great maturity and dignity over something that is going to follow her from now till time's end. She knows it and I respect her for how she continues to handle it.

I really hope the way TRH have handled themselves will give them more chances to be able to do things like this. As someone else said, they could really help to take some stress off of Kate right now. They really are proving to be two more jewels in the Crown. :)
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:20 AM
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^^You want William to leave in the middle of his RAF contract to be a full time royal?

How is Beatrice and Eugenie's trip to Germany shows that William and Kate needs to become full time royal now?
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:29 AM
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William is not 'in the middle' of an RAF contract - he is about to come to the end of his current term and has to make up his mind within weeks as to whether he is going to continue. It is time to leave the military for William and start to take some of the load off his grandparents. He can't expect his 64 year old father to do more than he is doing so it is time for him to accept his responsibilities.

The very fact that the PM asked Beatrice and Eugenie - a couple of girls who from all reports aren't wanted as working royals by their uncle or their cousin - shows that it is time for William and Kate to stop hiding in Wales and start actually working as royals. It is totally unfair to ask them to do this sort of think in their holiday time - as Beatrice had to do - use some of her leave time for this.

Beatrice and Eugenie are good hearted girls but their future isn't in promoting Britain or doing public engagements - William and Kate's is.
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William hasn't been hiding in Wales he has been working in the RAF you seem to forget Prince Charles and Andrew had military careers for a long time too. William isn't the next in line he is the next, next in line that is an awful long time to do Royal duties fulltime. He has also done this with with the consent of the Queen and his father. They seem fine with him having some sort of normal life before having to commit fully to public duty. Don't forget there is no retirement age for a King or Queen I think it's great William and Kate have had the chance to have their own lives. Nothing wrong with that. Why people think Beatrice and Eugenie should be fulltime working members of the RF is a little puzzling. What about Peter and Zara they don't have titles but they have the same Grandmother? The public seem to be telling the RF they want it cut down the Queen and Prince Phillip are now the only 2 on the civil list. The Queen pays for everyone else carrying out their duties why on earth would she want to add another two? Charles will be King and he will do things his way the whole we have never heard anything official about it being cutdown is true but it has been around for years never been denied by anyone and is a constant. Charles is the one who will have to pay so I understand why he wouldn't be inviting Beatrice and Eugenie into that lifestyle. Besides Beatrice and Eugenie have both said they want careers and don't want to be fulltime working Royals anyway. It does seem to be Andrew pushing for it at least that is the drama the press are creating.

The quote about the discussing economics is back in one of the reports done on what they will be doing. The Government chose them but won't be giving them any money Andrew is footing the travel bill and Berlin is putting them up so to speak. That is why many are wondering about them being chosen and you have to admit it is a little odd that they want them to represent them but they won't pay for them to go. Andrew doesn't have the best rep and that is because of the way he handled that job. Airmiles Andy didn't exactly endear himself. It will be up to the girls to show they are straight and will work hard without making the same errors their father did. I do think someone else could have done just as a good job as they could. Fashion like it or not is always talked about what the Queen wears what Anne wears and rewears and the girls have both had major blunders over the years and many do remember what they wore to William and Katies wedding. So far they are doing well although the shot of Beatrice leaning over in such a low cut dress was of course picked up and shown. Bea will learn from it and next time she won't wear something so low cut. It's funny I'm in Oz and I get that the Civil list is now only the two but it seems many people are still very confused and are constantly saying what leeches everyone is. I don't get that I also don't think they understand what the RF do for the country. It just wouldn't be the same but it does have to change and the RF themselves seem to understand that. I have no idea how it's going to work but I can't see everyone just stopping I think they will need to carry on but it won't be with Beatrice and Eugenie in an official capacity and if they are fine with that so should everyone else. It's also not fair if they are working on careers to stop to do an engagement that takes time away from their real job. It isn't fair on them or the people working with them.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:19 AM
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Beatrice looks stunning in that green dress.
It was a nice dress and she is a good public speaker. However to dress is just too low cut for the setting. Princess Eugenia also looked very nice.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:49 AM
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I think they've both done a fantastic job on behalf of he country. I was interested to hear Beatrice's speech - I've heard interviews with her, but that's the first time I heard her Speak on a public occasion like that. She did well. Lots of nice photos of the event, they both looked lovely, and great publicity for the UK. I'd love to see them get more involved in Royal work - they are still only young, but they are already proving that they can be very good at it!
Congratulations to them both!
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:53 AM
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William may not be the next in line, but he is senior to all other royals in the succession except his father. Why is ok for other, older royals who are past retirement age to continue to carry a heavy workload when he is available to help out. William does seem to be hiding out in Wales and continues to use the RAF as an excuse, sometimes when he has clearly been on holidays instead of carrying out royal duties. (E.g. France instead of Paralympics)

The Queen does not pay for William, Harry and Kate. Princes Charles does from the Duchy of Cornwall.

Kate and William would have been appropriate for this engagement too, but they don't seem interested in doing anything other than a bare minimum. The other available royals probably already have full calenders and as much as I love Anne, I don't think people would have taken her seriously at a engagement promoting fashion after she has said herself that she doesn't follow it at all.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:14 AM
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Why people think Beatrice and Eugenie should be fulltime working members of the RF is a little puzzling. What about Peter and Zara they don't have titles but they have the same Grandmother? The public seem to be telling the RF they want it cut down the Queen and Prince Phillip are now the only 2 on the civil list. The Queen pays for everyone else carrying out their duties why on earth would she want to add another two?
Peter and Zara don't have titles, they have no connection to royal life except their grandmother is The Queen.
The public aren't saying anything about the Civil List and as of 1992 there has only been 2 people on the civil list. You do realise that the money Andrew used to pay for the girls airfare most likely came from money given by his mother, yes? All royal children and grandchildren have money from QEII and TQM.

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It's also not fair if they are working on careers to stop to do an engagement that takes time away from their real job. It isn't fair on them or the people working with them.
William and Henry do that all the time, they use their annual leave to go on holiday as participate in royal engagements. If Beatrice wishes to use her holiday hours to engagements on behalf of GB, then that's her choice.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:16 AM
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Pictures of today's events in Hanover.

Search - Getty Images UK: DEU: Princess Beatrice And Princess Eugenie Of York Visit Hanover During The GREAT Britain MINI Tour#

Also noticed that yesterday's pictures now total 100 on Getty site. Some pictures from last night - taken in the Embassy.
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I read in a German paper that the organisators of the tour approached the British ambassador to Germany and asked if one of the younger Royals could join in. The ambassador contacted Nr. 10 and they asked Buckingham Palace and were told that the princesses would like to come. The organisators were very happy with that answer and it was agreed upon that their father should pay for the costs of travelling (probably being reimbursed by the queen) and thatthe rest of the costs should be met from German sources.

So my impression was that the girls can be invited via official channels if someone believes their presence would help representing Britain in a positive way. I could imagine that for the government this is a test and if they pass it, there are more opportunities to send the girls abroad, as surely they are up to the task.
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Next time they should take an advice from their grandmother and wear brillant colours. As guests of honour they are suppossed to be at center stage and one should see them there.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:31 AM
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William may not be the next in line, but he is senior to all other royals in the succession except his father. Why is ok for other, older royals who are past retirement age to continue to carry a heavy workload when he is available to help out. William does seem to be hiding out in Wales and continues to use the RAF as an excuse, sometimes when he has clearly been on holidays instead of carrying out royal duties. (E.g. France instead of Paralympics)

The Queen does not pay for William, Harry and Kate. Princes Charles does from the Duchy of Cornwall.

Kate and William would have been appropriate for this engagement too, but they don't seem interested in doing anything other than a bare minimum. The other available royals probably already have full calenders and as much as I love Anne, I don't think people would have taken her seriously at a engagement promoting fashion after she has said herself that she doesn't follow it at all.
He is not hiding in Wales - he is on duty - he is a full-time SAR pilot. Whether it is popular or not, that is the deal. The job involves complex shift patterns which means that he gets 3-4 days off duty and he generally uses these for part-time royal duties.

If the Queen didn't like what William was doing, she would step in and change it.

I'd like to see them about more but I paid attention when the ground rules were set - they are still in place and criticising William for doing what he said he was going to do is patently unfair.

Apologies for going off topic.
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Next time they should take an advice from their grandmother and wear brillant colours. As guests of honour they are suppossed to be at center stage and one should see them there.
I'd rather be warm than "bright".
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