What is your opinion about Sarah, Duchess of York? - Page 5

ysbel · #81 09-24-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rominet09

I can't stand her that's all
On a very stupid level she should stop wearing short skirts, her legs are awfull

So you can't stand her because she's stupid or you can't stand her because her legs are awful?

Bella · #82 09-25-2006, 10:00 AM

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I admire her. She thought she was marrying the man she loved and probably wasn't fully aware of what she was getting into when she married into the RF.

Come on, this is such a cop out. First of all, I wonder how In Love she'd have been with Andrew hadn't he been a Prince. Sarah's taste in men seemed to be those older with more adventure than Andrew ever showed. Second, her not knowing what she married into is a joke. Sarah had been surrounded by the royals and traveled in royal circles since she was a child. There are pictures of her as a young girl playing with the Queen's children and neice and nephew. She knew what the royal court was all about. She knew the "rules." She just chose to ignore them. Funny, how Sarah who had close connections w royals from the beginning couldn't cut it and yet Sophie, who had NO royal connections, is able to maintain her role as royal wife and come across as graceful and dignified.

ysbel · #83 09-25-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella

Come on, this is such a cop out. First of all, I wonder how In Love she'd have been with Andrew hadn't he been a Prince.

This is the first time I heard anyone mention that Sarah married Andrew because he was a Prince. Considering how much the two had in common, that's a little hard to believe. Sarah and Andrew seemed to have a lot in common. Both seemed adventurous and kinda naughty. The fact that they are still friends indicates that they still have a lot in common. I don't know of many divorced couples that are that close.

Andrew had a reputation for being the mischievious, boisterous one in the family who didn't behave prim and proper as his older siblings did. A teacher at Gordonstoun said that the teachers thought Andrew would be a scaled down version of Charles who had had a very sedate personality while he went to Gordonstoun. The teachers were in for quite a surprise. Andrew was far more boisterous and a little careless about following the rules. In a nutshell, the teacher said Andrew was a handful while he was at Gordonstoun.

In the military service he was called Randy Andy and dated Koo Stark an actress of somewhat questionable films who proudly wore his dogtags from the Falklands for a photo. Koo's reputation made Sarah seem very tame in fact, Andrew marrying Sarah was a step towards respectability compared to Koo. There was nothing in Andrew's previous life to indicate that he would settle down with someone prim and proper and dignified. He and Sarah with their devil may care attitude and penchant for bending the rules seemed like a perfect match. It wasn't a perfect match for the royal family though.

The Fergusons did seem like freeloaders. I didn't like how her father commissioned her wedding dress and then conveniently waited for her to get married before sending the bill to the royal family. So I think there is a bit of Sarah that thinks its OK to work out a situation where others pay your way but I don't think she latched onto Andrew because he was a Prince. I think they had a lot in common and Princess Diana was playing matchmaker.

Now once she and Andrew were serious, I'm sure she enjoyed all the perks but I don't think that's the main reason she hooked up with him. She seemed to get over the freeloading though because she got herself out of debt and seems to be solvent now.

Bella · #84 09-25-2006, 12:33 PM

With royal love matches I'm always skeptical. I suppose it's the same for anyone who's rich/famous and/or has alot to offer a relationship beyond that of the Average Joe. If it were Charles the ordinary Bank Manager, Andrew the ordinary X-ray Tech or Edward the ordinary farmer no one would be interested in them. So you've got to think, was Sarah in love w Andrew the man or Andrew the prince? Regardless, it does say something that they have handled themselves so well after the divorce.

ysbel · #85 09-25-2006, 01:07 PM

Ah thanks for explaining Bella, I thought something in Sarah's and Andrew's courtship that made you think that way.

Its undoubtable that some people marry for money or prestige and maybe Sarah was thinking that in the back of her head but I think if Andrew had not had the carefree and slightly mischievious personality that he did, the Royal Family would have looked too stuffy and constricting for Sarah.

In the end a Royal life was indeed too restricting for Sarah, but I think she was fooled by Andrew's very sympathetic and fun-loving nature in thinking that life in the royal family would be something other than what it turned out to be.

Tzu An · #86 09-25-2006, 01:15 PM

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Sophie, who had NO royal connections, is able to maintain her role as royal wife and come across as graceful and dignified.

It think it boils down to work ethic, really. Sophie was used to a responsible lifestyle and could understand the need for decency and professionalism. Sarah on the other hand had worked at a helter skelter level and when she married into the royal family she had all these perks and for the first time a job that was solid and (at the time thought) permanent. So she (and Diana admittedly) were experiencing adult responsibilities for the first time. Sadly they screwed up when they shouldn't have and it's cost them a lot more than they bargained for. Lastly, Diana and Fergie were extremely undereducated for their age and as a result I believe never managed to comprehend the stakes and the expectations. Both were grossly unprepared.

**Elspeth** · #87 09-25-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella

Come on, this is such a cop out. First of all, I wonder how In Love she'd have been with Andrew hadn't he been a Prince. Sarah's taste in men seemed to be those older with more adventure than Andrew ever showed. Second, her not knowing what she married into is a joke. Sarah had been surrounded by the royals and traveled in royal circles since she was a child. There are pictures of her as a young girl playing with the Queen's children and neice and nephew. She knew what the royal court was all about. She knew the "rules." She just chose to ignore them. Funny, how Sarah who had close connections w royals from the beginning couldn't cut it and yet Sophie, who had NO royal connections, is able to maintain her role as royal wife and come across as graceful and dignified.

I think it may be somewhat different to have a working knowledge of royal from the outside, as a person whose circles intersect with the royal circles on even a fairly regular basis, and to actually have to live it and experience the discipline oneself. While she'd have known more about the royal lifestyle than you or I might, that might not have been enough to prepare her for a life that's quite as regimented and demanding, especially when she had time to stop and think "this is how it's going to be for the rest of my life now."

Furienna · #88 09-25-2006, 02:25 PM

So you mean the Fergusons knew the royal family before Sarah's marriage to Prince Andrew? I never knew that.

ysbel · #89 09-25-2006, 04:05 PM

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So you mean the Fergusons knew the royal family before Sarah's marriage to Prince Andrew? I never knew that.

I believe Sarah's father was the Queen's polo manager at one time before the marriage.

Jo of Palatine · #90 09-25-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella

If it were Charles the ordinary Bank Manager, Andrew the ordinary X-ray Tech or Edward the ordinary farmer no one would be interested in them.

Are you really saying that ordinary people don't find mates for marriage? Wonder where all these married couples come from, then...

Skydragon · #91 09-25-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ysbel

I believe Sarah's father was the Queen's polo manager at one time before the marriage.

Almost, he was Charles' honorary polo manager.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2573787.stm

Skydragon · #92 09-25-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tzu An

It think it boils down to work ethic, really. Sophie was used to a responsible lifestyle and could understand the need for decency and professionalism.

You seem to have forgotten the 'scandal' that Sophie was caught out with - the fake sheik.

Furienna · #93 09-25-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Are you really saying that ordinary people don't find mates for marriage? Wonder where all these married couples come from, then...

Oh yeah, I thought that was a weird post too. Of course ordinary guys find wives too. Ordinary people get married all the time. Not only princes and princesses get married.

**Elspeth** · #94 09-25-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna

So you mean the Fergusons knew the royal family before Sarah's marriage to Prince Andrew? I never knew that.

Yes, they were acquainted; one of the photos that showed up in a lot of places when the engagement was announced was a photo of the Queen and possibly Major Ferguson, along with his two girls and Prince Andrew when they were aged around 10, give or take.

Major Ferguson was in the Life Guards and was one of the soldiers who rode near the Queen's carriage during parades.

Lady Marmalade · #95 09-25-2006, 04:54 PM

I think she has done an excellent job at repairing her image and has shown a tremendous amount of courage to own up to her mistakes. She is a great mother with two well-adjusted daughters, a strong work ethic (but she had to learn that the hard way), and is not afraid to admit mistakes. She and Prince Andrew have shown a united front in raising their daughters equally.

I certainly believe she was in total love with him. My God, it was so blatantly obvious, no amateur can act like that. They were 10000% in love with each other.

Princess BellyFlop · #96 09-25-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

She is .......not afraid to admit mistakes.

Well she DOES have a lot of practice.

Bella · #97 09-25-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Are you really saying that ordinary people don't find mates for marriage? Wonder where all these married couples come from, then...

That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that what woman wouldn't want to marry a Prince and that women (commoners) that do end up marrying them might not be marrying the Man but the Prince and all that entails. Let's just say Sarah met Andrew somewhere and didn't know he was a prince she might think he was a nice guy, etc. but might wave him off. However, I hardly doubt she'd wave him off if she found out he was a Prince. Let's face it, ALOT of people are like that.

Roslyn · #98 09-25-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella

That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that what woman wouldn't want to marry a Prince and that women (commoners) that do end up marrying them might not be marrying the Man but the Prince and all that entails. Let's just say Sarah met Andrew somewhere and didn't know he was a prince she might think he was a nice guy, etc. but might wave him off. However, I hardly doubt she'd wave him off if she found out he was a Prince. Let's face it, ALOT of people are like that.

I doubt Sarah would have waved Andrew off no matter who he was. They get on like a house on fire and Andrew was, and still is, rather good looking.

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to get to know a prince if he ends up at your table. After all, if you are at the same place at the same time you must have something in common and it's perfectly natural for a woman to be interested in a prominent and well heeled male who could provide a good home for her and their offspring. I'd only consider it wrong to encourage the relationship primarily because he is a prince, because you like the idea of being a princess. Again, I don't think this happened in Sarah's case.