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Old 02-28-2015, 04:52 PM
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I agree with everything hernameispekka has been saying on this. This is an area of serious personal belief, almost akin to religion, to go by this thread. It seems to swing back and forth each generation.

My mother and I spoke of this when I was young. It's possible her views were colored by her own experience, but I also suspect it had something to do with our European roots. She was a great advocate of learning from an experienced lover, and counseled me accordingly. How I interpreted 'experienced' was up to me, but she had some guidelines.

All in all, it has worked out well for me, and I see no problem with my daughter seeking out experience (when the time comes) from someone gentle and adept. It makes all the difference. It also ensures that marriage doesn't take place solely in a sexual 'heat'. It's important to be able to distinguish the differences between lust, desire and love, I think.

Anyway, something of a thread-nap. Forcing and sexual enslavement are crimes and rightly so. The age at which one voluntarily seeks a partner and the age of that freely chosen partner are other matters, clearly rooted in a larger view of what one considers 'right' and 'seemly'.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:08 PM
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I find this personal attack somewhat confusing. Whether or not I have had a 17 year old is absolutely irrelevant to hernameispekka's post and my reply.Okay, firstly . . . ouch! If 40 is an "old fart" then I must be knocking on heaven's doors.

Pointing out the realities of your life experience with peers and perhaps even friends, is a reality check. Uncomfortable but it is what it is.
Sorry Marg - I apologize for the personal attack, which I did not mean.

I do think it helps to spend a great deal of time with 17 year olds to understand their make-up. although this is not to discredit the opinions of those who have not.
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Old 02-28-2015, 06:54 PM
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And now this from the DM - the same old allegations that Charles and Andrew are like chalk and cheese. Read if you like, not much new/proven here.
What IS the problem with the Princes? Charles won't give Andrew a birthday card, a party invite - or a place on the balcony | Daily Mail Online
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Old 02-28-2015, 07:17 PM
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This has been clear for ages. Charles and Andrew are different people with different interests. I can't think of one thing, other than skiing, which Charles no longer does, that these two have in common. Andrew is the least 'countrified' of the siblings, is rarely if ever seen riding, enjoys golf (Charles doesn't), etc.


Charles would also have a degree of jealousy when there are report of 'favourites' within the royal family - Andrew is the Queen's 'favourite', Anne is Philip's and Edward is the joint favourite. You never read that Charles is the favourite of either parent. More and more it is said that The Queen and Philip dislike Charles' expensive ways such as the size of his household etc.


It isn't unusual for siblings to grow apart and given the 11+ year age difference (Charles November 1948 to Andrew in February 1960) it isn't a surprise. Charles was away at boarding school when he was born, saw both Andrew and Edward have a more relaxed upbringing than he had had such as being allowed to play in The Queen's study while she was doing the boxes in the mornings.


IF Charles really does want to have a 'smaller' royal family then it has to start with Andrew as he is the most senior royal after his own descendants and that is another reason why it would seem that Andrew feels this more closely than say Edward who is further away from the centre of things.


As for the comment, so often put about, that Charles decided to stop his siblings being on the balcony after Philip took ill at the Jubilee, the timing needs to be noted:


In March it was announced that Andrew etc wouldn't be on the balcony - whether it was at Charles' urging I don't know but it wasn't a decision that was made after Philip took ill but a decision that had been made three months earlier.
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:05 PM
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I too remember the announcement that only smaller direct line be on balcony months prior to Philip getting sick. I am sure the Queen had quite a lot to do with this decision. It really is getting too crowded with all the queen's children, their spouses and all the young ones up on that balcony. The smaller group looks more dignified and less like a mob scene. All eyes should have be just on the queen and her husband. No one else did anything to deserve being there at that 60 year moment except to be born and that wasn't their doing. Don't even need the wives of children outdoing themselves in their clothes. It was the Queen's Jubilee. She and her husband's day. Rest of the family just a side-note on that one special day. JMHO
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:41 PM
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According to this article in the Mirror, the BBC are thinking about doing their own bit of research into the matter. I'm presume as things stand there is no way Andrew could be persuaded to take part in it.
I'm no expert but wouldn't there be a lot of constraints because of the ongoing civil cases in the US?

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BBC planning Panorama probe on Prince Andrew's US sex scandal - Mirror Online
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:44 PM
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According to this article in the Mirror, the BBC are thinking about doing their own bit of research into the matter. I'm presume as things stand there is no way Andrew could be persuaded to take part in it.
I'm no expert but wouldn't there be a lot of constraints because of the ongoing civil cases in the US?
Since he's not involved in that civil case, there are no constraints on him. But why on gods earth would he cooperate with a tv network?
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I didn't get my point across great. I was wondering legally from the BBC's point of view would they have to be very careful how they go about things?
I can't see Andrew ever giving a detailed interview about the accusations.
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Old 02-28-2015, 10:30 PM
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I didn't get my point across great. I was wondering legally from the BBC's point of view would they have to be very careful how they go about things?
I can't see Andrew ever giving a detailed interview about the accusations.
I know in Britain that there are a lot of constraints, comments sections closed etc, but I don't think there are any constraints in the U.S. God knows we have legal pundits on 24 hour news networks going on and on about every single case.
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Old 02-28-2015, 11:09 PM
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And now this from the DM - the same old allegations that Charles and Andrew are like chalk and cheese. Read if you like, not much new/proven here.
What IS the problem with the Princes? Charles won't give Andrew a birthday card, a party invite - or a place on the balcony | Daily Mail Online
Charles' ME ME ME outlook on life is shinning bright as ever. Although, in this instance, I do not blame him.
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Old 02-28-2015, 11:24 PM
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Charles' ME ME ME outlook on life is shinning bright as ever. Although, in this instance, I do not blame him.
If this is true, Andrew had better pray nightly for the Queen's longevity.

It's not the first time I have read of the Queen's devotion to Andrew, to the point where she lacks objectivity. But what if the allegations are either proven true or more comes out making them more likely true? What then? Would the Palace spin doctors suggest age is a factor if she becomes illogical in her support of Andy?
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Old 02-28-2015, 11:37 PM
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If this is true, Andrew had better pray nightly for the Queen's longevity.

It's not the first time I have read of the Queen's devotion to Andrew, to the point where she lacks objectivity. But what if the allegations are either proven true or more comes out making them more likely true? What then? Would the Palace spin doctors suggest age is a factor if she becomes illogical in her support of Andy?
Mm...I think her survival mode will be stronger. I would expect her to support him privately only and all would be well where she is concerned.
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Old 02-28-2015, 11:54 PM
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And now this from the DM - the same old allegations that Charles and Andrew are like chalk and cheese. Read if you like, not much new/proven here.
What IS the problem with the Princes? Charles won't give Andrew a birthday card, a party invite - or a place on the balcony | Daily Mail Online
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Behind the partly closed gilt doors of the grand dining room at Buckingham Palace, the Prince of Wales was holding court with his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall. The celebration to mark his 66th birthday was in full swing, with the couple’s closest friends charging their crystal glasses to toast the Prince.
Why would anyone believe this DM story?

According to most people, the BRF only celebrates major birthdays.

Why would Charles have a birthday party at Buckingham Palace rather than at Clarence House, St. James' Palace or Highgrove?

Was there any mention in the papers last year of Charles having a birthday party at Buckingham Palace? I do not recall any.

IMO, if the Queen wanted to have Sophie and Edward on the balcony nothing would have stopped her not even Charles.
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"Why would anyone believe this DM story?" Why indeed. It is not as though it is the most reliable rag in the western world, nor even the UK, not even London. It relies on the credulity of readers when the only thing it has to recommend it is the best photos around.

As to the birthday bash, hello . . . Clarence House!

As to the BP balcony? I firmly believe that our dearly beloved Queen has a firmly established right of veto. I believe it was a special occasion related to the monarchy itself and on that occasion HM Queen Elizabeth gave them it's future.

Come her next birthday, the gang was all there.
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Old 03-01-2015, 07:10 AM
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This sort of story has appeared in many publications however for years so it isn't just the DM but The Telegraph has run similar stories as well.
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I think most people will agree that many newspaper stories are speculative and a re-hash man of the sentiments previously published - and indeed discussed. Time to move on back to the topic, which relates directly to The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy and not the relationship between members of the British Royal Family.
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When the new King Willem-Alexander came on the balcony, he was shared with his spouse and his children.

When the new King Philippe came on the balcony, he was shared with his spouse and his children.

When the new King Felipe VI came on the balcony, he was shared with his spouse and his children.

When the new King Charles III comes on the balcony, he will be shared by his spouse and his children (and their partners).

Completely logical and understandable: a new chapter is starting, a new look on the monarchy. Only the Brits can make such a hullabaloo about something as who-is-standing-on-the-balcony-and-who-is-not-and-what-does-that-mean-and-has-Andrew-fallen-in-disgrace-because-of-Epstein-?

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If this is true, Andrew had better pray nightly for the Queen's longevity.

It's not the first time I have read of the Queen's devotion to Andrew, to the point where she lacks objectivity. But what if the allegations are either proven true or more comes out making them more likely true? What then? Would the Palace spin doctors suggest age is a factor if she becomes illogical in her support of Andy?
I've always wanted to ask someone that knows both Charles and Andrew, who they prefer to be with (say stuck in a room waiting for a plane that's going to be an hour late) and why? It's off topic, but I imagine it would be a tough choice. JMO. Edward - come save me! Anne, lets talk horses!
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IMO, if the Queen wanted to have Sophie and Edward on the balcony nothing would have stopped her not even Charles.

I'm not sure...it's been said that the Queen leaves more and more decisions to Charles. Age takes its toll on everyone; perhaps she simply doesn't wish to enter into conflict on matters that really aren't that important.
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It is possible that the Queen simply agrees with Charles' view on a slimmer monarchy but leaves it to him to change when he is in charge.
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