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Old 01-23-2015, 11:39 AM
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Maybe you should read through this thread, including the posts with links to actual statutes. This is not about the age of consent, which is 17 or 16 in most U.S. states. It's the trafficking of people across state lines for the purposes of prostitution.

Or perhaps, as you suggest, Andy's fault is seeking young and nubile flesh in backward America (allegedly). He could have put an ad out in The Times asking for a 17-year-old volunteer and I suppose nobody would have batted an eye. It's legal, after all.
By my best knowledge the lady in question actually alleges she was forced by financier Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with "a major prince" which she knew as "Andy". The painpoint here towards the Prince was not human trafficking or prostitution but alleged "sexual misconducts" with an underaged person. In all those 15/16 years the lady in question said nothing but now suddenly pops up with naming "a major prince".

As if a British Prince could engage in an 11-person orgy in the United States without the fellow participants, the UK and US security, the staff and others knowing (and if they knew, remaining lips sealed). Claims made by the lady's father that his daughter has met the Queen, as she once proudly told him, have already shown her unreliability as a check of the records of Buckingham Palace would disclose any visit. Buckingham Palace already said it had no records of any such meeting.

Claims that President Clinton would have been guest at Jeffrey Epstein’s private island can been checked with Secret Service records and expose whether the lady spoke the truth or not. In the meantime it seems that the former president had never set foot the tiny isle of Little Saint James, which is located in the US Virgin Islands.

We will see how it turns out. The Duke of York has the right to be considered not guilty to the alleged "sexual misconduct" 15/16 years ago until proven.
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Old 01-23-2015, 11:41 AM
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Legal or not...
Age of consent or not...
USA or UK...
Free for all sex and orgies with anybody is not what the son of a queen should be doing or even vaguely be mentioned to be part of.
For goodness sake, he is a Prince of the Blood and has behaved like a boor and spoilt brat before, and for bringing the royal family to this new low point is unacceptable.
The pain he must have caused his mother, again and again, is just unforgivable.
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Old 01-23-2015, 11:57 AM
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He is single and therefor can have sex with whom ever he wants as long as he does it in private and doesn't force anyone. That said... I still think he's an idiot but that has more to do with his friendship with this man when he should have known better.

And I'm not sure I believe her.
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Old 01-23-2015, 11:57 AM
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Legal or not...
Age of consent or not...
USA or UK...
Free for all sex and orgies with anybody is not what the son of a queen should be doing or even vaguely be mentioned to be part of.
For goodness sake, he is a Prince of the Blood and has behaved like a boor and spoilt brat before, and for bringing the royal family to this new low point is unacceptable.
The pain he must have caused his mother, again and again, is just unforgivable.
Why not? He is an unmarried man and he enjoys the same rights as every other British citizen. He is a member of the royal family. Not of the Holy Family. And I see that you have already jumped to conclusions: he has engaged in an orgy, he has brought the royal family to a new low point and he has caused "unforgiveable" pain to his mother... Well, well... You are acting like the screaming crowds on a ye olde autodafé: "Hang 'em high!"
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Old 01-23-2015, 12:00 PM
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This Andrew bashing has hit an all time low. If anything, the only thing he is guilty of is choosing the wrong friends.



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Old 01-23-2015, 01:21 PM
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What's the point of Prince Andrew, and what exactly does he do?-
What's the point of Prince Andrew, and what exactly does he do? - CNN.com
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Old 01-23-2015, 01:39 PM
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By my best knowledge the lady in question actually alleges she was forced by financier Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with "a major prince" which she knew as "Andy". The painpoint here towards the Prince was not human trafficking or prostitution but alleged "sexual misconducts" with an underaged person. In all those 15/16 years the lady in question said nothing but now suddenly pops up with naming "a major prince".

As if a British Prince could engage in an 11-person orgy in the United States without the fellow participants, the UK and US security, the staff and others knowing (and if they knew, remaining lips sealed). Claims made by the lady's father that his daughter has met the Queen, as she once proudly told him, have already shown her unreliability as a check of the records of Buckingham Palace would disclose any visit. Buckingham Palace already said it had no records of any such meeting.

Claims that President Clinton would have been guest at Jeffrey Epstein’s private island can been checked with Secret Service records and expose whether the lady spoke the truth or not. In the meantime it seems that the former president had never set foot the tiny isle of Little Saint James, which is located in the US Virgin Islands.

We will see how it turns out. The Duke of York has the right to be considered not guilty to the alleged "sexual misconduct" 15/16 years ago until proven.
The flights logs have already shown that she was in the same place at the same time as Andrew, as she claims

No matter how the press is reporting it, the crime here is trafficking

As for the father, why believe him.. he allowed his daughter to be picked up by Epstein in the first place and flown all over the world. I wouldn't trust a word out of his mouth, including what he alleges his daughter told him.
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Old 01-23-2015, 03:14 PM
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Mr Epstein has served his term in jail and that means he is a free man. Being seen with him is not better or worse than being seen with Gadaffi, Mubarak or Ceaucescu, whom all were received with the highest honours by Her Majesty and a fleet of politicians, businessmen and prominents.
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:08 PM
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One person keeps cropping up in these posts and I'm wondering if by chance we're just not seeing a connection. Ghislaine Maxwell. My memory sure isn't what it used to be but I would bet my last cheesecake that I've heard her name linked with Andrew way before the latest Jane Doe controversy. The connection struck with the report that Roberts was asked to bear a child for Epstein and Maxwell. Logic tells me that Maxwell is a mutual connection between Epstein and Andrew.

I'm wondering if by chance Maxwell was also present at the times of Andrew's visits to these supposed parties and orgies. Could it be that Andrew was there but in the company of Maxwell? She's probably could clear up a lot of these accusations but no one has even mentioned talking to her. In all possibilities, she could even turn out to the Epstein's "madam" to these girls.

Ok.. just thoughts. Time to drink more coffee.
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:19 PM
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If you read back though the articles you will see she got the girls for Epstein trained them etc she is the other person in the photo


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Old 01-23-2015, 04:24 PM
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^^^ Plus she is a personal friend of Prince Andrew who the tabloids once linked romantically

Read up on her father Robert Maxwell. Andrew sure knows how to pick 'em haha
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:33 PM
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She was reportedly introduced to Andrew by Sarah, his ex -wife.
Here's an interesting summary.
Ghislaine Maxwell: The woman at the centre of the Prince Andrew scandal | Royal | News | Daily Express
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Old 01-23-2015, 05:06 PM
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Mr Epstein has served his term in jail and that means he is a free man. Being seen with him is not better or worse than being seen with Gadaffi, Mubarak or Ceaucescu, whom all were received with the highest honours by Her Majesty and a fleet of politicians, businessmen and prominents.
You're actually making this worse for Andrew.

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One person keeps cropping up in these posts and I'm wondering if by chance we're just not seeing a connection. Ghislaine Maxwell. My memory sure isn't what it used to be but I would bet my last cheesecake that I've heard her name linked with Andrew way before the latest Jane Doe controversy. The connection struck with the report that Roberts was asked to bear a child for Epstein and Maxwell. Logic tells me that Maxwell is a mutual connection between Epstein and Andrew.

I'm wondering if by chance Maxwell was also present at the times of Andrew's visits to these supposed parties and orgies. Could it be that Andrew was there but in the company of Maxwell? She's probably could clear up a lot of these accusations but no one has even mentioned talking to her. In all possibilities, she could even turn out to the Epstein's "madam" to these girls.

Ok.. just thoughts. Time to drink more coffee.
I need some caffeine myself.. good idea.

Maxwell is the last person Andrew or anybody else wants speaking right now. I'd love to hear from her, however.
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You might not care for that type of movie but Koo Stark did not make a porn movie. What was considered soft core in the 80's is the norm these days?

who was the 2nd girlfriend?

Wasn't it Angie Everhart?
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Wasn't it Angie Everhart?
If that is who they are alluding to...she like Koo Stark is also not a porn star.
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:02 PM
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What's the point of Prince Andrew, and what exactly does he do?-
What's the point of Prince Andrew, and what exactly does he do? - CNN.com
Thanks for posting this.... it is a balanced report on what he does to contribute to society, instead of merely reporting the "scandal"

Like this para in reference to current situation

It may be wiser for the media to show a measure of fairness and restraint when reporting allegations that are -- no matter how salacious and good copy -- after all just that, allegations.

Lots of people, posters and bloggers should think on this as well. I've seen comments on social media that are appalling

I dont agree with the last paragraph because the rest of the piece makes clear it isnt necessary.
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:20 PM
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^^^ Unfortunately for Andrew the real world doesn't always work that way. One of the reasons this story is sticking around is its not Andrews first scandal. He's been down this road before.

The other thing politicians and government officials (I'll include Andrew) are normally held to different standards than say a private citizen. How many times do we read about a politician being sacked simply over even the hint of scandal. Doesn't matter guilt or innocence.

If they become a source of distraction they get fired for the sake of the team but in Andrew's case he has nothing to worry about because his mother is his boss and nothing short of a jail sentence will keep him from being a royal.

Its one of the downsides of having unelected and unaccountable people in such powerful positions
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:54 PM
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The Duke of York can turn this situation around by standing up for himself and setting the record straight. If he's found guilty of anything, well he would have to suffer the consequences, but if he did nothing wrong, I would suggest he come clean and fight the allegations.

I just think when ones reputation is on the line and you did nothing wrong, one should come out fighting like a wildcat.

I said the same thing about Bill Cosby, but since he's allowed the allegations against him affect his career in a negative way, it made me think he actually did something wrong to those ladies. If you're innocent, you stand up and shout your innocence to the world and fight.
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But he hasn't been charged with anything; he is only a witness. He's in a darn awkward situation in light of the sworn evidence of Ms Roberts and he feels the need to deny that he did what she swears he did, but he is still, nevertheless, just a witness, not a defendant.
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The problem for Andrew is that he actually hasn't been charged with any crime and the legal proceedings aren't against him personally so he doesn't have a legal forum in which to take action at the moment. He isn't a defendant.
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