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Old 01-04-2015, 04:10 PM
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There could be pictures. I was thinking about that last night.
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Old 01-04-2015, 04:12 PM
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Aha Thank you Wyevale. There it just goes to show we can't believe everything the press tells us. So that makes it difficult to believe anything any of them say now as most have a bias and an agenda of their own.
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Old 01-04-2015, 04:34 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was pictures. That's common in criminal groups to have implicating evidence on one another, it helps guarantee loyalty and silence. It becomes a pact of sorts.
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Old 01-04-2015, 04:38 PM
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I have a lot of experience and no way in hell would I be friends with a convicted sex offender . Some of those girls were 13 or 14 Really some people can't see a royal do any wrong.


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Good for you rob, but what you woukd or wouldn't do does not mean Andrew is guilty of anything. Just because he remained friends with him doesn't mean he condones or shares Epsteins depravity.
I'm glad to see some on here defending the innocent until proven guilty notion. Unfortunately this seems to have disappeared altogether in the last decades. If someone says something 1000000 people will believe it's true.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:03 PM
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Yes, I agree. The tabloids do that. They make the headline as sensational as possible, even if they are misleading.

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I've been reluctant to post in this thread but I must say, confound the DM for putting those [reminiscent] words in quotes in the headline when apparently they are not what was said. Confound them!
I think it's entirely believable that someone in Epstein's circles might believe a denial like that. People like Epstein are often quite charming and believable.

Re the photo: to me, it doesn't look like a photo between a man and a girl he'd been intimate with. To me, it looks like a man posing for a picture for the sake of politeness. If anything, he looks a bit tense.

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Perhaps PA doesn't believe he did it, but just copped a plea to make it all go away.

Why ever would Andrew allow a smiling, posed photo of himself to be made with a young girl that he had touched inappropriately? That is one of the many reasons I don't believe the girl.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:28 PM
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If its true he should be stripped of his title and removed from succession. Totally cut off.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:37 PM
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More possible for me to believe that Prince Andrew was just a high profile person taking a photo with a "fan" so to speak more than anything else. High profile people do it all the time.
And where did he think this fan came from? If I was there I would have asked Epstein who she was, anyone would have unless they knew already that she was there for the unsavoury purpose that she was. Epstein was addicted to sex with young girls and as a close friend of his I find it impossible to believe that PA wouldn't have known that he was at least strongly interested in them. This Babes in the Wood attitude that some people attribute to PA is absurd and doesn't reflect the fact that even if he was naive and unsuspecting at the time he stood by his depraved pal after he had served time in jail and that is something that he can't wriggle out of. I feel so sorry for the Queen, she is almost 90 years old and must be weary with the troubles that her favourite son and his ex-wife keep bringing to her door.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:47 PM
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And where did he think this fan came from? If I was there I would have asked Epstein who she was, anyone would have unless they knew already that she was there for the unsavoury purpose that she was. Epstein was addicted to sex with young girls and as a close friend of his I find it impossible to believe that PA wouldn't have known that he was at least strongly interested in them. This Babes in the Wood attitude that some people attribute to PA is absurd and doesn't reflect the fact that even if he was naive and unsuspecting at the time he stood by his depraved pal after he had served time in jail and that is something that he can't wriggle out of. I feel so sorry for the Queen, she is almost 90 years old and must be weary with the troubles that her favourite son and his ex-wife keep bringing to her door.
His ex-wife haven't done anything wrong lately.
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Old 01-04-2015, 06:09 PM
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His ex-wife haven't done anything wrong lately.
I meant that they seem to take it in turns to cause scandal and when they do it's always MAJOR scandal. Sarah was a friend of Epstein as well and it seems to be commonplace for them to be caught up in each others misdeeds.
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Old 01-04-2015, 06:11 PM
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Yeah this apparently damning picture just looks like a famous person taking a picture with a fan, it proves nothing except he met her and took a picture. The one thing I want to know more a outare thee allegations that he lobbied for a lenient sentence for this guy.
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Old 01-04-2015, 06:27 PM
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Friends do NOT have to have the all the same interests and values - some may be the same but not all. In fact there is a very old saying - opposite attracts. Two of my best friends and I have very little in common - they love movies, live theatre, dinner parties, while I love live sports, swimming and reading but we enjoy each others company because of our differences. We do have a common religious belief and that brings us together but my point is that not all our interests are the same - only some and that could also be the case with Andrew and Jeffrey - some similar interests but not all.


I know some people just love to believe the worst in people and so are going to condemn Andrew regardless of facts or statements or anything else.


Others will have a more open mind and await further proof before condemning him.


Personally I was raised to believe in 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' but that standard isn't being applied to Andrew - probably because it is Andrew.
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Old 01-04-2015, 06:29 PM
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Yeah this apparently damning picture just looks like a famous person taking a picture with a fan, it proves nothing except he met her and took a picture. The one thing I want to know more a outare thee allegations that he lobbied for a lenient sentence for this guy.
But as I said, why wouldn't he have asked his host who this random young girl was and why she was there? This wasn't a girl bumping into him in the street she was in that woman Maxwell's flat with them all. I don't get introduced to many people without the host telling me who they are, nor does anyone.
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Old 01-04-2015, 06:36 PM
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Friends do NOT have to have the all the same interests and values - some may be the same but not all. In fact there is a very old saying - opposite attracts. Two of my best friends and I have very little in common - they love movies, live theatre, dinner parties, while I love live sports, swimming and reading but we enjoy each others company because of our differences. We do have a common religious belief and that brings us together but my point is that not all our interests are the same - only some and that could also be the case with Andrew and Jeffrey - some similar interests but not all.


I know some people just love to believe the worst in people and so are going to condemn Andrew regardless of facts or statements or anything else.


Others will have a more open mind and await further proof before condemning hi

Personally I was raised to believe in 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' but that standard isn't

being applied to Andrew - probably because it is Andrew.
He's guilty of, at least, remaining friends with a man who raped children for that is what the law recognises sex with underage girls to be. That IS proven and that alone is enough to call the man a disgrace in most peoples opinion.
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Old 01-04-2015, 07:09 PM
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Epstein could very easily have introduced her a helper of some sort in his household. I DO understand what the law says, HOWEVER, the girls apparently were not attempting to get away, flee, run away from the situation. Let's call a spade a spade here, these were most likely young girls who thought they were having a roaring great time flying on jets and going to THE Caribbean to palatial homes and even to London. Having said that DOES NOT mean I condone any of this but just because the law says that underage sexual relations is rape we all know that it can be completely consensual. Has anyone tried to bring the parents of any of these girls up for some kind of charges? It seems to me that they might be as liable on prostitution charges ..... THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I CONDONE EPSTEIN .....
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:01 PM
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Hopefully he didn't do anything with this person.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:07 PM
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If Andrew had sex with my daughter when she was under age he should be prosecuted, says father of Virginia Roberts | Daily Mail Online

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Sky Roberts, 58, also claimed his daughter Virginia had been introduced to the Queen while visiting London with billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Mr Roberts added: ‘Virginia told me a few years back that she met Prince Andrew when she went to London and she also said while they were there she met the Queen … [Virginia] had been flown to London by Jeffrey. He would fly her all over the world and she would give him massages on his private jet.’

The claim of a meeting with the Queen has not been made by Miss Roberts herself. A Palace spokesman said: ‘There is nothing to suggest that this claim is true. We have no record of such a meeting.’
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:14 PM
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But as I said, why wouldn't he have asked his host who this random young girl was and why she was there? This wasn't a girl bumping into him in the street she was in that woman Maxwell's flat with them all. I don't get introduced to many people without the host telling me who they are, nor does anyone.


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Andrew: Hello how r u? You want a picture? First what's your name, how old are you, are you a prostitute, are you being held against your will? I need to know all this beforr I tale a picture with a stranger.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:24 PM
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I know little or nothing about this case. I do know from the things I have read here, he is guilty of poor judgment. He chooses strange friends and may have or not have sex with a girl whom he did not know was underage or any other restrictions. That he continued his friendship with this man is really amazing. I am sure, whatever else he did with lobbied attempts, etc., will be duly buried.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:55 PM
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And where did he think this fan came from? If I was there I would have asked Epstein who she was, anyone would have unless they knew already that she was there for the unsavoury purpose that she was. Epstein was addicted to sex with young girls and as a close friend of his I find it impossible to believe that PA wouldn't have known that he was at least strongly interested in them. This Babes in the Wood attitude that some people attribute to PA is absurd and doesn't reflect the fact that even if he was naive and unsuspecting at the time he stood by his depraved pal after he had served time in jail and that is something that he can't wriggle out of. I feel so sorry for the Queen, she is almost 90 years old and must be weary with the troubles that her favourite son and his ex-wife keep bringing to her door.

Speaking as someone who works in US politics with high profile people, I can tell you it's very unlikely for one to ask who a person "fan" is while in public or prior to taking a photo.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:56 PM
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Oh yeah

Andrew: Hello how r u? You want a picture? First what's your name, how old are you, are you a prostitute, are you being held against your will? I need to know all this beforr I tale a picture with a stranger.

Thank you. It just doesn't happen that way usually and anyone is thinks otherwise is naive and fooling themselves.
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