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Old 01-03-2015, 09:27 AM
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There is so much to consider here. It's possible the full truth may never come out. If Andrew did get involved with those girls what age did he believe they were at the time? What does she mean when she says she was forced into ....
Was she forced into a room alone with Andrew? Could she not leave it?
As people have been saying innocent until proven guilty, but Andrew must have had some idea of Epstein's lifestyle, and obviously didn't disapprove enough to at least cut ties with him. We will have to see how the story unfolds, but it will be interesting to see if Andrew leaves everything in the hands of his legal and PR people, or takes a more direct approach.

I wonder how all this will effect the Yorks relationship, both Andrew's and Sarah's, and Andrew's and his daughters? Will they put on a united, public front or lie low? If Sarah doesn't show some bit of support will it look worse for Andrew? Will their support mean alot to him?
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:40 AM
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Andrew have a very supportive family. Sarah and the girls will always be there for him. The Queen & Prince Philip will not abandon their child and the rest of the royal family will support Andrew too. The royal family simply carry on.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:48 AM
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Prince Andrew told to fight sex slave allegations "with every ounce" by co-accused | Royal | News | Daily Express
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PRINCE Andrew is being urged to fight back with “every ounce of energy” against allegations he used a minor as a sex slave.

Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, who has also been accused of abusing a teenage girl, made the powerful statement as he denied the claims revealed in US court papers yesterday.

The woman claims between 1999 and 2002 she was repeatedly sexually abused by paedophile billionaire investment banker Jeffrey Epstein, who then loaned her to influential men around the globe.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:03 AM
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The British Royals Message Board: Re: BBC: Prince Andrew named in US child sex lawsuit


The above is a link (I hope) to a very good article posted over on The British Royals Message board. I think it is worth a read. I believe these lawyers in the case may have picked on the wrong fellow lawyer.


Alan Dershowitz has also been named. According to quotes from an interview on the subject, he can prove he was not at any of the locations except one and that time he was there with his family. He is going to start disbarment proceedings against the two lawyers representing JD3 on the basis that they did not do any fact checking before naming names.


Mr Dershowitz is a VERY prominent criminal attorney and law professor in the United States.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:36 AM
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If these allegations aren't true then I hope Andrew counter sues, not only for himself but mostly for his daughters who haven't done anything wrong but have been ridiculed for years because of their parents.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:50 AM
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BBC News - Prince Andrew sex claims woman 'should not be believed'

BBC Radio 4 - Today, 03/01/2015, Alan Dershowitz: I have never been alone with any women and Prince Andrew
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:52 AM
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Prince Andrew 'lobbied the US government to go easy on Jeffrey Epstein' | Daily Mail Online
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A Buckingham Palace spokesman has denied claims Prince Andrew lobbied the US government against the prosecution of his long-term friend Jeffrey Epstein - the US billionaire paedophile.

The allegation comes as court papers emerged which also sensationally claim the royal abused an underage girl at an orgy where she was being used as a 'sex slave'.

Epstein was one of the best-connected men in America until he was jailed for 13 months in 2008 for soliciting girls for underage prostitution.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:15 PM
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I suspect we are going to have a slow drip of 'new revelations' over the next few weeks which will keep adding pressure on Andrew and The Royal Family.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:22 PM
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I suspect we are going to have a slow drip of 'new revelations' over the next few weeks which will keep adding pressure on Andrew and The Royal Family.
I'm guessing so as well. It's not the way they would've wanted to kick off 2015.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:32 PM
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The British Royals Message Board: Re: BBC: Prince Andrew named in US child sex lawsuit


The above is a link (I hope) to a very good article posted over on The British Royals Message board. I think it is worth a read. I believe these lawyers in the case may have picked on the wrong fellow lawyer.


Alan Dershowitz has also been named. According to quotes from an interview on the subject, he can prove he was not at any of the locations except one and that time he was there with his family. He is going to start disbarment proceedings against the two lawyers representing JD3 on the basis that they did not do any fact checking before naming names.


Mr Dershowitz is a VERY prominent criminal attorney and law professor in the United States.
ICAM with everything you said. My mouth dropped when I saw his name. His response is no surprise- come out strong and swinging. And my gut response is that he can prove exactly what he says he can.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:37 PM
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I can't get my mind around the fact Andrew remained friends with this guy after he was released from prison on sex charges
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:58 PM
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I can't get my mind around the fact Andrew remained friends with this guy after he was released from prison on sex charges
He's not fussy about the company he keeps. Epstein was at a shooting weekend at Sandringham at least once and some dodgy Kazak woman was in the Royal box with him at Ascot recently. I don't think you have to be a genius to see that he's obviously getting something back from some very rich people in exchange for them getting close access to the Royals. Fergie got caught organising this sort of thing but I noticed it about the two of them long before that. A Kazakhstani billionaire even bought the house in Sunningdale that Andrew had struggled to sell for way over the asking price and has since left the house to rot, who does that unless they are looking for something big in return? He and his ex-wife are a disgrace.
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:02 PM
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:07 PM
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I can't get my mind around the fact Andrew remained friends with this guy after he was released from prison on sex charges
This is the material point here, IMO.

Look - regarding the sexual allegations against Andrew himself - a he said, she said. If true they are the most damning of all, by far, but I believe it's not what will damn him in the end.

You have a senior member of the royal family, second son of the Queen, who associated with the man AFTER he was released from prison. This just defies belief to me.

Also, earlier versions of the very same DM article had buried within it what I think it the BRF's biggest problem here - allegedly there is written evidence of Andrew's appeal to federal prosecutors for more lenient treatment for a man accused of sexual abuse and sex slavery of underage girls. This just blows my mind away. What colossally bad judgment on his part! This, IMO, is what will damn him.

Look at the denial from BP - categorically denying only the allegations of Andrew's participation in sex with underage girls. As far as I can see from reading here- no denial that he continued to associate with him after he was released, or reached out to federal prosecutors - which also to me has some serious international relations issues (if true). The British get all in uproar when Charles sticks his nose in architecture review. How will they see this?
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:13 PM
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Andrew have a very supportive family. Sarah and the girls will always be there for him. The Queen & Prince Philip will not abandon their child and the rest of the royal family will support Andrew too. The royal family simply carry on.
As far as Sarah and his children go he has nothing to worry about. They will never publically turn their backs on Andrew and there is good reason to believe they won't do it privately either.
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:53 PM
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He's not fussy about the company he keeps. Epstein was at a shooting weekend at Sandringham at least once and some dodgy Kazak woman was in the Royal box with him at Ascot recently. I don't think you have to be a genius to see that he's obviously getting something back from some very rich people in exchange for them getting close access to the Royals. Fergie got caught organising this sort of thing but I noticed it about the two of them long before that. A Kazakhstani billionaire even bought the house in Sunningdale that Andrew had struggled to sell for way over the asking price and has since left the house to rot, who does that unless they are looking for something big in return? He and his ex-wife are a disgrace.

I can't say I'm really surprised about the allegations. Andrew doesn't seem to have good judgment about the people he admits into his inner circle.
(He even approved of Beatrice's former boyfriend and invited him along on a family vacation before he learned that the man had a criminal record).

He should be more cautious of the company he keeps.
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:58 PM
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Old 01-03-2015, 02:02 PM
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Anyone worrying about what this does to Andrew's reputation with the British public shouldn't bother - his reputation was already zero. He'll be forever associated with air miles for helicopter trips to play golf, all the craziness with Sarah, connections to several dodgy foreign businessmen/dictators etc etc. He's just not respected, despite his hundreds of engagements each year on behalf of the Queen. That ship had already long set sail, fair or otherwise.

I don't know what he got up to with this friend of his. He deserves to be presumed innocent until such times as any wrong-doing is proved against him, although we know that won't happen. As we've seen with sex scandals, particularly where those under the age of consent are involved, both in the US and the UK the mere suggestion of wrongdoing is enough to completely ruin lives. That's unfair, but it's a fact.

Andrew's decision to continue a relationship with this man after he was convicted of sex crimes, however, simply defies belief. What on earth was he thinking?
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Old 01-03-2015, 02:27 PM
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The teen-age girls involved in this were probably scared and were afraid of the consequences involved to them if they didn't do what Jeff Epstein told them to do. I would have to wonder what would have happened if any of these teen-agers had said no to the men who were involved in this. At the very least, they would be upset, angered and offended. It would take a brave teen to do this and it would be at great risk.

I wonder if the teens were afraid of physical or mental harm from Jeff Epstein if they refused to do what he told them to do. Certainly they were afraid of some type of punishment or consequences from him if they said no and no doubt they would be.


A lot of what was said relating to Prince Andrew and others named are things which are hard to prove one way or another. Even if one has done nothing wrong or isn't guilty of what they are accused of, guilty by association can be very damaging.

If it turns out that these are false allegations and is proven to be so, then I would think that Prince Andrew could sue for deformation of character and slander.


It's a sad story all around.
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I can't get my mind around the fact Andrew remained friends with this guy after he was released from prison on sex charges
I don't understand this. One is friends only when the going is good, when the going is easy?

I'm going to step away from this as I've seen too often people's lives destroyed in total via false accusations and endlessly repeated innuendo in the media. (It's recently happened with a very good man, well known in the business, whose having his older years shattered by some very dark pay-back). I have a work colleague whose spouse works in the Innocence Project. Very sad stories.

How easy it is to make the claims and the baying of the hounds begins. It happens too often as the scent is picked up by the pack. Luckily there have been celebrities who have defied the odds and faced such full in the face, surviving professionally and personally, when decades ago the merest hint of scandal meant total ruin (hence, the power of the movie moguls over their 'stable of actors').

I would be curious to know if there is a parallel between those who fault Sofia Helqvist her past and the response to Andrew's choices. Takes two to tango, as the saying goes.
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