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Old 01-02-2015, 04:06 PM
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Indeed, 18 is the Age of Consent in Florida. Although Andrew is not a party to the suit, he could be subpoenaed as a witness. I don't know the extent of protection Andrew would receive in his position as the Queen's son.
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Old 01-02-2015, 04:24 PM
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But the girl doesn't claim the acts with Andrew happen in FL but NY and London plus the U.S. Virgin Islands. It's 16 for UK and NY. Also this is a civil lawsuit not a criminal one. I would also think there is a statue of limitations involved sort like the accusations with Bill Cosby.

What makes it extra bad for Andrew is January is such a slow Royal month so there is nothing that would bump it from the papers.


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Old 01-02-2015, 05:55 PM
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Didn't we already know this ? I'm sure I remember reading about his involvement with all this a couple of years ago.


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Yep, there were allegations back in 2011. Vanity Fair did an article about it. According to the article, one of Epstein's former employees claimed that he saw Prince Andrew engage in acts with minor girls. A few of the girls were questioned under oath and and refused to answer.

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Old 01-02-2015, 06:21 PM
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This story originally broke around the time of William's wedding and it was reported somewhere that William was furious with his uncle for bringing the family into disrepute just as he, William, was about to marry.


It was also after that that the stories really got traction that Charles was going to slim down the monarchy - had been around before that but really got going afterwards.


The bigger scandal may still be waiting - just what Charles and Diana knew about Jimmy Saville, with whom they were both good friends. This may even be a test case to see how Andrew is received in the world afterwards to determine whether it is worth really going after Charles over the Saville friendship and what he knew about people in high places.


I do think that Andrew probably knew about things even if he didn't participate and I also expect that some of his charities - Outward Bound and Lakeland School in Canada - may very well drop him.


The Queen will give him her support - as she did with the earlier allegations when she responded by giving him some new honour. She gave him the GVCO in 2011 as these earlier stories were swirling around him. Maybe she could re-issue the LPs so that Beatrice could inherit the York title if he doesn't have a son - something to show she trusts him.


If it is found out that he knew then he will have to step down from all public engagements - and possibly even ask the government to remove him from the line of succession. He is, after all, a Counsellor of State - meaning he can sign legislation if required and will continue in that role for at least another 20 years.


He is a very foolish man whatever his involvement and his reputation which was already appalling will not recover. His daughters will also have to face the fall-out - no biggish weddings, no official roles etc as every time they appeared the story of their father's fall from grace would be there - ongoing bad PR.
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Old 01-02-2015, 06:27 PM
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Yes. If he knew what was going on with underage girls and did nothing/said nothing to the authorities who could have helped those girls, it's tragic for his own daughters and their futures. As for Jimmy Saville, he had a lot of people fooled; and Charles and Diana could have been among others who didn't suspect anything.

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He is a very foolish man whatever his involvement and his reputation which was already appalling will not recover. His daughters will also have to face the fall-out - no biggish weddings, no official roles etc as every time they appeared the story of their father's fall from grace would be there - ongoing bad PR.
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Old 01-02-2015, 06:37 PM
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Old 01-02-2015, 06:40 PM
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And here is the newspaper front pages.

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Old 01-02-2015, 06:41 PM
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Andrew has actually been named in the lawsuit so I would expect him to be interviewed at some stage. Wouldn't he have to go to court to answer these charges? Whether or not it is true mud sticks and Andrew was photographed with Epstein after he served 18 months and is listed as a peadophile. It's his own fault he did go to parties so whether he participated or not is irrelevent he put himself in this position. I can't see some of his charities etc wanting their Patron to have these sort of allegations and I won't be surprised if he get's dumped by many especially those relating to children. And the fact that Epstein paid of some of Fergies debts isn't going to sit well with people either. Andrew needs to keep a low profile and sort this out it could get worse. If there are pictures of him at any of these parties with any young women it's going to really harm him. I think Andrew can do silly things and it's possible he did do this he might not off thought the girl was underage but a man in his forties or fifties with such a young girl is distasteful no matter who he is. The Queen will of course stand by him but this doesn't look good for Andrews future role.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:00 PM
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Andrew has actually been named in the lawsuit so I would expect him to be interviewed at some stage. Wouldn't he have to go to court to answer these charges? Whether or not it is true mud sticks and Andrew was photographed with Epstein after he served 18 months and is listed as a peadophile. It's his own fault he did go to parties so whether he participated or not is irrelevent he put himself in this position. I can't see some of his charities etc wanting their Patron to have these sort of allegations and I won't be surprised if he get's dumped by many especially those relating to children. And the fact that Epstein paid of some of Fergies debts isn't going to sit well with people either. Andrew needs to keep a low profile and sort this out it could get worse. If there are pictures of him at any of these parties with any young women it's going to really harm him. I think Andrew can do silly things and it's possible he did do this he might not off thought the girl was underage but a man in his forties or fifties with such a young girl is distasteful no matter who he is. The Queen will of course stand by him but this doesn't look good for Andrews future role.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:06 PM
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Oh, Andrew! Aren't there enough adult women in the world for you?
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:13 PM
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I am not sure if he will be even given the chance to answer these allegations. He isn't named as a 'defendant' and so it is possible that he won't even be interviewed.


If he has done nothing wrong - he could consider counter-suing for defamation/libel (I am always confused about which is verbal and which is written) - which would be interesting, as he could launch that suit in London I suspect where she alleged these happenings took place.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:21 PM
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God it seems to get worse, when the first reports of Andrew and Epstein first came out I didn't massively follow them (probably due to all the royal wedding build up) But now I am reading about it properly I am horrified that Andrew knew and continued to socialise with Epstein after he was arrested and served 18months in prison after which he had to register as a sex offender. How stupid is Andrew?! An article in the UK Independent even goes so far as to say Andrew was at a party Epstein hosted to celebrate being released from prison.

I have great respect for the British Monarchy and the Queen but sorry I am mortified that someone with Andrew's poor judgement and taste represents me and my country around the world.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:31 PM
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If Andrew isn't deposed in this, take that litigator's license away.

Plus, would Andrew receive immunity despite not working in any diplomatic capacity in the US currently?
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:32 PM
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Im not saying Andrew is innocent or not, but I hate thr human habit of believing everything that is said with or without evidence. It's so hard to prove you didn't do something and if you are innocent nobody cares.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:36 PM
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Personally I'm sure Andrew won't have been involved with it himself BUT if it turns out he knew about it or saw anything then God help him in the media.
And, if he did know anything and didn't report, he is as bad as they are and should be held accountable. I personally do not think is was involved physically, but I have a strong opinion that Andrew would never have the guts to go against his friends if he knew they were doing something illegal or vastly immoral.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:48 PM
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Wow! The only thing missing is here is the "Hanging Judge".

Please correct me if I am wrong but at this point Prince Andrew has been named in a "Civil Suit" in Florida.

He is not the Defendant.

The only substantiated information thus far is that he was a friend of Epstein.

The suit was filed in Florida where the age of consent is 18.

The alledged incidents occured in place where the age of consent is 16.

January is a slow news month.

Andrew has been found guilty by association in the Lower Court of the forum and must be excised from all royal connection, resign his charities and move to an isolated island in exile.

Whatever happened to family loyalty? Are the royal family required to distance themselves from him as a show of public righteousness? He has been accused of nothing and charged with nothing but there seems to be some confusion here as he has been all but named as a paedophile and the speed with which some forum members have grabbed this label and run with it, is downright scarey. Due process anyone? No, here it seems it's guilty until proven innocent.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:56 PM
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Thank you, Marge!!! Innocent until proven guilty is rather important to all of us!
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Old 01-02-2015, 08:03 PM
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Wow! The only thing missing is here is the "Hanging Judge".

Please correct me if I am wrong but at this point Prince Andrew has been named in a "Civil Suit" in Florida.

He is not the Defendant.

The only substantiated information thus far is that he was a friend of Epstein.

The suit was filed in Florida where the age of consent is 18.

The alledged incidents occured in place where the age of consent is 16.

January is a slow news month.

Andrew has been found guilty by association in the Lower Court of the forum and must be excised from all royal connection, resign his charities and move to an isolated island in exile.

Whatever happened to family loyalty? Are the royal family required to distance themselves from him as a show of public righteousness? He has been accused of nothing and charged with nothing but there seems to be some confusion here as he has been all but named as a paedophile and the speed with which some forum members have grabbed this label and run with it, is downright scarey. Due process anyone? No, here it seems it's guilty until proven innocent.
I agree.. All my comments have been about how this will affect the monarchy and such. Because we all know that him being guilty or not won't matter for his image if the damage has already been done.
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Old 01-02-2015, 08:05 PM
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I agree about Andrew needing to be proven guilty before everyone assumes the claims made now are true and I actually doubt they are true.

However what has been proven is that Andrew continued to associate with Epstein after Espstein was arrested on charges of soliciting sex (some say he only pleaded guilty to lower the charges from more serious ones) and after Espstein was forced to register as a sex offender. Personally I judge Andrew to be lacking in judgement and intelligence based on this alone.
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I said it about Bill Cosby and I'll say it about Prince Andrew, their innocent until proven guilty.

Buckingham Palace has issued a statement on behalf of Prince Andrew denying he was in any way involved in sexually abusing an under-age girl in the United States. His name has come up in legal documents there, served on a friend of his, Jeffrey Epstein, financier and sex offender:
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PRINCE ANDREW ALLEGATIONS: DICKIE ARBITER INTERVIEW-
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Interesting Article-
Woman who sued convicted billionaire over sex abuse levels claims at his friends-
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...tz-200495.html
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