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One of Jeffery Epstein’s victims, Virginia Roberts, speak out 2018-
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I feel bad for Beatrice and Eugenie.
I’m sorry, but he was a convicted felon at that point. It was not a misdemeanor. He served little time and allowed to work away because he got special treatment, not because the crime he did plead guilty to is no big deal. They all knew, including Andrew, by that point he pled guilty to soliciting prostitution from girls as young as 14. That was known information, not buried somewhere in the fine print. If that does not disgust people, regardless of anything else in the public domain, I’m not sure much will.
None of his friends should be shocked at the reasons for his arrest. Maybe the fact that he was actually arrested and is actually brought to face charges.
I seriously doubt that charges will be brought against Andrew or Fergie. Their reputation may take a dive though depending on how the press covers the case. Right now, the focus doesn't seem to be on the Yorks.
There are an awful lot of "known" statements in your rebuttal. More than the AG or his Office in Florida since he only pled to 2 cases of soliciting for prostitution. It would appear that the entire State knew and didn't care.
The cases out of SDNY are new even though they cover the same period. I think it is important that we don't muddy the waters with our clairvoyance and wonder why it is that he is not still in prison in Florida. Everyone was busy defaming those who they, in their superior opinion, thought were all sorts of ugly things.
While everyone held court on the front pages and even here on this forum, the sole indicted sex offender slithered away with his reputation largely undamaged because people thought 2 solicitation charges are not too bad.
That proved that very few KNEW anything and most accepted the results of the case as vindication. All TPTB and those who didn't share his proclivities would never believe that a 58 page indictment of child sex trafficking that would result in a 65 year sentence if convicted, could be pled down to 13 months and a sealed case. The charges were so egregious as to not even being eligible for a plea deal. And yet they were.
This time we need to keep our eye on the ball for any anomalous occurrences . . . like what division is handling the N.Y. case?
Following the arrest of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein and allegations of abusing underage girls, a new accuser comes forward for the first time telling her story to @SavannahGuthrie. Tune in tomorrow, only on @TODAYshow
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Utterly outrageous, legally and morally wrong, he was charged with solicitation for prostitution, nothing about children was part of the deal. The solicitation did not and could not use the word 'minor' as I should imagine that would have defeated the machinations that got him that 13mth sentence.
What I am trying to say is that for overseas friends and acquaintances or even within the US, the highly publicised arrest of someone for child trafficking, with many, many victims, pleading guilty and serving 13 mths in jail on two charges of soliciting, and having to register as a sex offender sends a clear message that it was nothing like the outrageous claims in the news and that their friend Jeffery was not a paedophile after all.
Most ordinary people cannot conceive of corruption of Justice on that level. Most lawyers, prosecutors, DA's etc. can't figure it out either.
Despite substantial physical evidence and multiple witnesses backing up the girls’ stories, the secret deal allowed Epstein to enter guilty pleas to two felony prostitution charges. Epstein admitted to committing only one offense against one underage girl, who was labeled a prostitute, even though she was 14, which is well under the age of consent — 18 in Florida.
Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html#storylink=cpy
More coverage of this horror is coming out from the British press. This is going to be rough for the BRF
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ein-threw-party-honor-Prince-Andrew-2010.html
Labor Sec'y Costa resigned today because of the scandal.
More coverage of this horror is coming out from the British press. This is going to be rough for the BRF
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ein-threw-party-honor-Prince-Andrew-2010.html
Labor Sec'y Costa resigned today because of the scandal.
Probably because he didn't believe 99% of what is in the tabloids. It's all very well looking back with the aid of 20/20 vision but the details of the plea deal were not made public and pleading guilty of 2 charges of solicitation and 13 months in the County Jail is a "you're sailing close to the wind".Why was Andrew still hanging out with him after he had been convicted of such disgusting crimes?
As to Andrew specifically, both he and his brother's lives were destroyed by tabloid interference and the vast majority of the UK don't believe the tabloids about the Royal Family because they are nothing if not creative. They would never cut people on the strength of the DM, et al. It would have to be something they experienced.
One thing I think we need to keep in mind though that, at this time, involvement by anyone other than Epstein (who is facing these charges) is that they're all allegations at this time. Clinton is alleged to have flown on "The Lolita Express". Trump is alleged to host a party for him and Epstein and a gaggle of girls. Andrew is alleged to have close ties to Epstein. The only real incontrovertible evidence in any of the above is that there is a photograph of Andrew with his arm around a young woman. He's also been photographed with his arms around his daughters so that really doesn't *prove* anything.
Until others are named in the lawsuit and summoned or indicted, we need to be careful of pointing fingers at those that are *alleged* to have ties to Epstein's schemes.
Sometimes I am shocked by the lengths people go to excuse royals, especially royal men.
I understand that caution needs to be exercised, but, back in 2016, he was alleged to have done a bit more than that...Trump is alleged to host a party for him and Epstein and a gaggle of girls.
Granted, that lawsuit was dropped shortly after the 2016 United States presidential election. The question of why the lawsuit was dropped is open to interpretation. One such interpretation could be that the entire lawsuit was a partisan hit job meant to derail Trump's presidential campaign, though, the thing that makes me less likely to support that interpretation is that, given Bill Clinton's connection to Epstein, bringing Epstein into the 2016 presidential campaign would have done nearly as much damage to Hillary Clinton as it would have done to Donald Trump (and I suspect this is why the Clinton campaign never even acknowledged that Trump was being sued, let alone make it a campaign issue).What you have pointed out, Troy, is factual evidence that a complaint was filed against both Epstein and Trump in a court of law. Not gossip or tabloid fodder but actually a legal case.
My eyes aren't as good as they used to was and have a hard time reading the .pdf file and legal jargon is not my best talent but am I right in stating from what I've read that the lawsuit was dropped and closed?
Its stuff like this that is going to come out that really will do damage to a person's reputation no matter who he/she is. The facts. As Epstein's pyramid collapses, I do believe that more and more facts are going to be brought into the light of day and made public knowledge.
I'd suggest that anyone really interested in following all this read the legal document that Troy has posted for us. Some of those allegations in that case are very, very scary and heinous to say the least.
Sometimes I am shocked by the lengths people go to excuse royals, especially royal men.
Or by the length people are going to accuse royals.... It's a game on both sides and as long as we don't know more about that scandal it is very difficult to take sides when it comes to Andrew.
Me too!Sometimes I am shocked by the lengths people go to excuse royals, especially royal men.