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Old 01-21-2015, 09:50 PM
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I know there is no statute of limitations for the Mann Act but that is so they can prosecute people if crimes are discovered after years and years. Can the prosecutor know about the crime at the time and then file charges 10 years later?
Interesting question. Since this claim is all about the plaintiffs being denied rights and seeking to have the agreement to not prosecute set aside because of it, my inclination is that public policy considerations would likely favour the bringing of charges in the event the petition is successful. I am assuming that the hearing would involve evidence of the prosecutors being influenced by improper considerations when making their decision to enter into the agreement. I don't know whether there is a precedent in the jurisdiction though.
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:37 PM
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Well, from that CBS article posted, it seems the prosecutors are arguing there is a statute of limitations for this act and that Jane Does 3 and 4 have not met it. I can't find a statute of limitations on it. I'd love to see the new filings.
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Old 01-21-2015, 11:59 PM
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Has this been posted? Claims that Andrew participated in an 'orgy' with Epstein and 8 girls. Prince Andrew allegations: 'Sex slave' accuser Virginia Roberts says 'I had dungeon romp with duke' - Mirror Online
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Old 01-22-2015, 12:12 AM
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:08 AM
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Thanks Skippyboo. I am sorry that I didn't explain my question fully. Why did the states go along with the deal?

I understand that the Jane Does are not suing the state prosecutor because state laws don't allow it. This suit is a result of a federal law regarding federal victims' rights.

It just seems odd to me that so many people went along with this plea bargain. And not just Florida, apparently several states could have brought charges.

I know there is no statute of limitations for the Mann Act but that is so they can prosecute people if crimes are discovered after years and years. Can the prosecutor know about the crime at the time and then file charges 10 years later?
To initiate a prosecution criminal conduct must occurr in that state and it must be reported to investigative agencies in that state. So for example, there are allegations that Epstein and co-conspirators engaged in criminal acts at his ranch in New Mexico, but unless one of the minors reported this to New Mexican authorities or, as a result of their investigation the FBI alerted New Mexico, New Mexico would have been unaware that Epstein and cronies were having sex with minors in their jurisdiction. So, it's possible that other named states (New York and California are mentioned in the pleadings) didn't even know crimes had been committed in their states. One of the allegations is that a group of 12 year old girls where flown from France to Florida for sex as a birthday present for Epstein, I don't know, but it might be a crime to procure 12 year olds from France for sex with billionaire pedophiles, but unless someone reports this crime to France, no prosecution will happen. And obviously those states & France didn't go along with a deal that they probably didn't know about.
My recollection is that what started the whole investigation was a 14 year old's stepmother telling Florida authorities. They initiated a prosecution and obtained a conviction. Florida may have kept the victims they knew about fully advised and involved in the plea negotiations which resulted in Epstein's prison sentence. As a result of this initial state investigation the FBI initiated it's own investigation - the Florida investigators might have gone to the FBI if one of their victims said Epstein flew them out of Florida for sex (a federal crime) for example. The FBI may have uncovered the 38 + additional victims but not shared their results with Florida investigators and prosecutors. Indeed the only time a local prosecutor tends to see FBI reports is if the U.S. Attorney's office decides not to take it federally and the FBI shows up at the local prosecutor's office asking if they'll file state charges on the case.
It is also likely that Florida prosecutors were not given the reports from the FBI investigation, thus they may not have known of the number of victims - they knew their case and their victims, but the Feds keep things very close to the vest.
The Florida prosecutors may not have even been aware that the U.S. Attorney's office was negotiating a deal to drop charges based on Epstein's plea to the state charges. Even if the Florida prosecutors knew the Feds were agreeing to drop the Fed charges in exchange for the state plea I doubt that the Feds let the local prosecutors know any specifics about the deal they negotiated with Dershowitz & Epstein's other lawyers - remember this was a pre charging deal worked out by the Feds, so there was no public record, only the FBI investigation reports and evidence seized and the U. S Attorney's file, neither of which the Florida prosecutors would normally see, nor would they normally take part in the plea negotiations between the U.S. Attorney and Epstein's team. The Feds don't play that way, and they are pretty much 'need to know' and in their world local prosecutors just don't need to know what the U.S. Attorney has evidence wise or is or is not prosecuting.
On an unrelated note - there's claims that Epstein videotaped his 'friends' with his girls, and that the FBI seized at least some of those tapes - so even though these crimes occurred before every cell phone became a camera, there may be videos and photos. For some reason pedophiles love having stashes of nasty home movies and of course the allegation is that Epstein filmed his friends for blackmail in case he should need to 'influence' them.
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Old 01-22-2015, 11:15 AM
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Andrew out in public at Davos.

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Old 01-22-2015, 11:49 AM
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Andrew looks nervous, worn out, and a bit sad. I do feel sorry for him. Whatever he did...he exercised very, very bad judgment. But it seems hard on him that he, and not Epstein, has to walk through the media circus, with all the exaggerations and lurid headlines, now. It's damaging his career, and I'm sure he knows that.
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Old 01-22-2015, 12:10 PM
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Interesting question. Since this claim is all about the plaintiffs being denied rights and seeking to have the agreement to not prosecute set aside because of it, my inclination is that public policy considerations would likely favour the bringing of charges in the event the petition is successful. I am assuming that the hearing would involve evidence of the prosecutors being influenced by improper considerations when making their decision to enter into the agreement. I don't know whether there is a precedent in the jurisdiction though.
You make a good point about the public policy considerations but the U.S. Constitution guarantees that the accused has the right to a speedy trial. I think Epstein would have an excellent argument that his constitutional rights would be violated whether there is a formal statute of limitations or not.

As far as I know, there is no credible allegation of serious misconduct by the prosecutor--the Jane Does are not alleging bribery. The allegation is that the prosecutors were influenced by Epstein's powerful friends. It's possible, but it's not illegal. Prosecutors have discretion in all cases and there could be other reasons they agreed to this deal.


Sndral, thanks for the history. Very interesting.
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Old 01-22-2015, 12:24 PM
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Well, how miserable the lady looks on the (real?) picture with the Duke. All smiles from ear to ear. Phew phew, lady, what cruelty and what hardship, gosh... And she was "forced", three times even, to sleep with "Andy". Sure, whatever "forced" means....

What is a girl aged 17 doing in between all these surroundings anyway. It is the same nonsense as a lady claiming that she was underaged when Bill Cosby allegedly misused her while she was in the Playboy Estate... Come on...
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:19 PM
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Prince Andrew says he wants to reiterate statements made by buckingham palace and says ''my focus is on my work''.

Prince Andrew says 'my focus is my work' as he makes first public statement about sex abuse claims - Telegraph

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Speaking at an event for entrepreneurs at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he said: "Firstly I think I must for the record refer to the events that have taken place over the last few weeks.
"I wish to reiterate and reaffirm the statements already made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is my work."
It is the first time a senior member of the Royal family has appeared before TV cameras to deny allegations of serious sexual impropriety.
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:34 PM
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Some people have very strange morals they are still blaming the female. Poor Andrew ????


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Old 01-22-2015, 01:36 PM
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Some people have very strange morals they are still blaming the female. Poor Andrew ????


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These sentiments is only if the accusations is false. A usual 17 year old isn't coerced more than a 20 year old. It's not like most 17 year old and younger don't have sex...
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:40 PM
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These sentiments is only if the accusations is false. A usual 17 year old isn't coerced more than a 20 year old. It's not like most 17 year old and younger don't have sex...

" most"???


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Old 01-22-2015, 02:12 PM
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I don't mean most. I myself didn't. But it's not like 17 year olds are coerced into it. (unless in the same way as an older)
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Old 01-22-2015, 02:16 PM
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Old 01-22-2015, 02:27 PM
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@BBCBreaking: Prince Andrew publicly denies claims by a US woman who says she was forced to have sex with him http://t.co/5WlF1PzZ6v


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Old 01-22-2015, 02:48 PM
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Emily Andrews ‏@byEmilyAndrews 6 mins6 minutes ago
#PrinceAndrew: "I just wish to reiterate & to reaffirm statements which have already been made on my behalf by BP" Not sure that's enough...

Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail · 54 mins 54 minutes ago
Unprecedented public denial over damaging sex claims by Prince Andrew tonight. Will it be enough? I doubt it.

Prince Andrew breaks silence over sex scandal and denies he slept with underage teen | Daily Mail Online
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The Duke of York today for the first time publicly denied allegations he had underage sex with a teenager, 'reiterating and reaffirming' Buckingham Palace statements that rebutted the claims.

Prince Andrew was in Davos, Switzerland, to meet the world's most rich and powerful people as he faced growing pressure to testify on oath about his contacts with the alleged ‘sex slave'.

The 54-year-old, who is fifth in line to the throne, said: 'Firstly, I think I must want for the record to refer to the events that have taken place in the last few weeks.

‘And I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is on my work.'

Virginia Roberts claims she had sex three times with the Duke of York including at an orgy on a Caribbean island involving eight other young girls.
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Old 01-22-2015, 03:11 PM
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Well, I guess that statement clarified everything, lol.
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Old 01-22-2015, 03:39 PM
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Would have been better to say nothing. Don't think it helped at all and the way he walked in head down over the phone looking nervous would have looked better with head held high.
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Old 01-22-2015, 03:42 PM
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Would have been better to say nothing. Don't think it helped at all and the way he walked in head down over the phone looking nervous would have looked better with head held high.
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I don't agree. Head high would have looked like he didn't care one way or another. Noone would walk with their head high after the week he had, guilty or not. So that would just have looked bizarre.
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