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Old 08-28-2011, 08:05 AM
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A question for Sarah .... how can one be "tricked" if one is doing nothing wrong ???
False name, false identity, lies, entrapment, hidden mics and camera... that qualifies as being tricked as far as I'm concerned! Of course her actions were wrong, but desperate, scared people (as she was about her financial situation) can be manipulated into doing things. Sarah has admitted she was wrong and apologised, but this doesn't change the fact that she was tricked.

As for Brand Sarah - people say it's all over? Admittedly it's hard to know without viewing figures for the TV show and sales figures for the book. But there are plenty of positive book reviews on Amazon, and enthusiastic fans have flocked to the signings in the US. There has also been plenty of highly enthusiastic reaction to FS on the OWN website. I feel that there is still a market for Sarah to make a living from writing and TV work. Her fanbase is wider and more loyal than many would believe. She doesn't need everyone to like her, but if there is a select, dedicated group throughout the world who will support her, buy her products etc, then that may be enough.
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Old 08-28-2011, 08:21 AM
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Another hard interview for Sarah!
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If you can't get the video to work for the 60 minutes interview, here it is on youtube:


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Old 08-28-2011, 09:40 AM
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False name, false identity, lies, entrapment, hidden mics and camera... that qualifies as being tricked as far as I'm concerned! Of course her actions were wrong, but desperate, scared people (as she was about her financial situation) can be manipulated into doing things. Sarah has admitted she was wrong and apologised, but this doesn't change the fact that she was tricked.

As for Brand Sarah - people say it's all over? Admittedly it's hard to know without viewing figures for the TV show and sales figures for the book. But there are plenty of positive book reviews on Amazon, and enthusiastic fans have flocked to the signings in the US. There has also been plenty of highly enthusiastic reaction to FS on the OWN website. I feel that there is still a market for Sarah to make a living from writing and TV work. Her fanbase is wider and more loyal than many would believe. She doesn't need everyone to like her, but if there is a select, dedicated group throughout the world who will support her, buy her products etc, then that may be enough.
I repeat, if one has done nothing wrong one cannot be "tricked". It was clear she was there for money, she just got caught on camera receiving it. Seemed to me there was little hesitation in taking the cash.
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Old 08-28-2011, 03:47 PM
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False name, false identity, lies, entrapment, hidden mics and camera... that qualifies as being tricked as far as I'm concerned! Of course her actions were wrong, but desperate, scared people (as she was about her financial situation) can be manipulated into doing things. Sarah has admitted she was wrong and apologised, but this doesn't change the fact that she was tricked.

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Can't quite agree. Yes, they set out to trap her but the point is she readily accepted to take money for access. The NOW must have had some clue that she would accept cash for access before setting this up.
Sarah talks about being tricked, but it is more a case of getting caught doing something very wrong. She talks about betraying herself, but she betrayed her ex-husband by willingly selling him out for 500,000 pounds. She is all woe is me...poor Sarah....I was tricked....boo hoo, sniff sniff.
If she had a "moral compass" she would have stood up and said "no, this is wrong" and walked away without the briefcase full of cash, but instead now she stands up and walks out on reporters when questioned about her actions. If you are going to write about it and accept interviews with serious reporters you have to accept serious questions about your wrong doing.
She was lucky that in the UK, unlike in many countries, it is not a criminal offence to sell access to public officials.
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Her fanbase is wider and more loyal than many would believe. She doesn't need everyone to like her, but if there is a select, dedicated group throughout the world who will support her, buy her products etc, then that may be enough.
I only wonder what she gives to people so that they become her fans for better and for worse? That's something I don't get.
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Old 08-28-2011, 04:12 PM
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but now she stands up and walks away from reporters who question her actions.

If this is a reference to the recent interview in Australia that is actually wrong - she didn't walk away because they questioned her about it - she had agreed to that. She walked away because they insisted that she watch it again - something she hadn't agreed to do. She didn't need to have to watch it again in order to answer questions about it. They would only want so show that and insist that she watches it to show her squirming and for ghouls to gloat over. They could easily have included the clip without making her watch it again.
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False name, false identity, lies, entrapment, hidden mics and camera... that qualifies as being tricked as far as I'm concerned! Of course her actions were wrong, but desperate, scared people (as she was about her financial situation) can be manipulated into doing things. Sarah has admitted she was wrong and apologised, but this doesn't change the fact that she was tricked..
I don't wish to offend Sarah's loyal fans, but really and truthfully I have to say that personally I find it a bit much that Sarah, clearly up to no good herself [i.e by taking the cash for access] then has the gall to complain about other people whom she sees acting less than honestly; I also find it particuarly hard to stomach that the reason for her 'desperation' and 'being scared' was not due to some sort of hideous misfortune that had occurred to her but due to her long term and sustained uncontrolled expenditure......... When she got into such trouble, why did she not summon one of her proper professional advisers [she has access to the best legal and [genuine!!] financial advice available in the UK] tell them that she had 'messed up' [yet again!!] and asked for their help in setting things right.....

Surely too, the real people that suffer from her actions are her two daughters..........




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As for Brand Sarah - people say it's all over? Admittedly it's hard to know without viewing figures for the TV show and sales figures for the book. But there are plenty of positive book reviews on Amazon, and enthusiastic fans have flocked to the signings in the US. There has also been plenty of highly enthusiastic reaction to FS on the OWN website. I feel that there is still a market for Sarah to make a living from writing and TV work. Her fanbase is wider and more loyal than many would believe. She doesn't need everyone to like her, but if there is a select, dedicated group throughout the world who will support her, buy her products etc, then that may be enough.
I queried the reaction here about the favourable reviews on the OWN website and was told by forum members that this is not necessarily representative of how American members who watched FS really feel as apparently anything unfavourable is immediately deleted!!

And as for 'Brand Sarah', even if Sarah had not been shooting herself in the foot with her 'cash for access' and her admissions [terrible for someone who has tried to pass herself off as a savvy business-person] 'that she never understood money' (I am paraphrasing), with all due respect to Sarah and her fans, there is only one way for 'Brand Sarah' and that is down. Sarah's only professional skill is a basic secretarial qualification [in fact she came joint bottom in her class at Secretarial College!]. She is quite an effective public speaker, but in view of her lack of formal qualifications, her only REAL interest, in other words her USP [unique selling point] is that she was once a member of the BRF. As every day passes, she gets one further day away from the member of the BRF she once was.

I had never had the opportunity to watch the Channel 6 tv interview until just now, and listening to how carefully Sarah chooses her words about the Queen and even Andrew, I now get the distinct feeling that Sarah has been 'warned off' about mentioning them. People who book Sarah to be either a 'brand' Ambassador or even a Professional Speaker are actually doing it, surely, for the novelty of employing a 'Royal'. As it is becoming increasingly clear in her TV interviews that Sarah is now minimally linked to the BRF, I would think - particularly as there is a global recession on - that corporations don't have money to waste on a has-been; and anyway, isn't the focus now switching away from 51 year old has-beens to the new generation of Royals, principally William, Catherine and Harry?

I don't wish to offend anyone, but I really think that Sarah is flogging a dead horse and cannot really survive 'as a Royal personality' any more. What she can do now is more difficult to pronounce upon - other than approach the Queen for assistance, which might yet be granted as the Jubilee is looming and I am quite sure the prospect of this loose cannon getting yet again into financial difficulty [which would seem a certainty in view of Sarah's continued failure to adopt a low profile] would be the greater of two evils in the minds of the Queen and her advisors. Which would mean Sarah, in return for her financial expenses for modest being met and a roof over her head, would in return be required to disappear from view.....

I should make it clear that I do not wish to offend anyone; I do not 'hate' Sarah in the slightest, but she has now gone quite a way from the frumpy overweight 22 year old that I first met, who in those days was regarded [somewhat cruelly] as such a non-starter that she herself did not believe that ANYONE would want to marry her. Well-versed in the ways of the world in a way that her brother-in-law's wife was not, she then hooked a Prince but hadn't the sense not to blow it. Sure, she made mistakes, and which of us has not, but to keep making one mistake after the other....words fail me.

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Old 08-28-2011, 07:55 PM
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Can't quite agree. Yes, they set out to trap her but the point is she readily accepted to take money for access. The NOW must have had some clue that she would accept cash for access before setting this up.
Sarah talks about being tricked, but it is more a case of getting caught doing something very wrong. She talks about betraying herself, but she betrayed her ex-husband by willingly selling him out for 500,000 pounds. She is all woe is me...poor Sarah....I was tricked....boo hoo, sniff sniff.
If she had a "moral compass" she would have stood up and said "no, this is wrong" and walked away without the briefcase full of cash, but instead now she stands up and walks out on reporters when questioned about her actions. If you are going to write about it and accept interviews with serious reporters you have to accept serious questions abut your wrong doing.
She was lucky that in the UK, unlike in many countries, it is not a criminal offence to sell access to public officials.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you say NGalitzine.

If I can help a bit with the Fake Sheikh, whilst I am the first to say that the News of the World can represent journalism at its most grubby, the Fake Sheikh has always maintained that he never sets out to 'trap his victims a-new' but in fact is trying to make them replicate something that is already true so that he can actually film it and obtain evidence: Thus, with regard to the Sophie Wessex sting, the NOTW was apparently first alerted by an employee of R-JH [her PR company] that Sophie was trading on her Royal status; thus the Fake Sheikh claimed that all he did was set up a situation so that Sophie's behaviour could be replicated on camera. Ditto with the well known brother-and-sister polo couple Jack Kidd and his sister the model Jodie. They were caught by the fake Sheikh in a drug-sting, apparently set up by the NOTW because of the couple's well known use of cocaine. This all leads me to speculate that Sarah had previously set up a 'cash for access' deal before...........

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I don't believe it was Sarah's first time the newspaper had to get the idea she would be in it from somewhere. Sarah should be grateful they haven't said how they got the idea in the first place. As for her walking out in the video there is no mention of them showing Sarah footage when she walks out. He is part way through a question when she leaves. I think it had become clear to Sarah that this reporter wasn't buying her usual excuses. Could be the Queen has offered her cash so she will be quiet next year could tthat be where the hundred thousand pounds be coming from? I have noticed too that she has backed down from a lot of her gushing about Andrew and has even stopped wearing the engagement ring. A little bit too late I don't see her getting hired for anything and her books aren't doing as well as they once did. I don't think her latest got very high on the book lists and it's fall has been very fast. It would be better for her to move out of Royal Lodge and away from Prince Andrew that will hopefully show people she really has no life within the RF she just happens to be the mother of two Princesses!
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you say NGalitzine.

If I can help a bit with the Fake Sheikh, whilst I am the first to say that the News of the World can represent journalism at its most grubby, the Fake Sheikh has always maintained that he never sets out to 'trap his victims a-new' but in fact is trying to make them replicate something that is already true so that he can actually film it and obtain evidence: Thus, with regard to the Sophie Wessex sting, the NOTW was apparently first alerted by an employee of R-JH [her PR company] that Sophie was trading on her Royal status; thus the Fake Sheikh claims that all he did was set up a situation so that Sophie's behaviour could be replicated on camera. Ditto with the well known brother-and-sister polo couple Jack Kidd and his sister the model Jodie. They were caught by the fake Sheikh in a drug-sting, apparently set up by the NOTW because of the couple's well known use of cocaine. This all leads me to speculate that Sarah had previously set up a 'cash for access' deal before...........

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I think that I have mentioned before, that Sarah was employed by the Murdoch organization post-divorce. I'm certain that there was a close observation made of her inclinations and behaviours at that time, which would lead directly to an understanding of exactly how to bait a hook with the correct lure. In Sarah's case, it's to prey upon her need to be seen as a Royal insider, and her thirst for cash. Well played, but could not have been achieved without knowing the player intimately.
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I just saw the 60 minutes interview and felt that the "breaking point" for Sarah was when she was not asked to agree with what the video showed but when she was asked what she did directly afterwards - doings that were not recorded and thus not really known. Her dealings with the money she took, eg. That together with the video coverage of the "sting" really looks bad, I'm afraid. if there was something positive to claim about the aftermath, she would have done it, wouldnt she? Instead she freaked out... Hmmm...
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For those who maintain that Sarah was "tricked" I am reminded of this quote:

Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. --J.C. Watts
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Yes. The fact that Sarah can't/won't admit that she "done wrong" is troubling. Even when she was caught with John Bryan, her point of view was not that she had done wrong but that it wasn't anyone else's business. She turns every misdeed into a victimization by the press or someone else.

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Watching Sarah on Joy Behar right now. I have to say that she appears to be very gracious towards the royal family, much more than the host really. On the show she said that the Queen is the greatest lady she has ever met. And that she is NOT a member of the royal family.
Granted she is also still spinning the cash for access and seems very stuck on Andrew. But I think that I am seeing signs of growth.
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Watching Sarah on Joy Behar right now...On the show she said that the Queen is the greatest lady she has ever met. And that she is NOT a member of the royal family.
...But I think that I am seeing signs of growth.
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Sarah always talks glowingly of the Queen and what a great grandmother she is and she has started saying she is no longer a member of the BRF as well. But she continues to let people think she is still The Duchess of York and will also admit in the same breath that she longs to be part of it all again. At least that is what she did on 60 minutes! It is funny because lately she had been making it clear she and Andrew weren't an item and had cooled down on the gushing. I guess in the States she thinks it is a good line to try and sell. Changing and showing signs of growth would be her actually admitting to wrong. Nothing new in what she said to Joy. What did Joy call Sarah?
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Watching Sarah on Joy Behar right now. I have to say that she appears to be very gracious towards the royal family, much more than the host really. On the show she said that the Queen is the greatest lady she has ever met. And that she is NOT a member of the royal family.
Granted she is also still spinning the cash for access and seems very stuck on Andrew. But I think that I am seeing signs of growth.
This is not a new interview. It is a replay from a few months ago.

Yes, but in my opinion reluctantly but throwing in how close she is to Andrew. The beginning of the interview went like this:

Joy: You are still a Royal?

Sarah: Yeah, Im. well no. Im the Duchess of York and Im (sic) live in the same house as my handsome prince. But I wouldnt say Im part of the Royal Family.

During the Royal Wedding, she learned to be calm and cool while in Thailand and said it worked/s for her.

Went on to say that the scandal tape was heavily edited and they took out the bits about money going to charity. It was all down to her drinking and being nave and desperate to please.

Joy also brought up about doing role-playing in therapy to work out issues with her mother where Sarah asks a question (i.e. why did you leave me?) and answers it as her mother. Sarah used a different term than Joy but stated she has been working with some woman (dont remember her name) and had been doing this type of thing for two years.

Joy also asked Sarah why Andrew didnt give her money. I always find this type of question irritating. Someone needs to ask these interviewers that have been divorced, if they pay the exs bills when they over spend and have financial problems.

She has been interviewed numerous times on the View, which Joy is on, and they acted like a bunch of sycophants to her. Joy wasnt as gushing as the panel on the view but it was a very soft interview, as most of the initial ones were. But of course, if I was in her position, I would much rather have this type of interview than one that, going in, you know they cant wait to carve you up.

Joy made reference a couple of times that she was not a fan of the Royal Family.

At least, Joy called her Sarah and one time referred to her as Fergie.
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Seeing signs of growth? I dont.

And as Diarist says: I dont wish to offend.
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She is still so clueless. At one point at the end of the interview she says this amazing thing about 'Finding Sarah' - "It's not about me really'. What? Listening to her patter - really listening to all the set-phrases she repeats endlessly interview after interview, one is made aware that she is not - I repeat, not - in a good place.

Is it over? Has she stopped interviewing? Has she stopped? For her sake I hope she has because its gotten very hard to watch, frankly - and I won't anymore. Nope.

P.S. The interviewer is not hostile IMO. Just doing her job and in a very unsentimental way. I think Sarah freaks out when she realizes she has not 'charmed' the interviewer. Oh well....so it goes. Hope she comes to terms with her life - she doesn't really have such a bad life. And hey - it happens to us all - we can get 'fired' from a job. We might want to go back but we can't. Sarah has to really move on - meaning, let go of this need to be 'in the center of the playing field' - that she so morosely states in the Australian 60 Minutes interview - its an addiction that she cannot meet anymore. She's been fired. Its over.
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Well she didn't seem very hostile to me. How ridiculous Sarah can sound when she hasn't thought things over. Not about her? What is it about? Not a case full of money? It was money to pay her debts not a case full of money. How confusing. It wasn't for access to Andrew but she said clearly in the first video of the "event" that it was and unfortunately she said said "Andrew said"..... etc. etc.
She would be better off not giving interviews because the journalists are, well it has to be said, much smarter than she is. This is easy to say but what else can she do to make the money that she seems to think is necessary for the kind of life she leads? I really think she should do public speaking but with someone else helping her with what she is going to say (someone who really knows his/her business) then definitely NOT accept questions afterwards.
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