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Old 07-24-2011, 10:23 PM
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I've skipped the last couple of episodes because I, of all people got disgusted. I've been a Sarah fan for years, even if her actions were bizarre. She has a great place to live when so many of us are struggling to hold on to our homes. She goes on terrific holidays when most of us haven't had a decent vacation in years. Seven for me. She attends the best parties, the best restaurants, the best of everything. Why? Because her 2 daughters are princesses, and she's got Andrew wrapped around her little finger.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:11 AM
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Makes her sister cry and then tells her that, "You have to forgive yourself." As if her sister living her life is wrong, as if bringing this up decades later is right. Right to the end it's someone else's fault.
How long until she ends up like Winehouse or Marilyn Monroe? If she's losing control, it's likely that she will end up self destructing. She won't be able to end up with more work or end up getting more moeny from endorsements. I just hope to God the princesses get all the help and support they need to get through this.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:27 AM
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Didn't manage to see any of the episodes tonight (got busy on a project.)

According to this article she states that thanks to P. Andrew she is now debt free. I can't help but contrast that with her vanity fair article a couple of years ago (the one w/ the dominatrix photo) where she stated she helped P. Andrew out financially.

I've cleared my debts (yet again) says Fergie... and it's thanks to Andrew, my knight on a white charger | Mail Online
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:29 AM
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Well, I judge 'Finding Sarah' on a lot of levels. First and foremost, as a production, it fell short - and I don't know where the problem lay. I would say they had a very weak story-line, perhaps, but they also did not have a very engaging main character to work with, in the end.

Dr Phil does his job but Sarah's ability to repeat Dr Phil-isms is not growth. Ironically, by the end of the show the question looms: where is Sarah? She was not found in this show. It appears to be all about her public image. Its an empty message. There's nothing there. Dr Phil says it: the public life may not be for her. He looks at her meaningfully - he pauses. She will have none of it. She's addicted. She needs her celebrity-fix. She wants to be the center - and that desire - without talent or accomplishment - will continue to be a hard flail to her pride. That final conversation with Dr Phil was significant. His final statement to the camera was a cop-out IMO - he didn't even look the camera in the eye.

I have a hunch that all those involved in this at some point realized they had a dilemma - including Oprah. They tried to wrap it up neatly as a record of a triumphant passage but no triumph is evident. All the claims ring hollow. One gets no sense of a personal life, no sense of a person of substance. Her claims about how good it is with Andrew start to sound hollow - like if she says it long enough and loud enough it will be true. Not a good place to be for any woman.

Its clear her daughters know the truth of the situation and are not convinced of any change in Sarah. Its fascinating how similar Diana's and Sarah's mothering stories are: William is the son who sought to save his mother, Beatrice is the daughter who seeks to save her mother. The bane for every child of a weak parent that leans on the child like an equal.
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:03 AM
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It was actually said that Oprah made them reshoot some of the show because it was so boring. I think Sarah also put a lot of restrictions on what she would talk about. I don't think her affairs ever came up and all her money problems from before. Did they find out what she spent it all on or just bought the I'm too generous line that she likes to give? Sarah was never forced to take any responsiblity and I think Dr Phil saw that she wouldn't. Sarah wants a public life but doesn't want any bad press when she does wrong, Sarah wants a lavish lifestyle but doesn't feel the need like the rest of us to live within her means. Who is going to give her a job, clearly she lies and she isn't a good example of womanhood. To sell things you need to be able to trust the presenter Sarah can longer be trusted. She is going to be in Hello talking about Andrew saving her of course the question arises did he actually pay out from his own purse or just give her advice etc. I would think he had to give out some monies of his own because anything else would have caused a stir. I don't see Sarah changing her ways she has found being the victim pays and I think she will run with it for awhile until the next lot of debts which I think will be sooner rather then later. I can't understand why people keep giving her credit? Especially after last time around when she never paid back people fully they only got so many cents in the pound. I'm not so sure she is going to find getting the things she wants on her own that is why I think she also needs Andrew around. Someone who can pay when she can't! I'm not sure the girls see the real Sarah, they haven't watched the Cash for Access video and refuse too instead they believe Sarah's version of events and that isn't good. Not sure how long it will take them to find out the truth but I hope someone is keeping an eye on their money and what they do with it. Sarah is going to need a new job and I think she may think that Oprah is going to look after her. But Oprah is a businesswoman and Sarah hasn't fared so well with her show. I hope she has other options besides Andrew and the girls or we are going to read a very familiar story before the year is out.
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Its clear her daughters know the truth of the situation and are not convinced of any change in Sarah. Its fascinating how similar Diana's and Sarah's mothering stories are: William is the son who sought to save his mother, Beatrice is the daughter who seeks to save her mother. The bane for every child of a weak parent that leans on the child like an equal.
I would LOVE to know why on Earth the Queen hasn't taken steps to extract the princesses from being taken advantage of like this. It has to stop because there is no way that Beatrice will be able to live a fully healthy life with having her mother depend on her to save her from herself. She needs to be cut loose and protecting Sarah for the sake of the princesses is a slipshod excuse.
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:55 AM
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I don't know what HM could do, really, in all seriousness. Call them in and tell them to not support their mother? The princesses are adults now in any case. They can pretty much do what they want.

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Old 07-25-2011, 05:25 AM
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I think Sarah also put a lot of restrictions on what she would talk about. I don't think her affairs ever came up and all her money problems from before.
I totally agree with this. I kept getting that impression, too. This was not an honest, hard-hitting show. Dr Phil's shows can be harrowing - he gets so close to the bone marrow with his 'guests' (why he is so controversial in some quarters). He came no where near calling Sarah out - when likely every viewer was sitting there saying the very questions he was very uncharacteristically not putting to her. Restrictions had to have been in place. the show suffered as a result.

Maybe Oprah was trying to be too good of a good joe with her - Sarah does cry effectively. I cannot believe that Dr Phil believed his own words at the end. It was not a believable moment - and yet, I wonder about her '10 Minutes' interview - did she think she was following Dr Phil's advice? Its clear she's not insightful - did she take too literally some of what he said? It almost seemed so. She simply does not have the skills to be what she clearly wants to be - celebrity famous and popular - its just not there. She doesn't have what it takes. Being the object of pity gets you only so far. People tire of it.

Sadly, it looks like she is not having continuing therapy - something Dr Phil always makes sure is in place. That's a worry, actually. Unless its happening - just not public - and that's good. She needs some sort of professional support because her 'therapy' does not appear to have 'taken'. This show had a worrisome ending. I really do wish Sarah well but I think she needs to get well and be well in private. This famous stuff is just hammering her regardless that she thinks she wants it.

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Precisely. It was not typical of Dr Phil. He usually zeroes in - and while never really cruel, he is merciless in getting to the core. He did not do any of that.

The show was undone by all the restrictions. Oprah, it seemed, made a bad call with this one. Oooopsie!
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Old 07-25-2011, 07:03 AM
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Please note that posts regarding Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein and the Vanity Fair article have moved to The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy .

Let's get back on topic with Sarah's Interviews and Television Appearances.
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Old 07-25-2011, 07:22 AM
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There is actually a thread about what Sarah got in her divorce. And she clearly has a very bad memory when she is on Oprah and all the other interviews she has done where she says she came away with nothing! Have a read it is very interesting. I do agree the problem is now Sarah just doesn't have any real talent and all her mystic is gone. That has always been an important part of Royalty I believe the mystic. Sarah has let everything hang loose and talks all the time about her great life and her now hard times. Also I don't want to be cruel but Sarah is not and never has been a really attractive woman. She can at times look good but she doesn't have the looks to make it as a television presenter or the personality. Sarah seems to be so self involved I find it hard to believe her being interested in others. For her, her own life seems to be a tragedy she can't look past things and see how much she has had and the opportunities she has been given to see how others really struggle and are still grateful of things even with so little. Her interview with Time showed the real Sarah one who believes she should still be curtsied too and do as she demands. I thought she was very rude and self important far from the funny Fergie who just wants everyone to love her. She clearly had no trouble not pleasing that interviewer and others who don't soft ball the questions and want real answers. Her Hello interview is next I wonder how much she managed to get out of them and I'm interested to see if she did a photoshoot with it and if she says anything new. I doubt we will see anything other then the stock standard answers she has been giving for the past few months.
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:51 AM
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Thanks Tyger for all the information on "Finding Sarah". I don't get the Oprah channel, so found it interesting and informative and very, very sad. It appears that Sarah has accomplished nothing of what she wanted to accomplish and has only succeeded in embarrassing her family, once again.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:16 PM
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I think the reason Andrew keeps bailing out Sarah is to try to keep ahead of her self destruction to avoid embarrassment for the RF and his daughters. I think he feels he has to keep doing this, which, of course, only feeds into Sarah's problems.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:03 PM
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The thing that stood out for me in the Mail article which I linked above, was SF's comments about Beatrice and the stylist. I don't know whether Beatrice is sensitive about this subject, or not, but it seems to me that it is inappropriate for SF to be braying to the press about it. If Beatrice wants to talk about it, that's fine, but I suspect Sarah chose to reveal it w/out Beatrice's consent.
I can just see it playing out - Sarah blabs to the press about the stylist, Beatrice complains and when Sarah doesn't get why Beatrice is upset, Beatrice tells her why and the only thing Sarah hears is that it makes Beatrice look bad fashionwise, so now Sarah is 'fixing' it by again blabbing to the press claiming Beatrice doesn't 'need' a stylist, blah blah blah. The important message, that Sarah should not be discussing her daughter's private life at all, does not occurr to Sarah.
It's one thing for Sarah to expose her every move and misstep to the press - but she should not be discussing or revealing her daughters choices. At some point the girls will have to edit what they tell their mother, since she clearly can't edit herself.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:33 PM
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Well, its natural for parents to talk about their children....so to ask that Sarah doesn't do that about Beatrice (and Eugenie) is to ask her to do something that is not the norm for most parents. Most parents talk about the going ons of the their children quite often.

That being said, I would agree that as usual (or lately) Sarah still doesn't have a clue. I would imagine that she would talk about how proud she is of Beatrice's graduation, her career goals, etc., but to talk about a stylist? A costly stylist at that. Don't get me wrong if Andrew and/or the Queen is paying for the stylist it is certainly their business, but to remind people that Beatrice is paying someone a lot of money to dress her when people manage to do so themselves every day, or are struggling to pay their bills is not so smart. And I am definitely one of those people who don't begrudge people who have money from spending it anyway they like. I just don't think you have to be flashy about it. Beatrice could have had a low key stylist but because Sarah is talking about it...it just adds to the York bashing.
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:40 PM
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How long until she ends up like Winehouse or Marilyn Monroe? If she's losing control, it's likely that she will end up self destructing. She won't be able to end up with more work or end up getting more moeny from endorsements. I just hope to God the princesses get all the help and support they need to get through this.
I highly doubt that Sarah would end up like either woman. She has made it this far, IMO, sucking off the BRF, why should she stop now?
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:50 PM
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Lets end the Amy Winehouse and/or Marilyn Monroe comparisons. Its quite speculative.
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Well, its natural for parents to talk about their children....so to ask that Sarah doesn't do that about Beatrice (and Eugenie) is to ask her to do something that is not the norm for most parents. Most parents talk about the going ons of the their children quite often.

That being said, I would agree that as usual (or lately) Sarah still doesn't have a clue. I would imagine that she would talk about how proud she is of Beatrice's graduation, her career goals, etc., but to talk about a stylist? A costly stylist at that. Don't get me wrong if Andrew and/or the Queen is paying for the stylist it is certainly their business, but to remind people that Beatrice is paying someone a lot of money to dress her when people manage to do so themselves every day, or are struggling to pay their bills is not so smart. And I am definitely one of those people who don't begrudge people who have money from spending it anyway they like. I just don't think you have to be flashy about it. Beatrice could have had a low key stylist but because Sarah is talking about it...it just adds to the York bashing.

There is another, more practical reason for Sarah not mentioning the stylist apart from the cost, and it is this: Stylists sometimes get it wrong! And that leads to increasing column inches about 'sartorial disasters'...I remember encountering Zara at Royal Ascot wearing an ill-fitting one shouldered dress. It was a somewhat unusually choice for her, but I literally can remember thinking at the time: well, Zara's a world-class equestrienne and so she does not HAVE to be fashionable; and then the news broke that this strange frock was the result of a Stylist and the story continued for days afterwards [How can Zara have paid someone so much to make her look so awful etc...?] Best to keep silent if you engage a Stylist: if you look great, well that's marvellous but if the Stylist gets it wrong, no one knows.........
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That's very true but really with regards to the Yorks (Duke, Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie) it has more to do with..........Who is Paying for your Stylist?

My main point is that Sarah in her interview and television appearances should try not to add fuel to the fire as it relates to her daughters. Keep it light and sweet. Don't bring attention to anything that my negatively affect your daughters. And lately, she does it quite often. What kind of controversy can she bring (or add to) by stating Beatrice worked hard for graduation (as it relates to her dyslexia) and we are extremely proud of her.

Instead people will link Sarah's debts, Andrew's air miles image, the York Princesses security costs with the cost of a stylist. Not smart IMO.
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Sarah's a survivor. Despite all her protestations about low self-esteem, I think that she has a very, very strong character. She's able to get up and make speeches and she had the "guts" at one time to court and marry a prince at a time of high press scrutiny.

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I highly doubt that Sarah would end up like either woman. She has made it this far, IMO, sucking off the BRF, why should she stop now?
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The greatest contrast I can think of between Sarah and the BRF members is that they all try to keep 'stories' [even anodyne ones] out of the media and do their level best [albeit unsuccessfully at times!] to make sure that the stories that reach the papers and tv are all officially disseminated by their Press Secretaries and relate mostly to their work and roles, not chit-chat about their fashions etc etc

Sarah by contrast seem to talk the whole time, not just about herself but about as many members of the BRF as she can mention......we've even had her detailed thoughts about Catherine, a person she has never me. Even when Sarah was still married to Andrew and before all the scandal started, she had no sense of discretion - I can remember how she told the BBC about the loos at Windsor Castle and how you pulled the chain 'up' [up from where? from the floor?????] rather than down, and even the BBC journalist was temporarily non-plussed!

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