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Old 07-11-2011, 07:17 PM
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The affair came up obliquely when Dr. Phil asked Sarah whether she had ever *intended* to ruin her marriage or something like that. Sarah said oh, no way, she never *intended* to do anything to ruin her marriage.
Course she didn't intend to but it doesn't change the fact that she did. I wonder why they haven't pressed on this. Are they saving it for later or did Fergie make it off limits, which would completely negate the point of "finding" herself.

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I don't think they would do that. Most grandparents would just suck it up & grin and bear it rather than hurt their granddaughters on the most important day of their lives no matter their feelings about one of the parents.
Sarah will be put on a leash and that's that. She will be told. It's your daughters wedding, it's not about you so keep your mouth shut, avoid the older royals and everything will go nicely.
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The affair came up obliquely when Dr. Phil asked Sarah whether she had ever *intended* to ruin her marriage or something like that. Sarah said oh, no way, she never *intended* to do anything to ruin her marriage.
THIS is why Sarah can say that she is "pure in heart", because she apparently does not see that her actions, if not "intended", are wrong. This is the reasoning of a child and not an adult. How ever she became this stunted in her maturing process is incredible. Her rationale that these things are not "intended" apparently releases her from all responsibility in her behavior in her own mind. Frankly, it sounds like a sociopath, not understanding what is right and what is wrong.
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:56 PM
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This sounds to me like the difference between murder and man-slaughter. Whether the killler "intends" to kill the person or not, the victim is just as dead in either case. The only difference the intention makes is the punishment called for. The grief is the same for the victim's loved ones. The kinds of affairs that Sarah engaged in weren't spur of the moment things. They involved travelling and making plans. She might not have "intended" to ruin her marriage, but she must have intended to have extramarital relations with these men--otherwise they wouldn't have happened!



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The affair came up obliquely when Dr. Phil asked Sarah whether she had ever *intended* to ruin her marriage or something like that. Sarah said oh, no way, she never *intended* to do anything to ruin her marriage.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:26 PM
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It is a bit hard to accidentley or unknowingly have an affair. And she had at least one before she was seperated from Andrew. The toe sucking was tasteless but she was seperated from Andrew at least that was her story. Funny though how she was on holiday with the Royal family when it came to light though! Her whole excuse that Andrew was away and she was lonely was pathetic. She knew she was marrying a navy man and thousands of women who are married to men in the forces still are able to remain faithfull. Sarah actually got to see Andrew more then most women in that situation ever could. It was she who ruined that marriage and given Andrews reputation it is admirable that he stayed faithfull to her. If she isn't willing to work through her bad deeds and clearly she isn't she won't learn anything from this show. Sarah seems to have a justification for everything and everything is someone else's fault. Poor little Sarah was just trying to please......
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:47 PM
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She was separated from Andrew but at Balmoral with the BRF. Do you see a pattern here? What separated woman wants to spend her summer holiday with her in-laws? Granted, her children were there, but still...

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The toe sucking was tasteless but she was seperated from Andrew at least that was her story. Funny though how she was on holiday with the Royal family when it came to light though!
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:05 PM
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THIS is why Sarah can say that she is "pure in heart", because she apparently does not see that her actions, if not "intended", are wrong. This is the reasoning of a child and not an adult. How ever she became this stunted in her maturing process is incredible. Her rationale that these things are not "intended" apparently releases her from all responsibility in her behavior in her own mind. Frankly, it sounds like a sociopath, not understanding what is right and what is wrong.
As I watch clips of the show, I find it hard to tell whether Sarah is pretending to be clueless and childlike to avoid responsibility, or whether she really is clueless and childlike. I think it must be a bit of both. Somewhere deep down inside, she must know that having affairs, selling access to Andrew, is wrong: but if so, she's in deep denial about it. Sarah really does seem to believe that if she has good intentions, then she can do no wrong. But on the other hand, she's upset because she always "gets it wrong" and she wants someone to "heal her." It's confusing. The one thing she can't seem to do is say: "I made a mistake in selling access to Andrew; I won't do it again."
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:14 AM
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I have not seen the interviews of course, but I really think that Sarah is being totally disingenuous. What did she think she was doing when she was cavorting with Steve Wyatt when she was pregnant? Surely it takes only a tiny portion of brain power to work out that this is not consistent with your spousal duties? I hate to say this but the unpalatable truth seems to me that Sarah will now say anything to get money. And as for trying to claim that the Fake Sheikh business was 'all above board' - why set it all up in secret and not take your staff with you if you believe it to be just a normal commerical meeting? Sarah had a very expensive education and knew how to play the rules of the royal game when she was trying to 'hook' Andrew - i.e. behave discreetly, say nothing to the press etc etc. She is now a very mature woman who has had a lot of life experience [and a hell of a lot of life advantages] so how can she now pretend that she is so dumb? I am sorry to say this, but Sarah is coming across as someone who is manipulative and will do and say anything when there is a chance of making money from her words and deeds.


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Old 07-13-2011, 12:35 PM
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Well said Alex, Diarist. This series on Oprah, the subsequent book and all the interviews were a terrible, terrible idea. I don't believe that she will ever recover from it. The more she opens her mouth, the more her true colours show and the more unlikeable she becomes. Even the great Sarah supporters have become silent. The only good thing that I can say is that Sarah has shown the DOE to be a good judge of character.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:47 PM
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This is why the entire crew hired to look after her/help her keep talking about denial and staring at her, waiting for her to see the light. Dr. Phil gave her a chance to admit she knew what "intention" was (she didn't, apparently - which is sort of scary), but he wants to gain her trust so he can help her - the way you'd try to help a kid in trouble.

I feel for the two young princesses, who seem so much more mature than their mother (I hope they are).

I agree that there's no way to have an "unintentional" affair.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:19 PM
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And what kind of judgement does a woman have to "cavort" with a man who knowingly gets sexually involved with her when she's pregnant with her husband's baby? It's as though she's doesn't understand the very basics of decent human behaviour.

No doubt the BRF know a great deal more about Sarah's "indiscretions" than the rest of us and have good reason to not want her around.


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I have not seen the interviews of course, but I really think that Sarah is being totally disingenuous. What did she think she was doing when she was cavorting with Steve Wyatt when she was pregnant?
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:46 PM
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Hopefully, this is a link to her recent interview w/ Time - 10 questions for Sarah Ferguson, where she 'explains' cash for access, talks of remarrying Andrew (not likely she says) and how she is a wonderful mother (and qualified to give the Duchess of Cambridge advice on that subject, but wouldn't presume to advise her on other things.)
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Old 07-13-2011, 04:12 PM
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Hopefully, this is a link to her recent interview w/ Time - 10 questions for Sarah Ferguson, where she 'explains' cash for access, talks of remarrying Andrew (not likely she says) and how she is a wonderful mother (and qualified to give the Duchess of Cambridge advice on that subject, but wouldn't presume to advise her on other things.)
10 Questions for Sarah Ferguson - Video - TIME.com

She seemed very defensive in her responses. We have all made mistakes both big and small but you just have own up to what you have done and deal with what comes from it. No one put a gun to her head and made her do the stupid things she's done. So why should the questions annoy her becaise she should have known they were coming....Just my thoughts!!!
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:08 PM
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She needs to stop doing the interviews. She comes off as anything but a good hearted samaritan. It makes no sense in one sentence she is saying how bad she felt for this guy and she was doing it to help him even though alarm bells were ringing. She met him before that payment she said she spent three hours with him...and still denies she was selling access to Andrew. I've seen the video she is clearly selling access to Andrew. What I found funny was when talking about her love for Andrew she says a story has two sides but it is only ever her talking about her and Andrew never Andrew so we only ever hear her side which is he loves me and I love him but they won't remarry! Going by this she has learn't nothing but she is getting attention and money and I think she is using the whole thing to line her own pockets. So once again her bad behaviour is being rewarded. I expect to see more lapses in her judgement because how else is she going to be able to make money. Sarah comes across as very unlikable and high and mighty in that interview certainly wasn't trying to people please there!
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:36 PM
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I don't think Sarah should "presume" to advise the Duchess of Cambridge on being a mother either. It seems to me that if Catherine has any questions her own mother, who seems to have raised a very nice family would do just fine .... along with the fact Catherine seems to be very grounded person and exhibits excellent common sense, unlike Sarah Ferguson.
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:30 AM
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Does it bother anyone else that Sarah always says what a fantastic mother she is? I mean Andrew and the girls surely deserve some of the credit especially with all the things they have had to deal with because of her. I would think she would be the last person Catherine would go to for any advice.
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My guess is: for Sarah beeing a "fantastic Mom" means .. she didn't leave the country with a lover .... - oh well; maybe that would have been a blessing - compared to the rest.
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I get the feeling from the TIME interview that Sarah didn't expect to be asked the questions that she was asked. I sensed anger under her civilized veneer.
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:49 AM
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The reaction of Sarah in the video when pressed by the interviewer about cash for access was similar to what I saw with Dr. Phil - hostile denial. And in the Time interview Sarah was patronizing, as well, saying "as an editor you should know better." She is the queen of blame shifting (I was set up,) playing the victim card (it was a cruel thing to do) and now - I have been diagnosed with an excuse (addiction to approval.) When none of that works and the interviewer asks probing questions, Sarah gets angry and mean. I posted the link, partly to see if others felt that Sarah seemed not so nice in it (as was my feeling.)
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Sarah's predicament could be solved quite easily.

If everyone stops writing and posting about her, worldwide, she would lack the "oxygen" needed for perpetuating her personal soap opera.
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:56 AM
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The reaction of Sarah in the video when pressed by the interviewer about cash for access was similar to what I saw with Dr. Phil - hostile denial. And in the Time interview Sarah was patronizing, as well, saying "as an editor you should know better." She is the queen of blame shifting (I was set up,) playing the victim card (it was a cruel thing to do) and now - I have been diagnosed with an excuse (addiction to approval.) When none of that works and the interviewer asks probing questions, Sarah gets angry and mean. I posted the link, partly to see if others felt that Sarah seemed not so nice in it (as was my feeling.)
Perhaps the thing we're overlooking in this entire thing is what Sarah expected the outcome of this "Finding Sarah" journey to do for her. I'm seriously wondering if she believed that it's sole purpose would be to paint her in a "good" light and for the media to "fawn" all over her. When some sensitive question is put before her, one that she prefers not to talk about, she gets on the defensive as if "how dare you ask me that! That's something I don't want to talk about". If this is what her goal was, she was going more after a good self image with the public and heck with the self esteem. It was as if she wanted all these people do do a "makeover" on her and shape her into someone she should be.

The sad thing is we're seeing all this in Sarah after she went on this life changing journey. I think Sarah still needs to get honest with herself and realize that she's just another human being on the face of this planet and its not titles, money, who you know or what you buy that defines who you are.
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