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Old 03-17-2016, 08:49 PM
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Interesting that Sarah founded a charity in 1993 to help children in Asia & Africa.

I have to admit I never heard of her creating this charity or any of her personal charity work until very recently. (Only within the past year or two.)

I wonder why the media fell to mention this, especially during the 1990s when all they did was trash her.

Why was/is Sarah's charity work overlooked?
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:04 PM
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It's because the "in" thing to do in the 90's was to bash Sarah, especially in comparison to the then teflon Princess of Wales. I vividly remember the Brit rags calling Sarah a "bad mum" in comparison to Diana because Sarah dared to want to spend some private time with her husband without taking along baby Beatrice. They had a field day.

Sarah brought much of the bad publicity upon herself but it was quite over-the-top vicious the way the British media treated her.
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:45 PM
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Depends on whether you regard them as having been a true couple, committed and in love. I'm afraid I always got the vibe that Manuel was one of those men who act as 'walkers' or 'handbags' for unattached ladies on social occasions. There are several men on the Sydney society scene who are known for being similarly obliging if women need an escort at an important event, and they are friends rather than lovers, often going on trips and so on together.
I might buy into your theory if there weren't pictures of them holding hands. As well as pictures with their arms wrapped around one another while they snuggled. Like this one - http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...71gv9jIGVY.jpg
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:29 PM
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Holding hands and giving each other a cuddle is nothing nowadays. Friends do that. Especially if it suits both that a certain impression be given to others.
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:32 PM
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Depends on whether you regard them as having been a true couple, committed and in love. I'm afraid I always got the vibe that Manuel was one of those men who act as 'walkers' or 'handbags' for unattached ladies on social occasions. There are several men on the Sydney society scene who are known for being similarly obliging if women need an escort at an important event, and they are friends rather than lovers, often going on trips and so on together.



Me too. I really don't think he is interested in any serious relationship with any woman...
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:37 PM
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Sure... Toe sucking is nothing, too. Friends do that. Clearly John Bryan was platonic just like Manuel Fernandez.

I think Andrew/Sarah shippers are blind to the fact that both have dated other people. The Yorks have a wonderful, close friendship. That doesn't mean every other man she is seen with is just a "walker" while she secretly plans her second wedding to Andrew.
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:42 PM
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No, Bryant and Wyatt weren't platonic.

With reference to Manuel/Fergie, not everything that appears on Twitter over the years is rubbish. Sometimes people know the individuals concerned one way or another, and drop a hint or two. Plus, personally, I couldn't care less how many lovers she has. She'll never be in the BRF again and if she has a dozen at a time, fine. She's a private citizen.

I don't believe that Fergie, for all her faults is a calculating schemer, and I certainly don't think she and Andrew want to remarry. I think they're quite happy the way things are.

Plus, Andrew is extraordinarily unpopular in Britain for one reason or another, and his ex wife's reputation is even worse if possible, so they would hardly be doing each other a huge favour by marrying again!
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:58 PM
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No, Bryant and Wyatt weren't platonic.

With reference to Manuel/Fergie, not everything that appears on Twitter over the years is rubbish. Sometimes people know the individuals concerned one way or another, and drop a hint or two.
Sure seems like rubbish to me. I'm very familiar with these notorious 'hints'. It reminds me of the rumors that Tim is just a walker for Anne, while she has a secret relationship with Andrew Parker-Bowles. Or the rumors that Nico was just a walker for Pippa, while she pursued unnamed titled men. Or the rumors that Donna is a beard for James. And Sophie is just a beard for Edward. Or the rumors that while William and Catherine were dating, she was just a friend and cover to hide William's real girlfriend. Or all the people who claim Harry and Cressida were just friends, that he used her for a more mature image, while she used him to jump start her career. Or the people that to this day question the legitimacy of Beatrice and Dave's relationship even though they've been together 10 years.

You call it "people in the know". I call it conspiracy theories run amok. When people act like they're in a relationship, there's a darn good chance they're in one.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:00 PM
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Don't believe any of the above and I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist!
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:17 PM
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Don't believe any of the above and I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist!
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Holding hands and giving each other a cuddle is nothing nowadays. Friends do that. Especially if it suits both that a certain impression be given to others.
The bolded sure seems like a conspiracy to me.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:33 PM
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Well, you can believe what you like, Miss Whirley. And so can I. That's the joy of an opinions forum.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:35 PM
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Well, you can believe what you like, Miss Whirley. And so can I. That's the joy of an opinions forum.
Indeed. You have a right to your conspiracy theories.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:45 PM
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You seem determined to argue with and debate virtually every post I write, something I find quite amusing!

No, not a conspiracy theory. I don't care about Fergie enough. I well remember her engagement, her wedding day, her inability to behave properly as a working Royal, her behaviour as her marriage disintergrated, dragging the Royal family's reputation into the mud. Fergie has her good points, but IMO she's a flakey and eccentric woman.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:05 AM
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You seem determined to argue with and debate virtually every post I write, something I find quite amusing!

No, not a conspiracy theory. I don't care about Fergie enough.
Well, your first sentence sounds like another conspiracy theory.
No, not a conspiracy theory. I don't care about you enough.

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I well remember her engagement, her wedding day, her inability to behave properly as a working Royal, her behaviour as her marriage disintergrated, dragging the Royal family's reputation into the mud. Fergie has her good points, but IMO she's a flakey and eccentric woman.
That doesn't mean she's unlovable. She and Andrew didn't work for a variety of reasons. But so far it looks like Mr. Fernandez is making her quite happy. I'm not saying they're super serious, but I won't call them a ruse, either.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:12 AM
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Well, I reciprocate your feelings towards me, so we're even. And why see conspiracies where there aren't any?

I have said Fergie has her good points. However, as a member of the BRF she was an unmitigated disaster.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:35 AM
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Interesting that Sarah founded a charity in 1993 to help children in Asia & Africa.

I have to admit I never heard of her creating this charity or any of her personal charity work until very recently. (Only within the past year or two.)

I wonder why the media fell to mention this, especially during the 1990s when all they did was trash her.

Why was/is Sarah's charity work overlooked?
I've seen mention of it. The charity she founded in the US about a decade ago ran into financial troubles and was shut down (none of the money went to the good works the charity was supposed to be supporting.) The original one she founded seems to still be going - the big dinner she gave for the staff of the original charity at Windsor last year was covered in the press at the time and Andrew and one or maybe both her daughters attended.
Interesting that neither Andrew or her daughters appear to have attended this event. Usually there are photos of other known attendees to these events - yet I only see Manuel and the artist who painted Sarah's pix - are there any reports of who the guests where?
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Old 03-18-2016, 01:21 AM
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The papers turned on her early in her royal career. IIRC she was criticized for skiing while early in her pregnancy with Beatrice; i.e., less than two years after her marriage. This article from PEOPLE was from November 1989. Flowers Abroad, Flak at Home : People.com


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Old 03-18-2016, 01:34 AM
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You seem determined to argue with and debate virtually every post I write, something I find quite amusing!

No, not a conspiracy theory. I don't care about Fergie enough. I well remember her engagement, her wedding day, her inability to behave properly as a working Royal, her behaviour as her marriage disintergrated, dragging the Royal family's reputation into the mud. Fergie has her good points, but IMO she's a flakey and eccentric woman.

Totally agree with all your points. Selling time with Andrew was one of her lowest points. Having her little girls present while her lover sucked her toes in public was up there too. I also think she knows lots and that's why she has been looked after by Andrew my conspiracy theory which I'm sure miss whirley won't like. 😃


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Old 03-18-2016, 02:19 AM
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The papers turned on her early in her royal career. IIRC she was criticized for skiing while early in her pregnancy with Beatrice; i.e., less than two years after her marriage. This article from PEOPLE was from November 1989. Flowers Abroad, Flak at Home : People.com
The press were always after her, some for fair reasons, but most for unfair reasons.

The only two legitimate criticisms I can think of pre-1992 marriage separation, were the claims that she didn’t turn over all the charity money she helped raise by writing books, instead keeping most for herself. Secondly, when she used Buckingham Palace to host a business meeting between her oil-tycoon, lover, Wyatt and an oil minister from Iraq. I put the latter on the same level as trying to sell Andrew in 2010. Shady dealings.

But the rest was really vicious and petty. Attacking her for her weight - misogyny. Attacking her for wearing short skirts - misogyny. Attacking her for enjoying London’s nightlife on a regular basis. Every time she went clubbing at Annabel’s the press asked why she wasn’t at home with her young daughters, and brought up that she had four nannies, and implied she was a bad mother. The press didn’t have a problem with the royal men spending their nights socializing away from their children. They didn’t blame the four nannies on Andrew, they didn’t question his fatherly love - sexism.

The press went out of their way to link her name to her friend Peter Brant, when he was imprisoned for tax fraud. Even though she had nothing to do with the incident. That would be like blaming William and Harry for Guy Pelly having his DUI. In the years she gave birth, the press downplayed that she was on maternity leave, and instead wrote insulting articles about how she was only doing 1/3 of Diana’s workload and 1/7 of Anne’s. They omitted that her workload was very similar to the other women on the years they gave birth, in some cases hers were higher - double standards.

Sarah was definitely a victim, it’s all a matter of if you see her as a sympathetic victim or not.
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I think the things you mention are more than shady and she got off lightly


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