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Old 05-24-2010, 02:03 PM
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Okay i'm sorry but you cannot compare the funeral of Princess Diana to the divorce settlement of Sarah and Andrew and her catastrophic mistakes afterwards.

In the eyes of the Queen, Diana was certainly not perfect, in fact Sarah was better, she never went to the press, she never tried to sell her story, she never tried to through herself down the stairs when she was pregnant with Bea or Eugenie.
I'm sorry but for Ģ3,000 a month i would go away. I would make my own life and I would deal with my circumstances.
Sarah, as Zonk said had to change her lifestyle because she did not have the same amount of income. However, she wouldn't, she wanted to keep her royal lifestyle, and if she had handled her money and invested in the right places, maybe she could have.

The Queen should NOT have to sort out and play off another problem of someone who has nothing to do with her. It is SARAH who got herself into this mess and SARAH should get herself out.

It wasn't Dianas fault she died in that tunnel, and the Queen came under huge amounts of pressure to fly the flag at half-mast, to give her a full blown funeral. I see none of the same pressure for Sarah.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:05 PM
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Okay..we are talking a divorce and a funeral.

Are you saying the Queen paid for Diana's divorce? I think the reason Diana's funeral happened the way it did because of Blair and public opinion. If Diana died now, the same events would not have happened.

From what I understand teh Queen has always liked Sarah. THe Queen isn't the problem. Sarah is the problem. At some point, you have to stop playing the victim and having a Groundhog day moment. Stop repeating the same mistakes. You make 40K a year...you live a 40K a year lifestyle. Its simple.

I said it once and I stand by it. The economic turmoil has been brutal to alot of people of various classes. We have all had to make adjustments to our way of life. Why couldn't Sarah do the same? The first time it happens, its a mistake and we all applaud her for getting out of debt. The same time it happens..you got to ask yourself...did you learn anything from the first occurence?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:10 PM
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It is obvious that Sarah learned Nothing from her first experience and I am quite certain that she never will.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:20 PM
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Okay..we are talking a divorce and a funeral.

Are you saying the Queen paid for Diana's divorce? I think the reason Diana's funeral happened the way it did because of Blair and public opinion. If Diana died now, the same events would not have happened.

From what I understand teh Queen has always liked Sarah. THe Queen isn't the problem. Sarah is the problem. At some point, you have to stop playing the victim and having a Groundhog day moment. Stop repeating the same mistakes. You make 40K a year...you live a 40K a year lifestyle. Its simple.

I said it once and I stand by it. The economic turmoil has been brutal to alot of people of various classes. We have all had to make adjustments to our way of life. Why couldn't Sarah do the same? The first time it happens, its a mistake and we all applaud her for getting out of debt. The same time it happens..you got to ask yourself...did you learn anything from the first occurence?
Ditto Zonk- we all made adjustments Sarah just cannot- and all I thought was- maybe the Queen could straighten her out but that is not how it works- so I agree-
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:22 PM
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Not a problem Jaya. You have been around the board for a while...so you know i have defended Sarah to the ends of the earth when I thought she was being picked on. I just can't find any excuses for this lapse of judgement. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:24 PM
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Me either. I think you mean not Diana's threats of suicide but her ultimate outcome - n'est pas?
As you said NotaPretender i was thinking about Diana ultimate outcome and not her suicide idea regarding Sarah...But i think thatīs wrong of Sarah to make money by selling Prince Andrew..
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:26 PM
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Not a problem Jaya. You have been around the board for a while...so you know i have defended Sarah to the ends of the earth when I thought she was being picked on. I just can't find any excuses for this lapse of judgement. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:35 PM
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I have to say I'm going to be keenly tuned in to see how things unfold. I've always liked Sarah, admired her tenacity and spunk. I hope she can muddle through this one.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:44 PM
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Duchessmary...I think thats why most Americans (most I said) have liked her. Even if you read teh comments on the Daily Mail most people (or they were in the morning) were supportive blaming the newspaper, etc.

I hope she can rebound from this but I certainly think she needs to change her life style, and how she tackles problems and distances herself from the BRF. Stop talking about you and Andy are good friend, its great you are friends and we all know. Stop talking about how much admiration you have for the Queen, especially since actions speak louder than words and your recent actions don't show that.

You are a good mother, and you have an excellent creative talent. Young Victoria was great. Focus on that and your books. And she does excellent work with her charities. Most people forget that Sarah has good qualities because the negative qualities are so loud and in your face.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:45 PM
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One difference from Sarah's previous indiscretions is that Beatrice & Eugenie may have a greater influence on her behaviour as they steadilycome to terms with the expectations surrounding their roles in TRF. It's clear they are a close, & Sarah may be able to confide in them - it's certainly difficult to see her taking advice /trusting anyone else in the Royal Family now, & sadly, that probably includes Andrew.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:48 PM
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Sarah always looks bad but somehow she has managed to look like the victim to some (myself included). Honestly, I am not sure she can over come this...how many times can you be down and out and rise like a phoenix.

Morevor, on the Today this morning, a journalist this morning said she offered to arrange a meeting with Andrew with at least three people. No official proof, but if this is true...Goodness! It makes one wonder how often she has done this..is this the first time?

It makes me think of the unnamed Palace sources who described her as "vulgar vulgar vulgar." At the time I thought they were evil, did not support her and totally over dramatizing her actions. But now, not so sure. She brought shame on herself, her children and cause unncessary drama for HM The Queen, someone she adores and would be crushed if she let her down. How do you feel now?

I used to love Sarah warts and all but this is unforgiveable. She is like a child who refuses to grow up.
I never saw Sarah as just a victim, not back in the 90s and not now. She often refuses to listen to advice and insists on doing things her own way, which has sometimes turned out to be a good choice and sometimes has gotten her into enormous trouble. I defend her when journalists purposely pick on her and distort the truth, because they do, often. But in this case she has made everyone who has defended her look silly and her critics seem vindicated, which makes me a little angry with her to be honest. Sarah isn't 30, she's 50, she should have and did know better.

But unforgiveable? I wouldn't even say that of someone I disliked. If a person is unforgiveable then there is no point in that person ever trying to do any good in the world again. Sarah has done a lot of things in her life, some good, some bad, just like all of us (it's just that with Sarah both the successes and mistakes seem to be more spectacular). She has supported charities, she paid off her debts once before, she maintained a friendship with her ex-husband, she helped produce a movie. At the end of the day Sarah messed up (again), and she can't go back and change it. Now she can either go away and never be seen and heard from again, or she can do what she did last night and show up at an awards presentation for a children's charity, where people seemed to be genuinely happy that she turned up.

I mean, she has to go on. Sarah still has commitments to charities and there are still people who value her support. Now that she has done this is she supposed to hide for the rest of her life? I can't see that happening.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:48 PM
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Sarah Ferguson issues apology after claims she offered access to Prince Andrew for cash - hellomagazine.com (24/05/2010).
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:10 PM
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Had she been given a decent divorce settlement invested to ensure that she couldn't go through it she would be in a better position.
Why should the royals get involved? Simple - two members of the Royal Family are her daughters. As the mother of two princesses of the blood royal she can't stay below the radar as she will be at major public functions simply because they are her daughters.
Bullocks! Sarah made a TON of money off her books, engagements, spokesperson contracts, etc. and here she still is again, spending and getting herself into trouble.
The problem, as I see it, with Sarah offering as the go-between is that it opens a whole kettle of rotten fish. If Prince Andrew can be seen as "Being Bought" then his reputation will be at risk in his career of Trade Envoy. Is that something anybody wants to see happen?
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It is obvious that Sarah learned Nothing from her first experience and I am quite certain that she never will.
I agree Udyusa. Why would HM want to REWARD bad behavior by giving Sarah money??
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:14 PM
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If it's exchange for good behaviour and silence, I think that Sarah might go for the deal. If she talks or embarrasses the Queen again, she loses all financial support.


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Old 05-24-2010, 03:27 PM
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Here is a woman who will be 51 in October 2010. She seems to be searching for something but I doubt even she knows what it is. She said some years ago she would like to remarry and have another child but whether she was really serious or just teasing the press who knows. She is never going to let go of her title Duchess of York and be plain Sarah SMITH again. The gravy train ain't going no where. In a few months time all will be forgot and she will be back to her old tricks again.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:32 PM
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If it's exchange for good behaviour and silence, I think that Sarah might go for the deal. If she talks or embarrasses the Queen again, she loses all financial support.
How can you trust her? She's got a history of bad behavior and she certainly didn't keep her mouth shut in her autobiography.
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I have a feeling that this will swept away and some financial consideration given. This woman is an uncontrolled powder keg. What the RF will not be able to stand is if in her desperation for money Sarah really writes a tell-all book about the whole family, including Princess Diana. She knows enough to rock the world.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:07 PM
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All I can say is shame on her. If Andrew is behind this, then she should know better than agreeing to this kind of stuff cause it would blow up on HER face like it just did, and if he isn't then is worst cause she is not only making money out of the prince's name but being a liar and a thief

At the end of the day, yes her public image suffers, but also the monarchys', although we as royal watchers understand she is no longer asociated with them, except by her daughters, the general public doesn't and this will be bad publicity for the BRF
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I have a suspicion there may be a backdoor deal going on here. Sarah will take all the heat and shame for this, and Andrew and Co. will help sort out her financial mess. I do not believe that Andrew is entirely innocent, I just cant. This seems like something that both Andrew and Fergie would agree to, at least to a certain extent.

Sarah has self-destructed again. She built up a rather good life for herself and did some pretty decent things, but not she has kicked it in the butt. It will definitely be hard to start all over, again. As long as Andrew is protected from this, I think in a few months time we will have a calmer and tamer Sarah. Simply because I think her daughters and ex-husband will put a stop to her flashy ways.

The York Princess's no longer need mummy and daddy to play happy families anymore, the relationship between Sarah and Andrew is going to have to be redefined. Either remarry, or move out and apart. I like Sarah and I'm sure she will bounce back somewhat and not just disappear completely, she doesnt have a choice really. Her daughters will be in the public eye for the rest of their lives and I don't think they will tolerate a loose canon mother embarrassing the future roles they will create for themselves.
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