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Old 06-03-2010, 04:31 AM
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With regard to the surname, I know it is purely by custom that a woman changes her surname to that of her husband's on marriage, but it's not a legal obligation to do so and it's not like you're changing your name by deed-pole which allows you to legally give up your previous name. Therefore, I personally believe that a woman's surname given at brith is always available for use without question - especially as it's on her birth certificate!
On divorce, I think woman have the choice to revert back to their birth name or keep their married name. My mother decided to keep her married name after divorce simply because she had used it for more years than she did her birth name and had got used to it!
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:27 AM
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^I don't have a problem with her keeping her divorced woman style. That's really the only identity she has and in term of professional opportunities, she needs it.
What I have a problem with is her acting as if this style still confers her royal status. Like when she said to Oprah: 'I was trying to be The Duchess of York'.
Darling, that ship has long sailed.

Anyway, something Sarah might use if it ever goes to a parliamentary enquiry (for background, this concern John's Terry dad, who was exposed as a drug dealer as part of a NoTW sting, but was only given a slap on the wrist for an offense that usually carries long jail sentences):

News of the World story on John Terry's dad was entrapment, says judge
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"It is a very, very clear case of entrapment solely to create a newspaper story," [Judge] Mitchell told the court, as he spared Terry from a prison sentence.

"The facts in this case are highly unusual. In fact the offence was actually created by the actions of the newspaper sending a journalist to set you up. It is clearly an entrapment case and the only reason they did this was to create a story because of your connections to a well known footballer," the judge added.
Mods: I am not trying to go OT here, I just though this very similar case could benefit the discussion.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:46 AM
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Duchess of York faces US backlash following Oprah appearance - Telegraph

there is no end to her self centeredness and greed
Reading the article I can't see one reason why she'd be important to tourism in Charlottesville, VA which is in my neck of the woods but I can certainly understand folks backing out from having her due to the credibility she's lost over this past couple of weeks.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:56 AM
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Wasn't this thing (sting) supposedly set up because of rumors already circulating that Sarah has done this before? What I'd like to know is why NoTW started this in the first place.

Living in the US, when I divorced I had to specifically put into the agreement that I wished to return to my maiden name. This perhaps is the reason why I asked about surnames.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:33 AM
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This is such a sad story. She acted very disgraceful not only towards the royal family but also - and even more - towards her daughters and her ex-husband. How can she look into her daugthers eyes now after all this? I think the girls love her very much. How can she disregard their feelings? Unbelievable. There is no excuse for such a bad behaviour, neither drunkeness or money problems. She really should consider some of treatment for her own sake so that she can cope with her financial situation. She no longer is a royal - she should not act like one.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:02 AM
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The Queen offered to buy her a house after the divorce, she didnīt buy it? Why? The house that burnt was because she left a candle burning when she went out, but it was rented.
The Queen didn't offer to buy Sarah a house as part of the divorce settlement. The Queen offered to buy a house for her granddaughters, it was to be put in Beatrice and Eugenie's names. A house was selected, not by Sarah but by the Queen's advisors as well as the police in that it had to be secure. Sarah declined the house because she would be the one who had to pay for the upkeep and she couldn't afford to. The house was large and would need staff to run it.

The house that suffered smoke damage to the toilet was the house that Sarah rented near Windsor. She moved permanently into Royal Lodge while repairs were being done, the lease ran out she never moved back in. From when Andrew first moved into Royal Lodge Sarah had a suite of rooms there so she could stay overnight with her daughters, her rented houses were not secure enough according to the PPOs.

Sarah also rents an apartment in New York, I think that's what she meant by the fact that she couldn't pay her rent. Contrary to how it appears in the media, she does spend a lot of her time in the US, more than what she spends in the UK, so it's not that she lives fulltime at the Royal Lodge.

What her living arrangements will be from now on is anybody's guest. Strangely absent is 'the other man' who is normally seen around Sarah, the Norwegian Findus heir.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:39 AM
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...She no longer is a royal...
If you saw the interview with Oprah, you'd have seen that going to commercials it was flashed with Oprah's signature and the name Sarah Ferguson and underneath Duchess of York. I'm the oddball of 1 out of 10,000 in the US that knows she is styled as a Duchess of York and not THE Duchess of York. Joe the plumber has no clue and associates the title with the monarchy rather than know that she once was THE Duchess. As long as both Andrew and Sarah are close.. that is how they're going to see her. The problem I think is that as Sarah said in the interview she was keeping up with a courtesy title and still trying in her own way to live up to it and failed. I do believe her love for Andrew and their daughters is very sincere and as she said "unconditionally"
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:52 AM
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No one can learn to live with being criticised all the time with no positive comments. The uncaring comments that have been passed about Sarah on here and elsewhere since 1986 would make anyone who was born into the public life despair but a woman who came to it in adult life would never truly cope.
There hasn't been this much bad publicity on anybody since the days they used to go after Yoko Ono.............only this is a bit worse.I think after a certain time frame it has just become a way of life to attack Sarah and vent.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:55 AM
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Best summary, IMO

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3) Sarah has had the ability to work and has done so, VERY WELL I might add since their divorce. Is it Andrew or the Queen's fault that after many years, she STILL DOESN"T know how to live within her means?

If there was a "I bow to you" emoticon that I could post here, I would.

All the rest is noise and jockeying and defending the indefensible. Sarah is not only of age, she's spent a lifetime letting money pour through her hands like water. No matter if it's $20K USD or millions USD per year - at the end of every cycle, she's broke and blaming.

That, sadly, is her legacy. Not her girls - the fact that she has squandered millions, has absolutely nothing to show for it, and yet finds it expedient to shove the blame elsewhere.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:03 PM
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And where is the Norwegian?
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:15 PM
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There hasn't been this much bad publicity on anybody since the days they used to go after Yoko Ono.............only this is a bit worse.I think after a certain time frame it has just become a way of life to attack Sarah and vent.
I am a sympathetic person by nature and always tend to give a person the benefit of a doubt, unless that person has totally exhausted both doubt and my patience! I grant you that Sarah was pilloried by the British press early in her marriage and much of it was uncalled for in my opinion. What we have at present is different; as many posters have pointed out, this is Sarah's second or third go round on the redemption trail. She must own up to her financial failure, see to it that if she cannot manage her affairs, then someone else must do so for her benefit, and go forth and sin no more! I don't think people are being gratuitously unkind on this thread. Just the opposite-- I think they are fed up with Sarah's behavior which seems to get worse instead of better.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:20 PM
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Quite right, people are completely fed up of Sarah's ridiculour behaviour. I thought her attitude and line of argument on the Oprah show was deplorable. She really needs to look at the facts for herself in the cold light of day
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:28 PM
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I thought she said that the princesses and Prince Andrews love for her was unconditional not the other way round.
About the house, the first house after the divorce thought about was a refurbishment of Royal Lodīge (if I remember rightly) but both Prince Andrew and Sarah it would cost too much in upkeep. She rented a house but it was empty for ages, it is much cheaper and more luxurious to live a surrogate royal life with Andrew, and he is kind enough to let her.
In Starkieīs book he said that Romenda Lodge, her rented house was more or less home to John Bryan as well, and that John Bryan was absolutely certain that Sarah would marry him. Mr Fish fingers seems to have disappeared. What has happened to the kind offer of Princess Beatriceīs boyfriend to pay the debts. I imagine he has had a look at Sarahīs account books and it has made him think hard. Sarah seems to have got herself into a right mess this time.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:58 PM
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No one can learn to live with being criticised all the time with no positive comments.
President Bush did.
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So here's my rhetorical question...
Why hadn't someone close to her (friends, advisers, ex-husband, children, accountant, business associates) insisted she get professional assistance in managing her financial affairs?
Because she doesn't really have a true friend. It's kind of like Michael Jackson in a way, everybody sucking off her.
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There hasn't been this much bad publicity on anybody since the days they used to go after Yoko Ono.............only this is a bit worse.I think after a certain time frame it has just become a way of life to attack Sarah and vent.
This is quite a bit different. Yoko never did something like this. She kept John away from a reconciliation with the Beatles and cats in heat sang better than she but she never did this sort of thing.

And Wisteria regarding the "GB" necklace, I agree: What sort of father would DARE do that? Reminds me of the courtier who said "Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar!"
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And Wisteria regarding the "GB" necklace, I agree: What sort of father would DARE do that? Reminds me of the courtier who said "Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar!"
Okay, Russo dear, what does the "GB" stand for?? If you cannot say it out loud, whisper it to me.
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:46 PM
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i think everyone is being quite harsh on sarah.

yes, she is having money problems. big deal. i believe now in crisis times, so many people have them. 20k british pounds per year is really not much for an ex-royal allowance.

yes, she got money for introducing andrew to x, y and z. big deal: should andrew not have wanted to befriend these people, it was very much up to him. sarah didn't put a gun in front of him to get them favours of any kind. she just introduced them - i introduce people all the time.

yes, she also got money from it. how is this any different to receiving money to participate in a show, from receiving clothes from a certain brand for free, from getting a holiday offered on a luxurious yatch because of your royal status or from other kinds of advantages royals get because of just being royals? all these favours come with an intention behind them: the brand will be more popular, the yatch will be booked up the next summer and the show will have a higher audience. it's not only the royal who benefits. besides, sarah's personal finances are no-one's business but sarah's. where she gets her money from is none of our business.

people make mistakes. what's worse is that, i bet beatrice, eugenie and andrew don't care about any of this: they love sarah and probably admitted what she did was wrong and judged how criticised sarah was being. if they don't care, why would we?
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i think everyone is being quite harsh on sarah...
Actually Carlota I think you have made a good list of the reasons why Sarah doesnīt want to let go of the royal life style. Actually her personal finances are none of our business at all, but she keeps shoving them in front of us and whining about them and giving the impression that the Queen should help her out. I for one think the Queen has done a lot for her and it would be graceful on Sarahīs part to leave her out of this mess, which really she has no one else to blame for but herself.

Most children love their mothers,but it is a bit unusual for an ex-husband to love his ex-wife unconditionally, but that is what she said, so we have to try and believe that she knows what she is talking about even though she doesn't know much about living within her means
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