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Old 05-30-2010, 04:59 AM
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Or married to Henry VIII. She would have been beheaded as Anne Boleyn was.

It may be odd but my gut is telling me that maybe deep down she's enjoying all this attention she's been getting this past week and milking it for all it can be worth.
Oh it is certainly not odd.
I can truely believe that everytime "Sarah Ferguson" is mentioned on the news or in paper, there are pound signs in her eyes.
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Old 05-30-2010, 05:31 AM
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Her annual amount from Andrew is 30,000 pounds and I know that I couldn't live on that so I mustn't be a reasonable person. At the current rate of exchange that works out at about 2/3s what I earn with 3 degrees and 30 years experience as a teacher. I am comfortable now but I would struggle if I had to survive on 2/3 of what I now earn and that is what you are suggesting for Sarah.

The rest of the figures quoted are rather furphies as much of it is for her daughters or has never been given for one reason or another e.g. the house was never bought. All she really has is 30,000 pounds a year and that is not very much at all, particularly for the ex-wife of the Queen's second son.

Divorce settlement's are also supposed to ensure that the spouses can continue to live an equal life style not one living in luxury and the other in a basic house with the occasional treat.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:19 AM
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Sarah Ferguson is unbelievably cheeky to ask after this scandal more money from her exhusband, whom she divorced 14 years ago! Btw. it was she, who found a lover while married, not Andrew. She is adult and single, so what about to earn money by herself? And she did it, she had contract with Weight Watchers and wrote some books, but it wasnīt still enough for her. She manages badly her money and got used to live beyond her income. Now her popularity is fading, so she tries to milk her exhusband. Even if she would gain more money from Andrew (I hope not), it will never be enough for her.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:29 AM
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She pointed out the fact that as Sarah has lived under the same roof as Andrew for much of the period since their divorce she could easily be considered a 'common law' or 'de facto' wife and thus is entitled to a new settlement now based on his current wealth if they decide to cease co-habitating.
Which goes to prove that a good deed never goes unpunished.
Utterly ironic that Andrew could theoretically get fleeced for an act of generosity.
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Divorce settlement's are also supposed to ensure that the spouses can continue to live an equal life style not one living in luxury and the other in a basic house with the occasional treat.
And this is the biggest load of nonsense (not saying that you are wrong, just that this principle is outrageous).
Systems like that rewards gold-diggers.

A woman who marries a rich man isn't a rich woman. She's a woman who married a rich man, period.
She should get out of the marriage as privately wealthy (or not) as she went in unless she contributed significantly to the marital income/her husband's career or gave up promising professional prospects to devote herself to her family.

The age of kept women is over!
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Old 05-30-2010, 07:43 AM
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Statistics indicate that divorced woman are significantly worse off after their divorce than those who stay married particularly later in life or if they have no skills to earn a living, such as Sarah.
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Old 05-30-2010, 07:43 AM
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And this is the biggest load of nonsense (not saying that you are wrong, just that this principle is outrageous).
Systems like that rewards gold-diggers.
I agree. I think alimony should be paid just for children, or expartner taking care of young children or expartner who is invalid or ill so much, that s/he isnīt able to work and earn money themselves. I donīt understand the principle of alimony for adult and healthy exwives/husbands. It is quite logical and natural that married couple has common money, but if you are not a married couple anymore, then everyone has to manage by themselves. Letīs take an example of Sarah Ferguson - she was married 10 years and has been receiving money from her exhusband already for 14 years and will receive it probably until the end of her life. Many people simply abuse their exes like a convenient source of income.
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Why did she take a lover though? Because her husband was never around, she was pillored from pillar to post by the press and the public and was depressed due to a whole lot of reasons, most of which relate to her husband's absences.

No marriage fails due to the actions of one partner - both are responsible for its failure - just the symptons appear differently - Andrew's absences were due to his naval career but he could have applied for a shore posting to sort out his marriage - he is a much to blame for the failure of the marriage as she is and that is now the view of the courts and legislatures, except where there are obvious signs of abuse.
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Old 05-30-2010, 07:55 AM
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Statistics indicate that divorced woman are significantly worse off after their divorce than those who stay married particularly later in life or if they have no skills to earn a living, such as Sarah.
So they should stay married (and not ruin their marriages by entanglements with lover, as Sarah), or come to terms with the fact that if they donīt want to live with their husbands anymore, so they canīt use their money anymore, but have to earn it themselves (or marry again to other rich man).
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So a person who is unhappy should stay in those circumstances - and be miserable forever, just so that they can be financially secure.
Fortunately the western world has moved on from that medieval and early modern approach to marriage and realises that a woman contributes to a marriage in many ways other than financially and should be able to maintain her lifestyle after leaving an unhappy marriage. This is the case for ordinary people and should also apply to the rich, which is why many rich wives get settlements in the millions of pounds/dollars etc even when they started with nothing much.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:04 AM
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She should not have to stay married to a man who was never around, and in a situation that made her un-happy just because of money.
Okay, maybe Sarah's divorce settlement wasn't that great, but she has earned a fair bit since, she just does not know how to control her money and save it. Someone needs to control it for her.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:05 AM
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Statistics indicate that divorced woman are significantly worse off after their divorce than those who stay married particularly later in life or if they have no skills to earn a living, such as Sarah.
So what?
Long is gone the time when women had no access to education and career opportunities.
Andrew isn't responsible for Sarah having no skills. She isn't a minor or somehow incapacitated.
In the 14 years since her divorce she could have pursued an higher education and gained skills, instead of aimlessly jet-setting around.
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Fortunately the western world has moved on from that medieval and early modern approach to marriage...
Imo your conceptions are a remnant from pre-feminist advancements for women, and not at all progressive as you seek to present them.
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Being close friends with Elton John is a very dangerous thing. After all, he is the man who spent half a million a year on flowers.
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Being close friends with Elton John is a very dangerous thing. After all, he is the man who spent half a million a year on flowers.
But he can afford it.
He is hardly short of cash, and obviously knows how to save.
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I think Sarah will come to regret her actions if she goes for more money from P Andrew. This will only make her look worse in the eyes of the public. And if she does, and is successful, I will expect that the money will be held in trust for her and be treated like a spendthrift trust, so that Sarah cannot waste it on careless spending and bad investments.
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Why is Andrew responsible for Sarah having "no skills?" She attended secretarial college and when they met, she'd been a PR person, an art gallery employee, worked at a publishing company, and been kept woman (that racecar driver McNally who didn't want to marry her and encouraged her to accept Diana's invite that was the set-up for Andrew and Sarah re-meeting.) After the divorce, she did quite well for herself. She authored 18 books for criminy's sake - many of which are being rushed back into print! What, her writing hand fell off when she accepted the cash envelope?

And as for her continuing as a "common law" wife of Andrew, I do wonder what the lawyer from Australia would say about Sarah interrupting that common-law-ery to accommodate Geir Frantzen (her boyfriend with whom she frolicked last Xmas in Norway) or Count Gaddo della Gheradesca, with whom she purchased a property in Italy? I will refrain from the obvious joke regarding the commonness of this particular common-law wife...whoops. Andrew hasn't exactly been sleeping alone during these years, either, judging from his many appearances in New York with various attractive young women. "Common law" doesn't mean "free love."

I was reviewing some history over the weekend (I'm writing a biography set in the immediate pre-war years in Europe.) Germany convinced itself and its citizens that they deserved a second bite at the apple, since they were treated so badly in the Treaty of Versailles. So they spent the 1920's in abysmal economic conditions due to hyperinflation and poor economic and monetary policies, and in the 1930's began behaving badly to make up for all they "lost."

Sarah = Germany - unsatisfied with a settlement, unable to manage funds, and now greedily eying that which others have. Andrew = Neville Chamberlain: appease, appease, appease.

The BRF should bail her out because she's just too unstable and God knows what else she is capable of: bail her out and tighten down her hatches, permanently. But NOT because she deserves it, either as recompense for some "agreement" that she willingly signed, nor as a reward for her appalling behaviour.

Sarah has made me consider the absolutely impossible for me: think well of the behaviour of the DoC.

Vasillisos, I agree. The money should be placed in a trust governed by a board of others and with unbreakable convenants regarding its distribution.

Edited to add: Why did Sarah take a lover? Because she wanted to. Andrew didn't force her, the Queen didn't force her, the press - the grey men - no one stripped her naked and threw her under Johnny Bryan or Steve Wyatt.
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What a beautiful comparison.
But we do know how appeasement ended.
Compared to Sarah, Camilla is a saint.
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If Sarah was unhappy with the divorce settlement she should have said something at the time and demanded more. It looks a bit suspicious to complain about it 20 years later when you happen to be having financial woes.
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If Sarah was unhappy with the divorce settlement she should have said something at the time and demanded more. It looks a bit suspicious to complain about it 20 years later when you happen to be having financial woes.
Now her apparent excuse, was because she thought it was better to remain friends with the family rather than ask for more.
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Interesting how Sarah Always has an excuse for her actions...
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Interesting how Sarah Always has an excuse for her actions...
OMGosh! Copy that!


Bertie you mentioned that Sarah took a lover because she was unhappy. Does that make the situation better? Is that an excuse to blow your wedding vows? Because now you have 3 people in the marriage, and then a 4th when Johnny Bryan came sniffing around after Steve's castoffs.
Sarah has never been truly happy with herself so she wasn't happy in the marriage. She has never really "Found herself" no matter what she says in the interviews she gives or the books she writes ("What I know now" comes to mind). She has never respected herself so I certainly haven't any for her.
Prince Andrew should help her find her way, not give the woman any money and wash his hands of her.
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