Princess Beatrice of York Current Events 8: September - November 2007

**Elspeth** · #1 09-27-2007, 02:11 AM

Welcome to part 8 of the thread to discuss the current events of Princess Beatrice.

Part 7 is here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...7-a-12565.html

Since Part 7 degenerated into some fairly unpleasant behaviour, please bear the following forum rule in mind when contributing to this thread:

Insulting comments about other posters and royals are not permitted. Criticism is acceptable; insults and flames are not. We expect our members to treat each other with respect.

angela · #2 09-27-2007, 06:44 AM

Beatrixfan's comments about Beatrice's lack of involvement in Royal duties is something I've noticed for a long time with William and Harry as well. None of the young ones seem all that interested. First it was because of school, university etc now the army, gap years and what not. Even if they don't want a full program yet they are at an age where attendance at Ascot in a carraige or at a State Banquet would be appropriate. I mean their European counterparts all managed to combine other activities with Royal duties at a young age so I don't see a problem. I also totally agree with Beatrixfan about Beatrice's "role" in life. When Prince Andrew fought for them to remain HRHs their role in life should have been obvious ie to be fully paid up working members of "the firm". If they have decided that this isn't the road they want to follow the titles should be given up because you can't have your cake and eat it. Prince Charles must be rubbing his hands with glee as the Yorks are giving him all the amunition he needs to "slim things down" as it were when he becomes King.

Duchess · #3 09-27-2007, 07:40 AM

never thought of that before...why is it the younger ones don't take on more public duties? wasn't charles combining education and duty at their age?

Skydragon · #4 09-27-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by angela

Beatrixfan's comments about Beatrice's lack of involvement in Royal duties...

You have to wonder if there is a role in life for Beatrice or Eugenie.

Beatrice can hardly be called the brightest spark, her fashion sense seems lacking and the protruding eyes and open mouth are not exactly attractive. The part in this latest venture was not, afaik, through an audition but because mummy is 'directing'.

I think, if she is not going to work as a royal, she needs to find herself an occupation of some sort.

ysbel · #5 09-27-2007, 08:06 AM

Why don't we give Beatrice's protruding eyes a rest and criticisize something she has control over?

Bella · #6 09-27-2007, 10:09 AM

I've always said I think Pss B is attractive (I don't mind her eyes 'cuz mine are huge, too, and I'm over the self-consciousness about it). But all this panic about her becoming or trying to become a serious actress is ridiculous. She's just having a bit of fun in a production her mother in involved with about a great ancestor of hers. I highly doubt she has any desires or expectations of getting into acting for real. And I don't think it would be proctocol for one so close to the British throne to do so (look at the whole fiasco w Prince Edward and his acting endeavors). B is young still and who knows what she'll turn out to be. But thanks BeaFan and Countess and Sky for the hilarious debate. Sorry, but it was entertainingly hilarious!

Skydragon · #7 09-27-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ysbel

Why don't we give Beatrice's protruding eyes a rest and criticisize something she has control over?

But ysbel, if she took advise from ALL of us, there wouldn't be anything to criticise, would there?

BeatrixFan · #8 09-27-2007, 10:59 AM

Skydragon points out something very important - Beatrice hasn't got this movie role (albeit a non speaking one) by audition, she's got it because of who she is. Now as an actor, that annoys me because I can't bear that type of thing in the theatre. What Fergie has basically done is arrange for Bea to be an extra and I'd be interested to see if she gets the usual £80 extra's fee and is treated like dirt which most extras are.

**Elspeth** · #9 09-27-2007, 11:01 AM

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But ysbel, if she took advise from ALL of us, there wouldn't be anything to criticise, would there?

I'm sure some of our more creative members will manage to find something. In the meantime, if this thread starts descending into the sort of group cruelty that characterised the last few pages of the previous installment, the moderators will be over here with the pruning shears. Criticism is one thing, and perfectly acceptable within the parameters of the forum rules, but things were going way beyond that.

**Elspeth** · #10 09-27-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Skydragon points out something very important - Beatrice hasn't got this movie role (albeit a non speaking one) by audition, she's got it because of who she is. Now as an actor, that annoys me because I can't bear that type of thing in the theatre. What Fergie has basically done is arrange for Bea to be an extra and I'd be interested to see if she gets the usual £80 extra's fee and is treated like dirt which most extras are.

Well, but that isn't wildly unusual, is it? King Abdullah got a walk-on role in one of the Star Trek Voyager episodes, and Professor Hawking got a - I suppose you'd call it a wheel-on - role in one of the Next Generation episodes. And I'm sure nobody treated them like dirt just because they were extras.

I do think it'd be better for the royal family in general and Beatrice in particular if she was seen more often with her father and with the royals. At the moment she seems to be spending time almost exclusively with her mother, and these reports of fashion design and acting are making people wonder what the "Princess" stuff is actually for.

susan alicia · #11 09-27-2007, 11:10 AM

well you always get a non speaking rol because of who you are.

when they were filming Soldaat van Oranje (1977) - Plot summary, they came to Minerva the fraternity/sorority in Leiden and the members all got parts to hang around during a party scene because they had faces like people who study in Leiden, Sarah gets her rol as lady in waiting because she has an old fashioned sort of face and is credible as a lady in waiting in the 19th century.

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Skydragon points out something very important - Beatrice hasn't got this movie role (albeit a non speaking one) by audition, she's got it because of who she is. Now as an actor, that annoys me because I can't bear that type of thing in the theatre. What Fergie has basically done is arrange for Bea to be an extra and I'd be interested to see if she gets the usual £80 extra's fee and is treated like dirt which most extras are.

BeatrixFan · #12 09-27-2007, 11:21 AM

Not wildly unusual and ok it's been done before but not in Britain. I credited our lot with more sense. I just find it very unfair that she's taking someone's part who needs the job when she doesn't. What's "quite a lark" to Bea, is a day's wages to some poor actress who's desperate to do enough to scrape the rent together. It's not like Beatrice has ever had any training unless you count having Prince Edward as an uncle. And what a great actor he was...

susan alicia · #13 09-27-2007, 11:26 AM

life is not fair, surprised it shocks you. Of course it has been done in Britain, it is done everywhere in the world.

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Not wildly unusual and ok it's been done before but not in Britain. I credited our lot with more sense.

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I just find it very unfair

that she's taking someone's part who needs the job when she doesn't. What's "quite a lark" to Bea, is a day's wages to some poor actress who's desperate to do enough to scrape the rent together. It's not like Beatrice has ever had any training unless you count having Prince Edward as an uncle. And what a great actor he was...

BeatrixFan · #14 09-27-2007, 11:31 AM

Who said life was fair? I simply said a member of the Royal family playing actress might be a laugh to them but it's someone's job their taking. I don't know of any other instance when a Royal has used their connections to get a part in a film. Let me know who did that.

**Elspeth** · #15 09-27-2007, 01:14 PM

Actually I think it's more likely that she's being used rather than doing the using. It's giving Mummy's film a nice lot of publicity, and it's not going to do Beatrice any good in the longer term. It's a pity the Queen didn't try to do anything (at least, I assume she didn't or we might have seen some consequences) to insist that Beatrice spend more time with her father before she turned 18 so she didn't get into the habit of spending her leisure time rattling around New York with Mummy.

Jo of Palatine · #16 09-27-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella

But all this panic about her becoming or trying to become a serious actress is ridiculous. She's just having a bit of fun in a production her mother in involved with about a great ancestor of hers. I highly doubt she has any desires or expectations of getting into acting for real.

And that's what annoys me: she doesn't want to become an actress "for real". She doesn't want to become a model "for real". She probably won't become a designer "for real" - you have to have a intensive education to be one (see Stella McCartney - she worked hard before she became what she is now!). She won't be an astronaut "for real" - all she wants is to fulfill her teenie dreams! And all of them! Let my Daddy throw a costume ball at Windsor Castle for the Crème de la crème! Let me party with mommy all around the world! Let me be a front-page model! That's the past and that's what her "gap" year seems to be all about.

A gap from what, please? From having grown up as a princess? From having to learn something in a most priviledged school? Harry and William at least spent time in the third world helping poor people there before they started doing their duty for their country as young recruits.

IMHo Beatrice Mountbatten-Windsor should do something to earn the right to be called HRH. In centuries past she would have been required to become a political bride and work for the sake of her old and new country as wife, mother and the first (or one of the first) ladies in her new homecountry. That could have turned out to be quite an unpleasant position, but that was the prize to be payed by a "princess".

Beatrice could already have shown a promise that she would use her status for other people than herself and her august circle. But did she? Instead I see only information about absolutely shallow doings. Her Royal "Highness"? It's laughable, isn't it?