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Old 11-29-2015, 11:47 PM
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I somehow don't understand the reasons so many people are what, picking on this girl, harassing this girl, so somebody explain it to me please. I look at this girl who was born into this family of titles, wealth and privilege, she gets no money from the civil list from what I have read, her father now pays for her security, she has mega money of her own, she does not have to work (oh how I wish that were me) and she has lots of fun, goes where she pleases, see who she pleases, has not committed any crimes so what is the problem? One read this a long time ago from an actress in Spain, PC, the dark haired beauty in some movie about pirates.......she said: "You cannot live your life looking at yourself from someone else's point of view", so isn't that what PB is doing, living her life on her terms as long as she hurts nobody? I think in a way we all do that to some extent, live our lives and wish we had her money to help along the way. I like her, she is a cute rich social girl with sometimes horrible taste in clothes example hats.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:51 PM
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I've read that if you have 6000000 SEK (687000 $, 457000 £, 648000€) invested wisely you'd be able to live a comfortable Swedish middle class lifestyle without having to work and as I'm sure Beatrice has more than that tucked away she manages very well on her own.


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Old 11-29-2015, 11:56 PM
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Andrew might have the midas touch when selecting investments.
Seriously?

If he wasn't the Queen's son, I think Andrew would be joining Fergie on the lists of Bankrupts. Jmo.

But of course he is the Queen's (favorite?) son, so that fate will not befall him.
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If Andrew was so great with investments Sarah wouldn't have been on the verge of bankruptcy so many times. So that makes no sense. She would have money to live she doesn't have to work. It's her playing at career girl that I think upsets people. She has already had way more then 5-10 days of this new job she started a few months ago she was in London for a week or more for sarahs birthday, she went on vacation right after getting the job etc. Let's not forget that Bea is also very good at letting people think she is working when she isn't she has done it everytime she has either quit or been fired from a job. I don't think she will last much longer in New York it just doesn't seem to suit her. And the job is supposed to be in finance which would mean for most people 9-5 or even longer hours she is in New York where the finance world is dog eat dog. I'm sure she will be back for Christmas and New Year and then her family ski trip most people who start jobs do not get vacation time right of the bat they usually have to be there for sometime unless your a Princess. She might be doing it without being paid then someone else is doing her job and she is going to run out of luck someone will start complaining!
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:10 AM
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:35 AM
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If Andrew was so great with investments Sarah wouldn't have been on the verge of bankruptcy so many times. So that makes no sense. She would have money to live she doesn't have to work. It's her playing at career girl that I think upsets people. She has already had way more then 5-10 days of this new job she started a few months ago she was in London for a week or more for sarahs birthday, she went on vacation right after getting the job etc. Let's not forget that Bea is also very good at letting people think she is working when she isn't she has done it everytime she has either quit or been fired from a job. I don't think she will last much longer in New York it just doesn't seem to suit her. And the job is supposed to be in finance which would mean for most people 9-5 or even longer hours she is in New York where the finance world is dog eat dog. I'm sure she will be back for Christmas and New Year and then her family ski trip most people who start jobs do not get vacation time right of the bat they usually have to be there for sometime unless your a Princess. She might be doing it without being paid then someone else is doing her job and she is going to run out of luck someone will start complaining!
I am just curious, why does PB have to work to make other people happy with her? Heck, if I had the kind of money I would not be working, I would do all the things I can't do now, there are a million things that she could be doing and she is doing what any young rich wealthy girl is doing, and there are lots of those running around this world with and without titles. Even though her grandmother is queen, and as such HM seems to not think she is doing anything wrong from what we see and read, and complaining about what, somebody is doing her job, well, let that person do the job and get paid for it, that is employing another person and keeping them from the unemployment line, let PB do as she is doing, enjoying life as I see it, not hurting anyone, just doing what those young rich girls do, spending money and that to me helps the economy.

And as far as Sarah goes, why should Andrew pay her way in life, they are divorced and she should be able to take care of herself instead of relying on him or any other person to take care of her, She got her settlement and what she did with it is her responsibility not his, oh, I am not giving him a break yet Sarah is a grown woman who seems very needy, maybe talking to a professional will get her on her feet to live her own life. I think Andrew is an intelligent person and sees the world the way he wants it and does as he pleases and he does have a habit of not picking the best of company for friends, sorry off topic now, back on, so as for PB, she seems like she loves her family, all of them, enjoys life and I think most of us are that way.
Not trying to rock the boat where PB is concerned yet I am far from understanding what the world expects her to do so I need someone to tell me do you want of her?

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Old 11-30-2015, 12:16 PM
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What it all boils down to is that as far as the private financial situation of any of the British Royal Family, we will never know what their bank accounts look like, where they got the money from and how they choose to spend it. If Anne decided to up and sell Gatcombe and retire to the remote desert and take up falconry, she can. If Andrew decided to actually purchase a barrel of monkeys to make him laugh, He can. If HM, The Queen up and decided that in her 90s its time for some excitement and wishes to spend a week at the craps table in Monaco, she can.

The only reason I've really seen given that Beatrice should not be seen shopping and partying and vacationing as these reflect poorly on the BRF and she should "toe the line". Why? In the United States, 14.5% of its people live below the poverty line. Should we expect the Obama family to live in austerity because some of us do? We don't.

Beatrice is a granddaughter of the Queen and holds the title of princess because of the way things are set up for that title. She does not work at representing the Queen and Crown. Because of how things work, Zara does not hold the title of princess but other than that, their situations are exactly the same and no one pays attention to Zara's coming and goings and what she spends and what she does with her money. Its my opinion that Beatrice deserves the same courtesy. If Beatrice can up and decide she wants to go to the far reaches of Siberia and open up a car repair shop, she can.

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Old 11-30-2015, 02:44 PM
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It is all because of who she is that so many people feel they can pick/harass and dump on her, that is sad of those people to think/feel/and be like that.

Thank you for putting into words better then I could!
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:37 PM
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One of the best reasons for the whole 'picking on Beatrice' thing is that she appears to be a young, royal woman who is happy doing what she's doing. It seems that many people don't like princes and princesses enjoying themselves, particularly in sunny locations, unless it's offset with a huge number of public appearances for charity. It's the same when William and Catherine take a holiday in a warm place. If they went to Balmoral, there wouldn't be so much said about it. However, there seems to be an issue whenever members of the BRF sun themselves. Something similar happened when Princess Margaret took her vacations in Mustique.

There's kind of a reverse feminism happening with the view of Beatrice's work life IMO. Instead of Beatrice being lauded to be able to choose to have a career--which was the case of women starting to work in the 1970s--she's faulted for not having one. Today the mantra is "a woman must work outside the home" rather than "a woman should have the opportunity to work outside the home".

She's not given the opportunity to do full-time appearances on behalf of the Queen, and so it makes sense for her to work in order to do something with her time; but she really doesn't have to in a financial sense.

Many people work on temporary contracts these days. Perhaps that is something that Beatrice is doing. We don't know whether the jobs she's had have been permanent, full-time jobs, or contracts. Young people often try out different jobs until they find out what suits them.

I think that Beatrice is just fine the way she is. This idea that members of the BRF have to do either full-time royal duties or work in a full-time job is a fairly recent phenomenon, and I think that it affects the most recent adult generation.

I've been royal-watching for about 35 years, and I've never seen members of the BRF held up to the kind of public pressure they are now. I think it has to do with the omnipresence of media and economic hard-times. People are resentful of those who appear to have an 'easy' time of it.


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I am just curious, why does PB have to work to make other people happy with her? Heck, if I had the kind of money I would not be working, I would do all the things I can't do now, there are a million things that she could be doing and she is doing what any young rich wealthy girl is doing, and there are lots of those running around this world with and without titles. Even though her grandmother is queen, and as such HM seems to not think she is doing anything wrong from what we see and read, and complaining about what, somebody is doing her job, well, let that person do the job and get paid for it, that is employing another person and keeping them from the unemployment line, let PB do as she is doing, enjoying life as I see it, not hurting anyone, just doing what those young rich girls do, spending money and that to me helps the economy.


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Old 12-01-2015, 05:12 PM
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I'll give my two cents on the subject.


Beatrice's biggest problem is her parents. And not because of the whole "sins of the father get passed down" tripe. It's because Andrew and Sarah are the worst brand managers I've ever seen.

The reason the public thinks Beatrice is an eager beaver to become a full-time royal, is her mother. Sarah has given interviews talking about how Beatrice has the soul of her grandmother, The Queen. How out of all the Windsors, it is Beatrice who inherited The Queen call of duty and responsibility. Sarah also likes to talk about how a never-wrong Psychic, predicted that someday Beatrice would be Monarch instead of the Wales boys. Sarah has inadvertently given the impression that Beatrice is pathologically jealous of William, George, Charlotte, and Harry.

Then there was Royal Wedding hat fiasco. When Sarah was asked about why Beatrice thought that hat was a good idea, instead of quipping about the creativity of the milliner they commissioned, Sarah responded "because I wasn't there when she was getting ready". Sarah made her 23 year old daughter seem like an immature dolt who can't be trusted to get dressed without her mother's guiding hand. I suspect Sarah's real motive for the comment was to passive-aggressively complain about not being invited, but Beatrice got unintentionally stabbed in the back.

Perhaps the most cringe-worthy incident was when Sarah issued a press release saying Beatrice was taking a Finance Course in the United States. Sarah was purposefully vague on the details, so the media took her words at face value and ran with it. It was reported all over that Beatrice was now a University student in the United States. Articles discussed the differences between American and English University cultures and gave helpful study tips to Beatrice. Later it emerged that there was no University Course, Beatrice only enrolled in a two-day seminar in the Bay Area. Beatrice was severely mocked for this, they said her over-inflated ego made a mountain out of molehill.

As for her career in Finance, nobody expects Beatrice to be some high-flying financier, who regularly appears in Business Week. But once again her parents did her no favors. After her internship with Sony fell by the wayside, her father's website kept proudly proclaiming that his daughter works in Finance, he kept this up even during Beatrice's nine-month holiday spree. The media cited his website as to what Beatrice considers "working in Finance". Once again her parents set her up for public ridicule.

When you ignore the bells, the whistles, and the smokescreens her parents throw around Beatrice, it all becomes much simpler. You see a young woman who has happily embraced the socialite life, like 90% of the other women in her social-set. Beatrice loves to travel, to party, to meet interesting people, to attend store openings, to attend society events. She gets involved in a couple of of good charity projects every year in addition to her annual charities. And she dabbles with short-term internships, and part-time jobs when it's convenient for her schedule. These other 90% of socialites do the exact same thing - usually until they're married. I don't know if marriage is Beatrice's goal, or if she content with the status quo. She seems happy, though.

Beatrice isn't harming anyone. She isn't an albatross around the public's neck. But she also isn't doing anything spectacular. She's an ordinary socialite. The problem is her parents can't accept that she's 'ordinary'. They sabotage her with lofty goals and proclamations that she can't live up to.

I'll try to give you a comparison. Pretend Beatrice is a young Hollywood actress who has a supporting role on a popular television show. She's somewhat famous but it's an unheralded role. It would be like her parents giving interviews saying they fully expect her to win her first Emmy by the time she's 30, and then she off to the big screen! That when they watch her they see the aura of Audrey Hepburn. Her father's website boasting her as a lead actress. Her mother issues press releases every time she auditions for a part. She would be the laughing stock of Hollywood. People would be telling her to fire her parents as managers because they are ruining her career.

For whatever reason, Andrew and Sarah leave Eugenie to march to the beat of her own drum and Eugenie is thriving. But the two of them have dug their claws deep into Brand Beatrice and they're both woefully incompetent at brand management. They need to be fired and then Beatrice will be fine.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:19 PM
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There are some interesting perspectives on Beatrice here. One thing I conclude is that Beatrice is simply a royal socialite who has a few charitable interests, attends one or two official duties and/or events from time to time and may or may not have a full or part-time job.

This makes me think that really, not very much else is known about her, what her interests are, whether she takes an active interest in the history she so keenly learned or does any drama etc these days. It's unfortunate (perhaps mainly for us) that whatever her interests are or have been do not lend themselves to making a career out of them or for being renowned in said interests.

Hence the media articles are all about holidays or shopping - really rather boring and repetitive and surprising it sells newspapers at all.
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Old 12-01-2015, 09:01 PM
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Beatrice only enrolled in a two-day seminar in the Bay Area. Beatrice was severely mocked for this, they said her over-inflated ego made a mountain out of molehill.

As for her career in Finance,
nobody expects Beatrice to be some high-flying financier, who regularly appears in Business Week. But once again her parents did her no favors. After her internship with Sony fell by the wayside, her father's website kept proudly proclaiming that his daughter works in Finance, he kept this up even during Beatrice's nine-month holiday spree.
Andrew's website lists:
Princess Beatrice works full time in business.
Princess Eugenie is pursuing a career in the art world.
(It was copyrighted in 2014 so it may not have been updated.)

Beatrice did not say she was working in finance. but the media and the 'haters' latched on to this and attacked her because of their assumption.
A clear case of blaming the victim. (Which Beatrice clearly is a victim of bullying.)

Her father's website states Beatrice worked full time in business.
In 2014 she was working for a business (Sony).

Some people only read and believe what they already believe.
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Old 12-01-2015, 09:44 PM
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IMO, the York Family is trying to move away from being part of the RF or at least ensure that their daughters are prepared when the Queen dies and they are no longer granddaughters of the monarch.

They bought a house in Switzerland, probably as an investment for Beatrice and Eugenie. It might become their permanent base.

I also think Sarah and Andrew are encouraging Beatrice and Eugenie to try to find a life outside of the U.K. I think they rented a NY apartment for them but want each daughter to spread her wings outs on her own. Although Eugenie was younger, she was the first to leave the nest and try her luck in NY.

Beatrice may be having a harder time adjusting to life in NY and so she travels more than Eugenie. Or Beatrice might not like living in NY.

I think the reason Eugenie is back in the U.K. is because it is Beatrice's turn to live on her own in the U.S.

IMO, Beatrice may be having a hard time finding her true passion and her mother may be trying to encourage her by making some statements in public. (Although I have never heard any of them.)

I think Beatrice's interest lies in the media and fashion.

According to Eugenie, Beatrice is into fashion.
She could be working for a fashion house or preparing to launch her own label.
She could join the long list of famous people who launched a clothing line.

Her finance class could be to help her run a business or for managing her investments.

The House of York has a nice ring. PBY also is catchy.
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Old 12-01-2015, 09:58 PM
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Andrew's website lists:
Princess Beatrice works full time in business.
Princess Eugenie is pursuing a career in the art world.
(It was copyrighted in 2014 so it may not have been updated.)

Beatrice did not say she was working in finance. but the media and the 'haters' latched on to this and attacked her because of their assumption.
A clear case of blaming the victim. (Which Beatrice clearly is a victim of bullying.)

Her father's website states Beatrice worked full time in business.
In 2014 she was working for a business (Sony).

Some people only read and believe what they already believe.
So you're upset that I intertwined the words business and finance. You should be upset that Andrew didn't update his website after Beatrice was no longer employed. Andrew has fifty-five years experience in the public eye, he knows the media spotlights any lie or fake promotion that they see. He led his daughter in front of the firing squad, and the media gleefully shot. He either did this on purpose or it was a case of incompetence. I choose the latter.

I blamed her parents. I don't see them as victims in this scenario. Therefore, there is no victim blaming. I never said that the media are angels. If you've read some of my other posts you know I loathe the British media. But I truly believe Beatrice's worst enemy is her parents, as I detailed in my previous post.

The fact that you misconstrued my post, a post that was defending Beatrice, shows clearly that "Some people only read and believe what they already believe."
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So you're upset that I intertwined the words business and finance. You should be upset that Andrew didn't update his website after Beatrice was no longer employed. Andrew has fifty-five years experience in the public eye, he knows the media spotlights any lie or fake promotion that they see. He led his daughter in front of the firing squad, and the media gleefully shot. He either did this on purpose or it was a case of incompetence. I choose the latter.

I blamed her parents. I don't see them as victims in this scenario. Therefore, there is no victim blaming. I never said that media are angels. If you've read some of my other posts you know I loathe the British media. But I truly believe Beatrice's worst enemy is her parents, as I detailed in my previous post.

The fact that you misconstrued my post, a post that was defending Beatrice, shows clearly that "Some people only read and believe what they already believe."
Sorry you misconstrued my post.
I said the media and haters. They are always going on about her 'finance' job. Beatrice took a finance class and the media latched on it and so did her haters.
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I just want to add that Andrew's incompetence is especially blaring considering the scandal he went through last January. He knew that media from all over the world would be scouring his website for little land mines. A conspiracy theorist would say he deliberately sabotaged Beatrice to take the heat off himself. Right around the time the media started their major attack against Beatrice, they stopped talking about Andrew's scandal. Personally, I think Andrew adores his daughters, but he's an absolute dunderhead when it comes to P.R. and Marketing. That's why he should be "fired" from publicly representing his daughters.

Remember when William/Catherine/Harry briefly combined their press team with Charles'. The trio got the worst P.R. of their lives under his management. When the trio split from Charles their media image improved. I think Beatrice should look at her cousins and say "hmmm, father doesn't always know best".
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I don't believe Beatrice wants to have a regular job at all.

I think she wants to be a full-time Royal like her father, but it doesn't seem as if she will be allowed to do this.

Failing that, I think she'd like to marry, have a family, and have a few charities she could support, but that doesn't seem to be happening either.

I really feel sorry for her, for her lifestyle seems rather frivolous- kind of like the lifestyle the GFs of celebrities have.
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Personally i think she may like the lifestyle she has now she can support her charities /education, have the occasional official duty, though she does attend quite a few royal events unofficially and have a life outside of the BRF.

@miss whirley If it is true and its a big IF, that his daughters are some sacrificial lamb to the media I don't think they mind taking the heat off their father, hence why they go along with it.
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I don't think that Andrew would ever intentionally bring mockery to his daughters. I'm just saying I understand how others would think it deliberate because of all the buffoonery he and Sarah pulled. They would think he had to learn basic P.R. by now. But nope, he really is that clueless, and now Beatrice gets the shaft. hahaha

It's like this summer when Andrew and Sarah hired seven dwarves for Eugenie's birthday party. You would think that someone who's been in the media spotlight for 55 years would see that this would be a horrible idea. That this would make Eugenie an easy target for the media. Warning bells should have blared in his head. Instead, I bet he was shocked that Eugenie got criticized over it. lmao
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duchesschicana It's like this summer when Andrew and Sarah hired seven dwarves for Eugenie's birthday party. You would think that someone who's been in the media spotlight for 55 years would see that this would be a horrible idea. That this would make Eugenie an easy target for the media. Warning bells should have blared in his head. Instead, I bet he was shocked that Eugenie got criticized over it. lmao
I don't believe that there was anything wrong or horrible about hiring professional little people to play parts at a themed birthday party. If anything, it was the little people themselves benefiting from gaining, most probably, a very generous paycheck for their time. If, for any reason, they had felt insulted or demeaned being asked to play dwarves, they could very well have refused.
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