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Old 02-13-2015, 01:13 PM
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Mr Palmer from The Daily Express is probably one of the worst royal "journalists" around as the contents of his blabbing tweets already show. Little chance that Her Majesty will even tremble one eyelash because of his views.

I think Richard Palmer is one of the most honest and trusted royal reporters out there.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:13 PM
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I think Richard Palmer is one of the most honest and trusted royal reporters out there.
I and everyone I know who is interested in the monarchy thinks he is one of the worst.
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Old 02-13-2015, 03:50 PM
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I think Richard Palmer is one of the most honest and trusted royal reporters out there.
I think Richard Palmer is one of the most acid and vitriolic royal reporters out there.
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Old 02-13-2015, 03:54 PM
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It seems that we all have different views on journalists, but to be honest my own personal feelings are that I take no notice of what most journalists say, good or bad.
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:10 PM
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If was anybody else other than Andrew would anybody even comment on it. Philip, Charles, Duke of Kent have all received these types of post leaving the service promotions.


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Old 02-13-2015, 04:14 PM
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I think Richard Palmer is one of the most acid and vitriolic royal reporters out there.
I agree with Dman. Palmer says how he sees it. He isnt 2-faced as in says one thing on twitter and writes something else.

you dont have to agree with him (and I dont always agree with him) but I have found him fair and consistent. And he has led the way in answering questions on twitter. So many journos steal info from twitterers and bloggers but never reply or give credit.

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If was anybody else other than Andrew would anybody even comment on it. Philip, Charles, Duke of Kent have all received these types of post leaving the service promotions.


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Very true. none have commented on Prince Michael at all.
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:16 PM
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Since I've been royal watching over several years, Richard Palmer has been the guy I (and many others) look to for answers the most. Reporters don't always get things right, and they often try to slip in their own personal opinions, but I think he's an alright guy. Better than Katie Nicholls. We haven't seen much of her lately though.
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:27 PM
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I really don't rate any royal reporters. They just try and stir the pot rather than report on the facts.

I lost faith in Palmer after he made a stink over Kate being a princess. That's basic royalty 101.

As for Andrew, yes the furore doesn't seem to extend to other royals gaining military honours but Andrew's reputation is in the toilet as far as the tabloids are concerned
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:56 PM
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If was anybody else other than Andrew would anybody even comment on it. Philip, Charles, Duke of Kent have all received these types of post leaving the service promotions.


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While that's true I think they might have slipped past but because of the Andrew problem people are taking notice and starting to question the whole thing


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Old 02-13-2015, 06:05 PM
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I'm pretty sure it is common knowledge that Philip and Charles didn't leave the Royal Navy as admirals but they have worn an admiral's uniform for several years.


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Old 02-13-2015, 06:17 PM
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[....] but I have found him fair and consistent. [....]
In my humble opinion fairness and consistency are far away when only now, with the Duke of York, Mr Palmer sees a problem. While tackling the automatic promotion of the Duke, he totally ignored the promotion of Prince Michael to the rank of Rear Admiral. When the absolutely non-militair "Princess Kate" became a Canadian Ranger (a component of the Canadian armed forces) I have not heard Mr Palmer uttering any protests against this military appointment.

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Old 02-13-2015, 06:53 PM
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Perhaps people are not commenting adversely on the appointments to Prince Michael because his are expressly stated to be Honorary whereas Andrew's are not and appear substantive.
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Perhaps though, as Richard Palmer and fellow posters on Twitter have discussed, the practice of promoting minor royals into military positions (even honorary ones) they have not earned should cease after this reign.

There is a need for Heads of State and the heir to be awarded the highest rank because the Sovereign is head of the Armed Forces. However, the others could cease at the rank of hon Colonel and equivalent in Navy and Air Force. Why should Prince Michael be granted a senior honorary rank? What has he ever done to deserve such an honour?

There is a resentment about Andrew getting this promotion straight after he's been mired in scandal for weeks, and if the royal family aren't careful the cynicism about their members getting an easy ride through life no matter what, could well increase.

Palmer is only stating what others are saying and if the royal family think that the public are happy and satisfied that this has been done they are sadly mistaken. I think it's a disaster in terms of PR.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:19 PM
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I agree with you; I was just pointing out that Michael's shiny new toy is expressly honorary, because I think the distinction is important.

I think the timing was appalling and I was pleased to see Palmer's comment because I have always had regard for his opinions. People were jokingly saying that after this latest Epstein controversy we would see Andrew rewarded by Mummy, and we get this! It was too good to be true for the cynical amongst us, and, I believe, a PR disaster.
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I agree with you; I was just pointing out that Michael's shiny new toy is expressly honorary, because I think the distinction is important.

I think the timing was appalling and I was pleased to see Palmer's comment because I have always had regard for his opinions. People were jokingly saying that after this latest Epstein controversy we would see Andrew rewarded by Mummy, and we get this! It was too good to be true for the cynical amongst us, and, I believe, a PR disaster.
I agree the timing was appalling at time when you would think that they wouldn't want front page news



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We all know that Andrew hasn't been charged with anything, though that may happen in the future. However, he was forced to resign as trade envoy due to scandal and neither he nor Fergie have exactly added lustre to the British Royal Family in the past couple of decades. I, and others, just happen to think that with his his past reputation Andrew is one of the most expendable members of the royal family.



Also, none of us know what Charles intends the makeup of the royal family to be in the new reign.

While I won't defend many of the actions of Sarah in the last couple decades, she hasn't been a member of the BRF for just shy of two decades now so she isn't exactly expected to be bringing any lustre to the family.

Further, while Andrew has definitely had his share of screw ups he has worked hard for the BRF. The fact of the matter is that it ultimately doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do; he could be the hardest working member of the BRF and sever all ties to all of his less lustrous or more questionable friends - including his ex-wife - and yet he would still be criticized for no reason other than the fact that he's Andrew. I think the man has certainly screwed up in the past and has questionable friends - and if the allegations being made against him now are true then I don't think he should get off - but he has worked hard to support his family as well. And his relationship with Sarah isn't as bad of a thing as people like to make it out to be - problems aside, the two of them have two children together and in maintaining a good relationship, and in providing the support that Andrew has provided Sarah, they've done a lot for their kids.
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Every time Sarah flogs things in the United States or gives interviews in the US she is regarded, de facto, by many Americans as being a member of the BRF. She makes hay while the sun shines over her (fading) royal connections, otherwise no-one would bother with her.

She wouldn't get away with it in Britain as she herself knows very well. Americans are not particularly tuned in as to who is a current member of the royal family or not.

She got into trouble through money for connections to Prince Andrew, in her last mess, didn't she? Andrew is still a royal, unfortunately. Both their reputations are down the toilet, largely because of their own actions, and neither have done credit to the BRF.

Yes, they have been good parents to their children.
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Yes, they have been good parents to their children.
True, but I think they frequently get a pass on questionable behavior because people say they are good parents.

And, are they really, or did they get lucky? Their daughters obviously love them no matter what, but we really don't know what kind of parents they have been.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:47 PM
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Every time Sarah flogs things in the United States or gives interviews in the US she is regarded, de facto, by many Americans as being a member of the BRF. She makes hay while the sun shines over her (fading) royal connections, otherwise no-one would bother with her.

She wouldn't get away with it in Britain as she herself knows very well. Americans are not particularly tuned in as to who is a current member of the royal family or not.

She got into trouble through money for connections to Prince Andrew, in her last mess, didn't she? Andrew is still a royal, unfortunately. Both their reputations are down the toilet, largely because of their own actions, and neither have done credit to the BRF.

Yes, they have been good parents to their children.
The American people knows Sarah and Andrew are divorced, and that she's not a current member of the royal family. It's the American people that embraced her after her famous and public divorce and helped her get back on her feet.
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I've deleted a number of personal posts. Please remember that the discussion is about Prince Andrew's current events and not other posters, or the merits of certain royal reporters. Any additional off-topic posts will be deleted.
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