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Old 09-11-2011, 02:12 PM
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In my very humble opinion,The real problem now, as I understand it, is Not just the Fake Sheikh cash for access scandal. It's not even Sarah's greed / trading on the Royal Family connections etc.

The real problem that Sarah now faces, and which in my humble opinion, will prevent her 'recovering' i.e. taking on a prominent role, being able to support herself, being seen as an asset rather than , at times, a public disgrace, is all now gone. And not just because of Sarah's own failings...

The hurdle which Sarah is now facing - and which I perceive as insurmountable - is this: she is past her sell-by date. Even if we discount all the Sheik/ spending / greed / tv series and interviews etc and pretend they did not exist / had not happened, Sarah will no longer ever be 'a leading player' in the BRF. Since her split from Andrew, Sarah has milked her once-royal status for years and now I think that the real reason that she will not be able to do this, is because a generation has passed, and the BRF has moved on.

In support of my argument, I am looking back to when I was very young. My parents went to Royal Ascot, they went to Royal Garden Parties and other Royal events. My close female relatives had all been presented at Court and some of the male relatives had been to Levees as well. We were what is sometimes known as a 'Queen and Country' family; in other words, I was exposed to a family where there was quite an interest in Royalty. And for this reason, even though I was very young at the time, I can clearly remember the HUGE royal interest in that time was focused obviously on the Queen and Prince Philip and their family, but also on Princess Alexandra, and the Duchess of Kent. Princess Alexandra and the Duchess of Kent were the nearest we had at that time to 'glamour and beauty' and the papers used to concentrate on their clothes and their beauty [Princess Alexandra was perhaps not as physcially beautiful as the Duchess of Kent, and the way that the papers used to deal with this was to praise her wonderful complexion. (this, historically, has always been the way of dealing with the BRF's lack of convention beauty!)]

The Royal 'heartthrob' of that period was Prince William [of Gloucester]. He was academically gifted, charming and sporty - and he was a pilot. Girls swooned over him; he had a sort-of 'James Bond' image. His younger brother Richard was less prominent. Prince Michael was also regarded as something of a 'catch'. He looked handsome in military uniform and was also the focus of much admiring coverage in the middle market women's magazines: He regularly featured in lists of the most eligible men of the time, along with Prince William.

And now look what has happened: the hand of time has moved on. Prince William of course died in a tragic aircrash and I doubt that many young people -even those with a passing interest in Royalty -have even heard of him. Nowadays, Prince Michael almost seems a 'background figure' and in the shadow of his apparently-pushy wife. Princess Alexandra is a stalwart of the BRF, but I believe that if she walked down Bond Street, few people would recognise her. The Duchess of Kent, hugely popular once as both a beauty and a compassionate soul, has largely retired from public life. Yet these royals once enjoyed huge media coverage.

And the reason they are no longer the focus of everything is quite simple: the BRF has moved on. It is the younger generation who now is 'in focus': William [and his wife] and Harry are the 'glamour royals'. Look at Zara. There is of course always going to be interest in Charles [as heir to the throne] but it is the new generation who stand out.

I have this theory that UNLESS you are the heir to the throne and his wife [or a surviving Royal Consort in the mould of the Queen Mother], any other royal seems to have a maximum of 25 years in the Royal Spotlight before it is time to move on.

This, to me, is Sarah's REAL problem. Even if she was still married to Andrew and the last quarter century of scandals had not happened, it would basically be 'over' for Sarah. She cannot really 'recover' her position. As with Princess Alexandra and the Duchess of Kent, it is time to move from centre stage and away from the spotlights so that the new stars are the focus.

Which is why I feel that Sarah has no alternative but to bow out from the spotlight and try to live a much lower-profile life. The challenge is how this will be achieved financially.

Only my thoughts and not meant to offend.
Alex, I think your post is by far the biggest piece of wisdom on this thread. It called to mind the part in the OWN series where Dr. Phil basically told Sarah that she might not be cut out for public life and her reaction was so adamant that she wanted to be in public life, she wanted to be a public figure. Maybe all of these missteps have been an "acting-out" of the realisation that unless she does something desperate, Sarah is not going to be in the news anymore. Like the old saying, any publicity is good publicity, and this might be her sub-conscious attitude. I'm still amazed she ever divorced Andrew, looking back I can't imagine how she ever thought she could function out of the BRF given the way she wants to live. So basically, in your opinion - there is nothing Sarah can do to "relaunch" herself. I think you're right and also that the more she tries to court publicity the lower her reputation will keep sinking. Perhaps in time she might gain a measure of respect if she now lets her daughters lead their own lives and stops tagging along with them as though they were ten years younger than their current ages. IMHO, she also needs to clarify her relationship with Andrew. If they're not going to be a couple, she needs to move out of his home. I don't believe that's beyond his finances and surely the Queen would be happy to see her set up in her own establishment; one with less Royal ties than Royal Lodge. A grace-and-favour house could be a beginning, but again, IMHO - I don't believe Sarah really wants to leave Andrew's home. He is going to be even more of her tie to the BRF as her daughters grow older and especially after they marry. What a mess for poor Andrew; it must be like living in the shadowlands between divorce and marriage....
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Old 09-11-2011, 03:07 PM
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I completely agree with th above two posts. To be honest NO, or very few women, maintain the same status they enjoyed in their 20s. Sarah is 50+ and doesn't seem to get it. Her only real attribute was that she was married to Andrew and she messed up big time. To ever think that she could maintain the same cache is completely delusional on her part. Even in her "prime" there were many people who didn't care for Sarah's "style" and the numbers have only increased over the years with her inappropriate lifestyle/behavior. I'm just hoping that she does not, in the long run, do something very damaging to her daughters.
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Diarist, that is a brilliant post, utterly brilliant. Second, the other thing is, if Sarah were still married, she would be a public figure still and she would be relevant, as the most senior ranking royal Duchess in the RF. She would still be relevant, maybe not as a glamour figure, but at this point, a well respected memebr of the RF with a solid work history and work in charity. The reason that HM is a legend as a Queen is because she does not try to keep up with the latest fashion and lets her work ethic speak for itself. She lets her personal behavior speak for her. If there were no scandals or divorce, chances are Sarah would still be important, just not as a celebrity figure.

It's too late, as you've said perfectly, since with this recent scandal, normal people have gone ot jail over less, prison even. I think that this is unforgivable, I think worse is to come. If she gets backed into a corner again, financially, she will get all the more desperate and be willing to do heaven knows WHAT to get out again. People are likely also sick (especially in this economy) of watching Sarah throw away all her advantages with both hands. At what point do people lose patience and then brush her aside and hope she goes away?
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I agree with everything you've said, Diarist - Sarah has passed her sell-by date. I wonder how much she realizes this? She has made some statements recently that she "lost it all" and that Kate and William are the big royal celebrities now, so I think she is starting to catch on; but Sarah has never been one who likes to accept reality.

Although, what Diarist said made me also think of Andrew. If royals have a 25-year heyday, then Andrew has passed his heyday, too.

It's interesting to think that even if Sarah had stayed married to Andrew, she just wouldn't be the celebrity now that she once was.
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I understand what you mean, Diarist. The people who really remember Sarah at her prime are now the elderly, the baby boomers, and the generation X-ers. Why would younger people be interested in a middle-aged ex-princess who has personal and financial issues? The wealthiest generation--the baby boomers--are aging now, and the generation X-ers likely have less money to spend on whatever Sarah is promoting. Why would a young parent be interested in buying Sarah books, dolls, etc. for their children? I think that a pension (in the broad sense of the term) is the best option for Sarah, and the only person who can afford that is HM and, in future years, the next monarch.
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I think that the difference with Andrew is that he still has the cachet of being Royal and still has opportunities to do something constructive, whereas Sarah really is a has-been. Unless she finds something that she's good at that she can pursue quietly and re-earn people's respect that way, her working life is pretty much over.


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Although, what Diarist said made me also think of Andrew. If royals have a 25-year heyday, then Andrew has passed his heyday, too.
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:41 PM
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Diarist, that is a brilliant post, utterly brilliant. Second, the other thing is, if Sarah were still married, she would be a public figure still and she would be relevant, as the most senior ranking royal Duchess in the RF. She would still be relevant, maybe not as a glamour figure, but at this point, a well respected memebr of the RF with a solid work history and work in charity. The reason that HM is a legend as a Queen is because she does not try to keep up with the latest fashion and lets her work ethic speak for itself. She lets her personal behavior speak for her. If there were no scandals or divorce, chances are Sarah would still be important, just not as a celebrity figure.

It's too late, as you've said perfectly, since with this recent scandal, normal people have gone ot jail over less, prison even. I think that this is unforgivable, I think worse is to come. If she gets backed into a corner again, financially, she will get all the more desperate and be willing to do heaven knows WHAT to get out again. People are likely also sick (especially in this economy) of watching Sarah throw away all her advantages with both hands. At what point do people lose patience and then brush her aside and hope she goes away?
I very well may be wrong, but I do believe the Duchess of Cornwall and the Duchess of Cambridge would both take precedence over Sarah even if she had remained married to Andrew. I don't know how HM would have set the private order of precedence, but I believe the public order basically follows the line of succession with a few exceptions (such as the Princess Royal).

You're completely right about Gen Xers being the "youngest" (we're all getting old!) to remember Sarah; I'm often stunned by how many young adults don't even know who Diana was, at least outside of the UK. You made a really great point about the economy being an important factor in how the public perceives Sarah; I'm embarrassed not to have connected the two! But certainly her lifestyle is still far, far out of the reach of most people and as so many are struggling just to make the bills, an old former member of the BRF complaining about being broke while taking vacations to Thailand, skiing in Switzerland, going to Italy for the Petra Ecclestone wedding, etc - is certainly not going to get much public sympathy and understandably so. And that's without even factoring in the cash-for-access fiasco.

I think Sarah is probably feeling some of this, at least sub-consciously. From the pics of Beatrice's graduation, it seems as though she has gained quite a bit of weight since the Oprah show was filmed; I only mention this as Sarah herself has so many times commented on how she eats to comfort herself when she is unhappy, I am absolutely not criticising her for whatever she weighs, just to clarify my post.
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To be honest NO, or very few women, maintain the same status they enjoyed in their 20s.
I think the above is true only if a woman has been foolish enough to rely on her looks and 'cuteness' at the expense of actual accomplishments. If your goal in life is to be the next Kim Kardashian or similar 'celebrity' then yes, 50 is too late. But there are many women Sarah's age in every walk of life who are enormously successful professionally, (and personally). The difference is those women have worked hard and consistently over decades AT A DEFINED SKILL to get where they are. I capitalized that last part because I think it might get to the heart of Sarah's issue. What, exactly, is her talent or skill? Because she's not going to become respected and financially stable by basing a career just on being Sarah, former member of the British royal family.

The problem is, Sarah is acting like she does want to be the next Kim Kardashian, (hopefully without the sex tape). She wants to get paid to go to parties and benefits and have media and business opportunities fall into her lap. That's not the way it works for most people, though, and I think the sooner she realizes this the sooner she can take stock and figure out a realistic plan.
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I think the above is true only if a woman has been foolish enough to rely on her looks and 'cuteness' at the expense of actual accomplishments. If your goal in life is to be the next Kim Kardashian or similar 'celebrity' then yes, 50 is too late. But there are many women Sarah's age in every walk of life who are enormously successful professionally, (and personally). The difference is those women have worked hard and consistently over decades AT A DEFINED SKILL to get where they are. I capitalized that last part because I think it might get to the heart of Sarah's issue. What, exactly, is her talent or skill? Because she's not going to become respected and financially stable by basing a career just on being Sarah, former member of the British royal family.

The problem is, Sarah is acting like she does want to be the next Kim Kardashian, (hopefully without the sex tape). She wants to get paid to go to parties and benefits and have media and business opportunities fall into her lap. That's not the way it works for most people, though, and I think the sooner she realizes this the sooner she can take stock and figure out a realistic plan.
I agree and was not clear in my post. The problem is Sarah depended on all the wrong things, being jolly and "brick" only works for so long even in place of the cuteness factor. Sarah has had no marketable skill to fall back on AND she cannot even rely on being the image of a gracious, working former member of the BRF.
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very well may be wrong, but I do believe the Duchess of Cornwall and the Duchess of Cambridge would both take precedence over Sarah even if she had remained married to Andrew. I don't know how HM would have set the private order of precedence, but I believe the public order basically follows the line of succession with a few exceptions (such as the Princess Royal
Technically Camilla outranks her, but not Kate. "HRH The Duchess of York" bestows more seniority because Sarah is married to the second son of the King and ranks only after that of the Princess of Wales. So quite frankly Sarah would outrank Kate since Kate is the wife of the Heir of the Heir and Sarah would remain so in the event she were still married.
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Thank you all for your kind comments. Actually, I don't think my post was that good - my typing certainly wasn't, and I see that one sentence actually 'went missing' - not that it added anything significant, but it did make more grammatical sense! I've therefore made a couple of corrections.

To deal with some of the matters arising:

Precedence: Aliza, I think you are quite right about Public Precedence; this would place Sarah below Camilla and Catherine: the order being Camilla as wife of the heir apparent, Catherine as wife of the Sovereign's eldest Grandson and then wives of the younger sons of the Sovereign, which would Rank Sarah [if still married of course] before Sophie. [I've not dealt with the precedence of the Sovereign's daughter and granddaughters]. I'll get out my file from work and check this point.

As to why Andrew and Sarah divorced, a wise person once told me that no-one truly ever knows what happens in another couple's marriage. This is very probably true, but where Sarah is concerned, my own educated guess, based in part on my own observation, is that Sarah, who certainly married Andrew rather quickly, fell in love with her spouse's position [and all that went with it] as well as the man himself. [And yes, I do concede that this remark could possibly apply to others who have married into the BRF over the years]

And, as I have said before on other threads, I think that Sarah had a misleading idea of the BRF's lifestyle, as she was in effect extrapolating it on the basis of what she herself had observed when watching the more flashy world of the super-rich, both through motor racing and polo.

I've been criticised before on other threads when I write about the BRF's lifestyle being comparatively modest. The key word here is comparatively. The BRF are of course very, very wealthy. It is a lifestyle of castles and Palaces, of priceless royal jewels and beautiful works of art, all set against a background of devoted service. And you get to wear some lovely couture clothes. The food and drink is of the best. It's a lifestyle that most of us can only dream of. But, by the same token, it's a lifestyle that is NOT as flashy as that of the super rich.

For a start, there is actually no real dedicated Queen's Flight any more, although the Queen can of course call on the services of aircraft from the Royal Squadron [which other UK VIPs such as government ministers can use as well] but these aircraft are not used in the same way that the super rich use their private planes: the Queen does not 'jump aboard' a plane for a quick visit to Paris or to the South of France for some sun or Milan for some fashion shopping. And there are no Jacuzzis or other fripperies on the Royal planes. Pre-marriage, Sarah did observe - at a distance and no doubt somewhat wistfully - how the super rich of the motor racing and polo set behaved. Bernie Ecclestone had a huge private plane; ditto many of the American polo patrons. These billionaires indulged their wives [often no. 3 or 4!!] with all sorts of 'treat trips' and there were visits galore to the global glamour spots. Switzerland, Monte Carlo, Sotogrande... And then there were the yachts - and look how some plutocrats own more than one.......!

And these are the people who also set great store by having the 'right' accessories to accompany this lifestyle: the Ferraris, porsches, the Louis Vuitton Luggage etc etc etc The people for whom Gucci and Bvlgari and Chanel and Cartier open their shops after opening hours.....

It was basically a lot of fun and pleasure all the way. Sarah was reputedly enormously impressed when Lyn Wyatt [mother of Steve] began flying Sarah everywhere on the Wyatt private jet. Or at least, offering to.

And now look at the BRF. Planes are not meant to be used for private fun and pleasure jaunts and the press and politicians are stern when it emerges than (say) Andrew has been using a helicopter to take him to play golf. You don't hear of the Queen whizzing across to Paris for lunch on board her private plane. The Royal Yacht has long since gone. And couture clothes are usually seen in conjunction with Royal Duties! And even the Royal Luggage is that good, old fashioned, solid wooden type. [Interestingly, only Princess Micheal and Sarah have gone down the Louis Vuitton route!!]

Sarah obviously had her head turned by the Super rich, and apparently believed that either that this was how the BRF lived, or had the right to live, and therefore she was entitled to enjoy a similar right. But she was mistaken in all this. Royal allowances cover (generously) essential spending for Royal duties, but not for super rich style spending.

In my humble opinion, I think that when such luxuries did not come her way courtesy of Prince Andrew, Sarah's head was turned by Steve Wyatt. And presumably, when on the receiving end of such charm, I suppose Andrew looked a bit, well, boring by comparision. And he was often away on naval duties as well, whereas it seems that Messrs Wyatt and Bryan etc were around more often, all [at least initially] in fawning attendance on Sarah.

But the problem was that that none of Sarah's new found suitors were in attendance that long. Reputedly, Wyatt's mother Lyn read her son the riot act when it was pointed out to her that Steve's continued dalliance with Sarah could well have repercussions on Lyn's own social ambitions so far as the BRF were concerned. Whereupon Wyatt plus the jet soon disappeared over the horizon. And I daresay that now, 20 years down the line or so, Andrew does not seem so boring after all. And his means, though more modest in the immediate term when compared with Wyatt's, nevertheless seem large to Sarah when compared to her own now-meagre resources!! [Sarah of course having spent her way through millions over the past 20 years or so...]

I suspect as well that none of these super rich would have given Sarah a second glance had she not married into the Royal Family. Certainly, from my own observations, the Polo set pre-Andrew were not all flocking to Sarah's side: this was the girl known on the polo field by such unflattering names as Big Fat Fergie, Poor Old Fergie, The Ginger Lump etc. Horrible and cruel granted, but the problem is that for many years the Super Rich have placed great store on beautiful women....unless the ladies are very rich in their own right.

Weight issues. Yes, I do think that Sarah comfort-eats. Etched onto my mind is that Oprah image of her in the back of the car as it passes Buckingham Palace, gobbling sweetie [candy] after sweetie from the bag. Correct English behaviour requires that people only eat sweets modestly, one or two now and then, not gobble, gobble, gobble.

Incidentally, Weight Watchers. The offical line has always been that Sarah left Weight Watchers through her own choosing. However since they were paying her reputedly £1m per year, I have always doubted that the move came from Sarah. Since when has she ever turned down £1m? For what it is worth, I have read suggestions in the better papers that Heinz [Weight Watchers] did not feel Sarah was a truly appropriate spokeswoman for the brand, as her figure always seemed to be something of a struggle rather than a story of Weight Watching triumph.

Just my few random thoughts, and not meant to offend,

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Thank you so much for that Diarist. I think I heard the same thing about Weight Watchers. In her recent pictures Sarah hasn't been looking her best and it isn't just a little more weight either. Her face looks terrible and her hair. I guess Oprah didn't help her find Sarah or she didn't get what she thought she would after it. Sarah wanted to rebuild brand Sarah she just forgot no one is actually interested in brand Sarah anymore. I always felt sorry for Andrew I think he tried and Sarah must have hurt him with the affairs and there was a time when she had some not very nice things to say about Andrew. He was boring a bad lover etc. Now of course she can't gush enough about him because now she has nothing that lifestyle he offered is way better then she can now provide for herself. If she had off been sensible bought a house, invested money she would be comfortable. I don't see her changing so far this year she has gone to all the same luxery holiday places as often as she always has. You don't even hear about her charity anymore but even there she has had problems. I'm not sure what the Queen can do I doubt she wants to place Charles in a position where he has to support Sarah financially especially the way Sarah expects to live. That is why she won't leave Royal Lodge she has a great address and has all the trappings without having to pay. Sarah is looking more like a leech and this is what is losing her a lot of respect as well. Andrew can't really move on with her around I can't imagine it can be comfortable to bring home a girl even if Sarah is in another suite.

I don't know what they are going to do but a grace and favour home and her cutting down on her tv gigs would be good Sarah does get an allowance off Andrew she needs to learn how to live within her means. The girls need their own life not have her follow them everywhere. Problem is I think Sarah is addicted to the attention good or bad.
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Incidentally, Weight Watchers. The offical line has always been that Sarah left Weight Watchers through her own choosing. However since they were paying her reputedly £1m per year, I have always doubted that the move came from Sarah. Since when has she ever turned down £1m? For what it is worth, I have read suggestions in the better papers that Heinz [Weight Watchers] did not feel Sarah was a truly appropriate spokeswoman for the brand, as her figure always seemed to be something of a struggle rather than a story of Weight Watching triumph.
I've also heard the rumour that Sarah was "asked" to leave Weight Watchers, and I tried to Google for information either way, but found nothing. However, I seem to remember that on another thread, Iluvbertie posted a statement by Weight Watchers that Sarah did indeed leave of her own accord. I could be remembering wrong...maybe someone else has that information?

Anyway, the reason Sarah would turn down 1 million pounds a year, of course, would be if she thought she could earn multiple millions somewhere else. I have a Hello! interview with Sarah in front of me, from 2009, and this is what Sarah said about Hartmoor: "I met someone who has masterminded the careers of several big entertainers and I was urged to start my own lifestyle company in America. It seemed fantastic, so I invested all the money I had earned from The Young Victoria film and everything from my Little Red books. I lost it all...The biggest problem was that while I worked out Hartmoor, I couldn't work for anyone else."

She also says, "I didn't lose my WeightWatchers contract, I walked away in December 2007. I had had 10 wonderful years with them and I left with real sadness. But I had no choice. As you know, WeightWatchers sells lines of food and when I set up my company, Hartmoor, my new contract excluded me from working for any other food firm."

So - that is Sarah's explanation for why she left Weight Watchers. I don't know what to believe; but out of curiousity, I searched for pictures of Sarah during her later years at WeightWatchers. In order, here are photos from 2005, 2006, and 2008. I don't really see any major fluctuations in weight.

Sarah Ferguson Arrives For The Cipriani Wall Street Concert Series At
Sarah Ferguson Duchess Of York Debuts Her Line Of Jewelry For KG
Sarah Ferguson The Duchess Of York Arrives At The Chain Of Hope

My opinion is this: that Sarah was actually a pretty decent WeightWatchers ambassador and did keep the weight off; but she was either lured by the promise of still more cash in Hartmoor, or she was advised that because she was nearing 50 and had been the ambassador for 10 years, Weight Watchers might be looking for a fresh face...or both.

Anyway, I think Sarah was pretty successful in a lot of ways pre-Hartmoor. But she made a series of big misteps which cost her everything. She put all her eggs in one basket: Hartmoor, and the idea of "Brand Sarah" -and she failed to realize that Brand Sarah had an expiry date. Then, when Hartmoor collapsed, she made the mistake of asking for cash for access for Andrew, instead of admitting she had a financial problem. When the sting became public, Sarah made the mistake of making the OWN documentary and the succeeding interviews, in which she blamed all of her troubles on everyone and everything except herself.

In the meantime she has gained weight and doesn't look good. But I think the weight gain came after, not during, Sarah's stint with Weight Watchers. I really do think that Sarah was doing pretty well in a lot of ways for a number of years. Then her pride got the better of her, unfortunately. Instead of having a realistic self-image, Sarah seems to have thought that being the "Duchess of York" would carry her on forever, and then when it didn't, she couldn't (and still apparently can't) admit to her own flaws and failures.
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She put all her eggs in one basket: Hartmoor, and the idea of "Brand Sarah" -and she failed to realize that Brand Sarah had an expiry date.
She could have taken that money she made and then invested in a business, for example, mining or some other venture that would have created a profit. I recently sealed a massive deal and it's a mine that is going to bring in billions. There are dozens of such businesses out there and she could have invested and made a huge yearly income from it. For the life of me, I have no idea on how she lacks such business sense.

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Her biggest flaw is that she keeps looking for a bigger and better deal, with the 'bigger and better deal' always being a speculative venture, nothing concrete. Same with that John Bryan character who promised 'mega-millions,' but didn't produce any real investment proposals, but instead encouraged her to sell herself like an aspiring starlet. She never invested in one solid business venture that could have produced income over the years and made her wealthy, maybe wealthier than Diana even, but she blew it and fell for a shyster.

There were hundreds of firms that could have arranged for her financial security, but go figure, she met up with a quack that exploited her and someone that she exploited as well. Basically they exploited each other and she exposed her daughters to some pretty nasty types. Why didn't she go to the firms out there that would have gladly helped her invest in businesses that could have generated tens of millions in income and she would have been still married to Andrew since she would have had enough money to keep her satisfied. Right now, because of her mistakes, her options to really redeem herself are nil, at least publicly.

How on earth is she supposed to recover from this, especially since she after all did this on camera (however unwittingly), lied about being abused by her mother, dragged her daughters into this, and also ended up at one silly point, hiring a lawyer to get another divorce settlement.
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Diarist - You do write with a lovely style and your thoughts are informative. Thank you. I am an American and I don't know who you are but I am gathering that you have an intimate understanding of the world of which you speak - and that is very compelling. So thank you for the insights.

So much of what you say - so delicately put - rings true. I found the eating of the sweeties in the car a bit odd even from an American perspective, frankly. I assumed she was 'making a point' - being nervous about being in the UK again, etc. She seemed to be doing it 'large' for a purpose.

I never followed her much. I loved her bridal dress - one of the best - and she was very beautiful on her wedding day - but there was never anything about her that drew me to pay attention to her press. Then there were the odd little bits - like the pushing with Diana at a photo-op on the ski slopes or the poking of people at Ascot with umbrellas - what? Just not my 'cup of tea'.

But I agree with everyone who is remarking on her looks - she may be having her 'Change' - her looks are truly altering and it looks like she is not going to be aging well. Given what I have come to understand of her - I noted that she did not put her daughter forward in the graduation pictures, a small point, but says something - I feel enormous compassion for her. She has every reason to be able to live a lovely life quietly but she is just not at ease with herself. Its very, very sad - and with losing her looks - well, she has some rough years to sort herself out. I hope she makes it. We all have rough spots - I hope she gets through these times.

Sadly, she doesn't seem to have friends. I don't think Oprah is a friend, though she may be understanding and friendly. Sarah seems very alone with only paid attendants. That is very sad. She needs Andrew and her daughters - I hope they don't cut her out. It doesn't look like they will and that says a lot about Andrew no matter what else one might think of him. He's doing the right thing, I think.

But its enough for me. Sarah has not worn well for me in this brief acquaintance I've had here over the 'Finding Sarah' show. I really hope she is able to get herself in shape - but as even Dr Phil says: the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. People can change but I'm not going to hold my breath on this one. I just hope her family keeps her okay.
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But I agree with everyone who is remarking on her looks - she may be having her 'Change' - her looks are truly altering and it looks like she is not going to be aging well
I think she's just burning out and now about to give up. She's lsot steam, her attempts at a comeback have failed, she's under more derisive press coverage than ever before (this time being entirely justified), and she has completely lost whatever chance she has at really coming back into the royal fold. She has no credibility and no one to turn to now that she's probably alienated her sister (through claiming the motehr was an abuser), so no family there for support.
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Actually her sister was very forgiving and said publicly that while she didn't experience any of what Sarah said happened she is sure Sarah believed it happened. She also appeared on the show so I think she is supportive. Sarah get's all these vacations and free trips from so called friends but I wonder how many really are friends and how many are simply using her name and that of her daughters which she usually takes with her. Sarah has wasted more money then most of us would see in a lifetime. I think she is a very greedy person and wants a lot for doing very little.

The thing that sprung out for me was her saying that Hartmoor was her company but under her contract she couldn't work for another food company...umm if it was her company and she would have had input into the contract if she really could of worked for Weight watchers then surely she could have worked around that in her own contract. Was Hartmoor going to sell diet food? Something that takes ages to work on and a great deal of money. I think she was convinced she could make a lot of money and didn't need Weight Watchers etc. Sarah loves to be flattered and I'm sure it would have boosted her ego. Instead of going slow and really having someone who knew what they were doing investigate it and work out the pros and cons Sarah seems to have just gone forward like bull out of a gate like she always has. Her spending has always been out of control and whether she admits it or not that did play a part in her bad financial state. There were her own private staff, chefs, flowers etc which went unpaid things that had nothing to do with Hartmoor.

I wonder if the rich friends are getting a little tired of paying her way with really so little in return. It isn't a ringing endorsement having Sarah show up places these days. Sarah claims to be broke and have addictions etc not someone you really want associated with something classy. I would think as the years pass they will drop off the girls won't always be travelling with her they have their own lives. Her looks look ravaged but I wonder if it is her not caring or her playing the poor me victim once again. I have very little money yet I look better then she does and take more effort with my appearance. Surely she can afford some good face cream it doesn't have to be the most expensive to be good and some nice makeup and something done with her hair.It is sad to think that at 50 the chances of her meeting a new man are so slim but it is her own fault. But she has a reputation for overspending and any wealthy man would be concerned with her also rich men like hot girls something Sarah has never been. Her wedding day really was the day she looked best! Something will have to happen over the next few months so far no new work opportunities have come and her book didn't do too well by the sounds of things and she has others coming out. But they are advice books for teenagers Sarah giving advice to anyone is a bad idea and I think this will just give the press more of an opportunity to make fun of her! Maybe Sarah should go back to school your never too old to learn....
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Why would younger people be interested in a middle-aged ex-princess who has personal and financial issues?
Ironically enough, the first time I ever really heard of Sarah was when the “Cash for Access” scandal broke (I remember reading about it everywhere). But that coverage was so widespread simply because of the "Duchess of York" title/royal connections. I guess I would say I’m part of that generation who knew of Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas way before I had any idea who Sarah Ferguson was!

I agree with the opinion that in order for Sarah to recover from anything – whether it be the scandal or just the way she and her family are portrayed by the media— she needs to back away from the spotlight that she seems to always be in. It seems so simple to say that but I don’t know how easy it would be for Sarah.
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I think that if Sarah really wants to recover, she needs to step into the background, recognize what she has become and rebuild her life quietly and privately. It's time to put her children first IMO. In the pictures taken at Princess Beatrice's graduation, Andrew looks uncomfortable in front of the photographers, but Sarah is clearly posing. Note the way she positions her leg in some of the photos. It's a classic way of placing one's leg in a flattering position. That spoke volumes to me.
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That's interesting, Super Baroness. So the first time you heard of Sarah was when she was involved in a scandal. That's a real comment on how her reputation has slid from the point of view of those who first knew her as a friendly, bubbly, "breath of fresh air" fiancee and then Royal Duchess. She's almost unrecognizable now from when we first knew her through the media. There was no sense that she would fall so spectacularly. Compared to Diana, she seemed more at ease in public and more like "one of us" because of her weight issue and the fact that she wasn't a stunner.

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Ironically enough, the first time I ever really heard of Sarah was when the “Cash for Access” scandal broke (I remember reading about it everywhere). But that coverage was so widespread simply because of the "Duchess of York" title/royal connections. I guess I would say I’m part of that generation who knew of Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas way before I had any idea who Sarah Ferguson was!
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