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Old 01-04-2011, 02:23 PM
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What I remember from Sarah's days with the BRF is that she never grew a thick enough skin to deal with the media. The minute they called her the Duchess of DoLittle, she upped her engagements to pass even the Princess Royal. Thus she gave too much credence to the media. When they smelt blood in the water they went after it.
Now with the Oprah deal she seems to be pandering to the media yet again, a dangerous game that Diana lost.
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:07 PM
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The first real slamming of Sarah that I remember is when she didn't take Beatrice to Australia with her and Andrew in 1989; then she answered the criticism by saying that she didn't see much of Andrew and wanted to put him first by staying in Australia and meeting him whenever his ship docked. This contrasted of course with the approach that Charles and Diana had about taking William to Australia in 1983. In my memory, this was the first real criticism of Sarah that stuck. The criticism about her trips and vacations came after that.


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My memories are very different, for I recall constant criticism that Sarah did as little as she could possibly get away with.
Wasn't she known as Duchess Dolittle, back then?
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:55 AM
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To echo several previous views, I too very much hope that this year could really be a new start for Sarah.
I'm really looking forward to the "Finding Sarah" show, and I hope it'll fulfil three very important functions:
Firstly, to help Sarah move on from her problems, and look forward to a happier future.
Secondly, to improve her public image after the cash for access scandal. I genuinely feel that when people see Sarah's "real self", they really react to her positively, and respect her honesty.
Thirdly, I'm sure it will make her some money, and this is a major consideration. The sooner she gets back on her feet financially, the better. People forget that her current problems weren't just about over-spending (though of course that was part of it) but also the global financial crisis, which affected her business interests.

I hope this venture will be therapeutic, lucrative and hopefully provide some positive PR as well, and I wish Sarah all the best with it.
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Old 02-05-2011, 04:50 PM
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I can't help feeling that, no matter how lucrative the venture may prove, it will never be enough. If she has any money at all she seems determined to spend it as fast as possible on luxuries.

The only way I can see to keep her from getting in financial trouble again is for her to have a manager who will settle the bills first and then dole out only a limited allowance for extras.
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Old 02-05-2011, 05:44 PM
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She's a grown woman though. After a while that'll become tiresome. She's too free spirited to give up such control and with her situation the way it currently is there's no reason for to do so as no one's forcing the issue.
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Old 02-06-2011, 01:28 AM
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If Sarah hasn't learned from everything that has happened, then she never will. She won't learn either when well meaning people rush in and bail her out each time which has been stated here before.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:44 AM
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I can't help feeling that, no matter how lucrative the venture may prove, it will never be enough. If she has any money at all she seems determined to spend it as fast as possible on luxuries.

The only way I can see to keep her from getting in financial trouble again is for her to have a manager who will settle the bills first and then dole out only a limited allowance for extras.
It's worth bearing in mind of course that some of Sarah's financial problems stem from the global financial crisis, which really hit her ability to make money in the US, with her company "Hartmoor" going out of business.

That said, however, I'd still have to concede your point that there is an ongoing problem for Sarah in terms of controlling her spending. For many people, this can be something psychological connected with unhappiness or insecurity, and this may well be the case with Sarah.

Maybe you're right that the best thing would be for her to put herself in the hands of someone who can keep a tight rein on her spending. Prince Andrew clearly still cares deeply for her and has helped out enormously in recent times - perhaps he could put her under the guidance of whoever looks after his own financial affairs.

Looking at the positives, Sarah showed great determination to come back from her previous debt problems in the 90s. She worked hard, made sacrifices and got back in the black. I’m sure she can do it again, and hopefully this time, with help and support, she can avoid making the same mistakes. But really only time will tell.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:16 PM
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I’d just like her to be able to go about her life in peace. It’s hard to rebuild and move on, if the media doesn’t give you the space in which to do so.
She's perfectly capable of re-building the life she has, if she chooses to stay away from the media. No oprah, no flashing someone elses money. She could fly over to somewhere in the far east and build a new life and come back in 6 months time with nothing on record, no debts just a new life.
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:34 PM
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What strikes me is how much scrutiny British royals get, whatever they do. They can't help being celebrities, at some level, so they might as well enjoy it or at least get used to it (or work it).

I know a lot of every day women who like to joke around, and Sarah Ferguson seems so much like one of them. Fanning money is funny, especially if you're not supposed to do it.

Is it dangerous? Oh, I suppose. Is it embarrassing (a bit) to the status of royalty? Yes, a bit (and a lot if the people observing are staid). Is it worth it to be (a bit) embarrassing to one's former in-laws? Sometimes (I've avoided it, and for precisely the reasons that one should avoid it: it's not classy).

Sarah probably doesn't care if she looks foolish to any folk, and that was likely a point of her display. Perhaps she wants her children to know that doing what one wills (instead of what someone else wills) can be fun. Who knows?

But I sure would hate the public scrutiny she gets. I have no idea how I would react long term.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:42 PM
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She's perfectly capable of re-building the life she has, if she chooses to stay away from the media. No oprah, no flashing someone elses money. She could fly over to somewhere in the far east and build a new life and come back in 6 months time with nothing on record, no debts just a new life.
I don't really understand your comment. How can Sarah rebuild her life if she has no career? What is her "new life" supposed to consist of? Everything she has done since her divorce has involved the media.

I'm not saying I think Oprah's "Finding Sarah" documentary is a great idea, but what are Sarah's other options?

I don't even understand the part about flying to the far east...what is Sarah supposed to do in the far east? For six months? She has already been absent from public life/the media (except for a few tabloid shots) since late May.

I'm not psychic, but I think I'm just repeating what others here have said in different ways, when I say I really don't see the Oprah documentary as re-igniting Sarah's media career. I see it more as the final flicker of Sarah's career. Sarah will probably try to write a few more books/snag a few more speaking engagements for a year or two. When those fizzle out, she will really have to face the music.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:11 AM
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Exactly - outside of a media type job Sarah has no skills that would allow her to get a job as anything. She is either too old or too unskilled for anything except selling herself and her name - that is it.

She can't earn a crust without using her name and connections as that is all she has, and all she has had since she walked down the aisle in 1986.

Whatever skills she had before then would have no chance of getting her a job now because they would be obsolete.

Could the people who say she should get a 'career' or a 'job' come up with viable careers and jobs for a woman with no skills, no qualifications, and only a name to do? Remember she is in her 50s and the unemployment rate in Britain is rather high at the moment - due to the state of the economy. The career/job has to be realistic for the mother of two princesses as well - so check-out chick at a supermarket isn't realistic (besides which she is too old anyway).
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:10 AM
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I don't really understand your comment. How can Sarah rebuild her life if she has no career? What is her "new life" supposed to consist of? Everything she has done since her divorce has involved the media.
If she wanted to re-build her life, she could easily find something else to do outside the media. She might be old, but she isn't 90.

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I'm not saying I think Oprah's "Finding Sarah" documentary is a great idea, but what are Sarah's other options?
Stay away from the media? Why does she have to do a television documentary which will know doubt embarrass her?

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I don't even understand the part about flying to the far east...what is Sarah supposed to do in the far east? For six months? She has already been absent from public life/the media (except for a few tabloid shots) since late May.
Something other than be constantly talked about for her debts and the rubbish way she is living her life? How about charity work? Set up a charity where she could do some good for a change.
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Please give a list of concrete jobs she could do. Actual jobs which a 50+ something can get with no experience, qualifications or skills in a time of high unemployment.

Charities rely on publicity to raise money and she has set up charity already - in 1993 called Children in Crisis. She is currently The Patron of The Teenage Cancer Trust as well. http://www.teenagecancertrust.org/wh...chess-of-york/ Another charity of which she is also currently The Patron is http://www.themullanyfund.org/about/...erguson-patron

However, being Patron of a charity doesn't pay a salary. So that isn't an option for her to be independent.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:54 AM
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Could the people who say she should get a 'career' or a 'job' come up with viable careers and jobs for a woman with no skills, no qualifications, and only a name to do? Remember she is in her 50s and the unemployment rate in Britain is rather high at the moment - due to the state of the economy. The career/job has to be realistic for the mother of two princesses as well - so check-out chick at a supermarket isn't realistic (besides which she is too old anyway).
As far as I recall, she had worked as editor in a publishing house before her wedding and later been a successful (well, at least published) author. These skills in book writing and publishing are things she could base a new, quieter career upon as it shouldn't be too difficult to find a job with her connections. Of course, she would only earn an average income and couldn't support herself anymore in a luxurious way but she would be employed and be able to find more self-esteem on having a place and position where she really belongs. Because without money and a stable foundation your social position in the High Society is not a really pleasant one. You (especially as anyone knows about your financial woes) are just a payed (one way or the other) court jester, mother of princesses or not.
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:14 AM
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The job she had in the publishing world was a secretarial job but the skills needed by a secretary now are very different to those needed in 1986. Then she needed typing, filing and shorthand rather than full ability with a word processor, etc. She simply doesn't have the training or experience to get a job like that now.

No publishing house would employ someone who hasn't been in the field for over 25 years when they can get a young 18 years old and train them to do it their way.

She is unemployable as she has no skills. She might be able to get a job as a cleaner and not much more but that isn't suitable for the mother of two princesses.

Writing is hit and miss - not all her books were successful and are they still selling - not really. Even if she wrote a book it could be years before she earned anything much from it as it would take a year or more to write and then she would have to go to the media to promote it and then hope that people would buy it - what if they don't - she has still no income.

These are not viable options for jobs that would get her a steady income that would allow her to live a life suitable to her position.

Come on people - all of you who put her down and say she has to get a job and live within her means - come up with a viable job for a 50+ woman with no skills or experience. (As a woman of similar age - although 30 years experience in my profession I now it is virtually impossible to change jobs so what chance a person would have with no skills or experience is beyond me). Imagine the job interview - what qualifications do you have - 'none', what jobs have you had 'well a wrote some books, produced a movie, married a prince, oh about 25 years ago I worked as a secretary/girl friday' - by now the potential employer is laughing him/herself silly at her thinking herself able to do the job.
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Old 02-08-2011, 09:07 AM
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It's not about what's suitable for the mother of two princesses. It's what
suitable, period. Part of the reason that she's in such a mess is that she can't separate from the royal lifestyle.

She's obviously never reconciled the fact that she isn't supposed to live like a royal without the necessary funds. She pulled herself out of debt and burned through it, ending up being taken care of by her ex husband and her daughter's trust funds.

Various articles mention her inability to control her impulses. She can't fly coach or even business class, it has to be first she sees something, she gets it. If she had learned to control that aspect of her personality she would not have been in such a massive hole or maybe she might not have been in a hole at all.

Does she need to be in the public eye? Yes, but there's a difference between walking the edge and being in the middle of the spotlight. Rubbing elbows with the elite and trying to be them. Living comfortably or extravagantly. Until she learns that she doesn't need to be the latter nothing's going to change.
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I think you are perfectly right and you paint a correct view of the situation, Sliver bic !
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I think everyone is being a little hard on Sarah. I, too am disappointed in the latest Andrew antics, but she isn't the first or the last person to declare bankruptcy and then continued in her lifestyle.

First of all, the Daily Mail is a big instigator in all things Sarah. She certainly gives them ammunition but come on?! Just because she declared bankruptcy she can't go shopping? Or since, we have no proof that she actually bought anything (does the DM have a receipt) how do we know if the money she was flashing around was hers?

If anyone knows anything about the bankruptcy system (at least in the US), creditors love people who just got out of bankruptcy. Why? Because they have no debt, and can only declare bankruptcy every couple of years so despite the fact that they were a credit risk, now they are less so because they have no debt. Its a double edged sword. And for the record, many well known people and companies have declared bankruptcy and come out stronger than ever (GM to name one large corporation).

Fergie was and is used to a particular style of living (and dont' forget she lived on the fringes of that even before she married Andrew) and while she should certainly not live beyond her means. If she has the intelligence and the ambition to live that way, than she needs to find a way to support herself. And after her divorce, she did just that. Her mistake (like many who have got caught in the global recession) was that she didn't pull in her purse strings when money began to get tight.

As iluvbertie said, there aren't many ways she could support herself. What she should have done (but hindsight is 20/20) was once she cleared her debt the first time (she should have put at least 20 to 30 percent of her sponsorship money to savings), she should have invested in the real estate market (she was in a money position to flip because in the beginning the market was hot) once her sponsorhips ended she should have joined the Board of Directors of any top 100 to 500 US Corporation (its not in Britian and she would have to verify that any business dealings would not embarass the BRF). They pay their directors a nice sum. She has enough friends with money that they could have advised her of ways to diversify her money and holdings so that it wasn't all about Sarah. By that I mean, when the interest in Sarah dried up (as it does for every well known figure) , she would have had her money and interests in other business interests.

She also should have aligned herself with any movie production company and continue to put out movies such as Young Victoria, Howard's End, etc.

Hopefully she will utilize her Oprah exposure in a good way, and if she makes a bit of money she will invest it wisely.
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Zonk you read my mind in regards to Sarah's flashing cash per the DM- the article even says she didn't buy anything but was just carrying Mrs Robbie William's bags ......
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Also, clarification regarding US bankruptcy.

If Sarah was a US citizen, the day after her bankruptcy was discharged she would not be able to just go and ring up thousands and millions dollars of debt. She would start off slow (with a high interest rate credit card or car), and than based on that her credit would grow again.

According to Boxoffice Mojo, Young Victoria cost 35 million and only made 27 million. I wonder if they counted in the DVD sales. Since Sarah was a producer, if the movie had made more it would have increased her investment. She needs to be a producer again of a movie that people really want to see. Something by Jane Austen or so.
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