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Old 11-02-2010, 06:45 PM
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Andrew is supported by the Queen from her private income so whatever she wishes to give him and he to Sarah is none of the business of the British people.

When Andrew travels for official purposes as Trade Representative, or does official engagements the government picks uo the expenses as he is there as a representative of the government - the same as a minister or other government official but he doesn't take Sarah on those visits so what he gives her is nobodies business but his own.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:20 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up in simple terms Iluvbertie.
I only put it out there because there is a general conception that if Andrew pays Sarah's debts its at the taxpayers expense.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:29 PM
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Whilst I agree on the principle of standing on your own two feet and not scrounging off your ex, Sarah has demonstrated that if she tries to earn her own living, she can be a major public embarassment. Hence my suggestion. The key is that it has to be a relatively modest lifestyle, with some clear pre-conditions (ie, no paid work, no media exposure).
I agree. I think we all know that Sarah is not going to get a "good job" to support herself. If she is going to be forced to support herself I believe she will do it the embarrassing way.

the easiest option for the royal image is to just set her up with something so she'll shut up. Also, get her to sign a contract to not be on tv or take money from others anymore as a condition.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:05 AM
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That's horrible for the Royal Image imo, to sit there and admit that they're essentially allowing themselves to be held hostage by Sarah.
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:55 PM
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...get her to sign a contract to not be on tv or take money from others anymore as a condition.
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just wanted to ask, do you think Sarah would abide by such an agreement? Or would she write a tell-all book about how she's being abused by TRF again? (Restricting her freedom and things like that.)
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:38 PM
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Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just wanted to ask, do you think Sarah would abide by such an agreement? Or would she write a tell-all book about how she's being abused by TRF again? (Restricting her freedom and things like that.)
Welcome aboard AnnEliza. The impression I have is that she wouldn't agree to such an agreement. She seems to be full of energy and wants to live life to the full so I don't think living somewhere quiet in the US or elsewhere, with very little to do all day is something that she would want.
I know her daughters are grown up but she's always going to spend a significant amount of time in the UK because of them (although keeping a lower profile would be a good idea). I also think she is pretty committed to her charity work so she needs to be in the public eye to a certain degree for that. As for a tell-all book, in her autobiography she didn't reveal anything that wasn't already in the public domain, and if she criticised anyone it was the courtiers, not senior members of the RF.
For what it's worth I don't think Andrew wants to cuts all ties with her, he had the chance to do so earlier this summer but instead came to her rescue. They have a 25 year history so I think they are always going to be a major part of each others lives.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:04 PM
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Welcome aboard AnnEliza. The impression I have is that she wouldn't agree to such an agreement. She seems to be full of energy and wants to live life to the full so I don't think living somewhere quiet in the US or elsewhere, with very little to do all day is something that she would want.
I don't think such an agreement will ever happen, either. Sarah doesn't want to be controlled by the royal family, and the royal family doesn't want to be responsible for her. Also, Sarah can avoid the media when she really has to, even without any kind of formal agreement. She has hardly been seen in public since May.

On the other hand, I think there already is a slightly similar arrangement to the one people are suggesting, but it's between Andrew and Sarah rather than the royal family and Sarah. Andrew helps Sarah out financially and in return, Sarah takes his advice. Sarah will take advice from Andrew that she probably wouldn't take from the other royals, and the Queen lets Andrew help her out financially so she doesn't have to do it.

I used to think the royal family would accept Sarah again someday, after Prince Philip died, but since last summer I don't think that will ever happen. I do think, though, that Sarah and Andrew will continue to stick together with their girls as a family unit. There is supposedly no love lost between Charles and Andrew, so when Charles becomes king, I think the two families (Andrew and Charles') will become more and more detached from each other. But whatever happens with the rest of the RF, I think Sarah will always have Andrew and the girls.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:34 PM
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It wasn't in the public domain that she got warts from her sister-in-law's (Diana's) shoes. I thought that was an unnecessary detail for her to include and rather unkind.


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Old 11-05-2010, 12:28 AM
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As I've stated before, Sarah wouldn't dare write a "tell all" book criticizing the Royal Family and "exposing" secrets. She'd lose Andrew for sure besides angering Her Majesty. If Andrew goes, then there goes the hand that feeds and keeps her in money. She'd be astonishingly stupid if she did.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:06 AM
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It wasn't in the public domain that she got warts from her sister-in-law's (Diana's) shoes. I thought that was an unnecessary detail for her to include and rather unkind.
I have always felt that was a bit of 'get even' for Diana being seen as perfect and Sarah being seen as the bad one. Sarah shoed that Diana had her 'warts' not only metaphorically but literally.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:35 AM
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Yes, I agree. There was a certain cattiness to the remark, which I'm sure that Sarah felt fully justified in making.


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I have always felt that was a bit of 'get even' for Diana being seen as perfect and Sarah being seen as the bad one. Sarah shoed that Diana had her 'warts' not only metaphorically but literally.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:08 AM
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Sarah was probably jealous of Diana and was getting even with her, but I don't feel that Sarah ever did or ever would expose the royal family's secrets in the way that Diana did in the Andrew Morton book. I think Diana could be deliberately mean and vengeful, whereas Sarah really wasn't. Both women blamed the palace for their problems at times, but I think Sarah also blamed herself whereas Diana was only interested in blaming other people and making them look bad.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:29 AM
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As I've stated before, Sarah wouldn't dare write a "tell all" book criticizing the Royal Family and "exposing" secrets. She'd lose Andrew for sure besides angering Her Majesty. If Andrew goes, then there goes the hand that feeds and keeps her in money. She'd be astonishingly stupid if she did.
She's been astonishingly stupid. Part of me thinks that it might not be love but a complete lack of spine and/or brains on Andrew's part. He's known for doing stupid things as well, like flying a helicopter to deliver a trophy to a golf tournament less than an hours drive away.

Maybe he's found his soul mate in Sarah because of this. While it doesn't stop him from being a good father, it might be that the only thing that stops Andrew from going off the rails is his mother and the rest of the family while Sarah is allowed to be a train wreck because he protects her.
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You're right -- it's been years since I read her book, but she did complain about the courtiers rather than the Royal Family. And I doubt she would do so.
It does seem that she and Andrew will probably go on as they are now. I wondered, when she appeared on Oprah, if that meant she would want to live in the U.S., but I don't think she would like it here -- people watched her on Oprah, then forgot about her. Though there are always those who would want to be around her because of her title. I know, it's how her name is styled, but to most Americans, "Duchess of York" is a title. I never understood why she was still called that after divorce until I read about it on this forum.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:32 PM
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I agree. Sarah has her "issues", but I don't think that she's been nearly as destructive to the BRF in personal terms.


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I don't feel that Sarah ever did or ever would expose the royal family's secrets in the way that Diana did in the Andrew Morton book. I think Diana could be deliberately mean and vengeful, whereas Sarah really wasn't.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:45 AM
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I wouldn't put it past her to write another book about her "new wonderful self". Haha. I think she's too pathetic to ever go as far as Diana--mostly because Diana could support herself without the RF and Sarah can't.

Sarah does seem to get herself into very, very stupid situations. It isn't the stupidity that bothers me about Sarah, it's my fear that she is kind of crazy. Like, she could 'go over the edge at any minute', crazy. Hopefully she gets the help she needs. Diana also needed help with depression, I think the RF learned from ignoring that too...
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:06 AM
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I wouldn't put it past her to write another book about her "new wonderful self". Haha. I think she's too pathetic to ever go as far as Diana--mostly because Diana could support herself without the RF and Sarah can't.

Sarah does seem to get herself into very, very stupid situations. It isn't the stupidity that bothers me about Sarah, it's my fear that she is kind of crazy. Like, she could 'go over the edge at any minute', crazy. Hopefully she gets the help she needs. Diana also needed help with depression, I think the RF learned from ignoring that too...

Diana could support herself without the RF because of the 17 million pounds they had to pay her in the divorce settlement.

They gave Sarah a paltry settlement which meant she had to earn a living and the only thing she had to sell was her name, Sarah, Duchess of York.

I now suspect that the RF have realised that she should have been better provided for and are helping her sort things out. I don't think Andrew would be doing this alone without the support and backing of his mother.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:38 AM
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Diana could support herself without the RF because of the 17 million pounds they had to pay her in the divorce settlement.

They gave Sarah a paltry settlement which meant she had to earn a living and the onlt thing she had to sell was her name, Sarah, Duchess of York.

I know suspect that the RF have realised that she should have been better provided for and are helping her sort things out. I don't think Andrew would be doing this alone without the support and backing of his mother.
Fully agree with your post - I suspect Andrew (with HMs consent) is probably helping Sarah financially
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:22 PM
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Diana could support herself without the RF because of the 17 million pounds they had to pay her in the divorce settlement.

They gave Sarah a paltry settlement which meant she had to earn a living and the only thing she had to sell was her name, Sarah, Duchess of York.

I now suspect that the RF have realised that she should have been better provided for and are helping her sort things out. I don't think Andrew would be doing this alone without the support and backing of his mother.
Diana also had money of her own. I'm sure the RF would have cut her out of any money, much like Sarah, if Diana hadn't been so popular.

I agree. I think they have learned from Sarah's overly public desire for more money and will give it to her. They would look cold if they didn't. Haha it's kind of funny. Even royalty with all of their money, fight like everyone else over who gets money and who gets nothing.
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Diana also had money of her own. I'm sure the RF would have cut her out of any money, much like Sarah, if Diana hadn't been so popular.
Her popularity had nothing to do with it. It was Charles perceived wealth and her poition as William's mother. Actually her lawyers even claimed that she should have received more due to Charles' future as King. Of course the taxman ended up with a lot of it in death duties due to the way she set up her estate.
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