Duties and Roles of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie 1: Discussion Until 2022


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It depends on the view of higher education (which also varies between countries; the UK is rather 'output focused' in that the Higher Education focus is far more on preparation for working life than most continental countries - that still have 'binary systems' which distinguish between university education and higher professional education - while the latter is considered university as well in other countries (typically as '(state) college' or 'post- 1992', 'newer university' or 'teaching university', etc). Some degrees (higher professional degrees) prepare you specifically for a profession, however, most degrees at research universities aim to give you an academic education that will serve you quite broadly in various fields.
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In my personal opinion, Princess Beatrice would have benefited more from a degree that facilitated an independent plum career.
 
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Did Andrew push for Beatrice and Eugenie to be on the slate for CHOGM events to show they should be having more royal engagements? The York princesses hardly get a write up unless their names are tied to a scandal. Kate and Meghan dominate the royal news cycle. I wonder if the engagements are assigned in part who draws the most attention?

Eh, honestly don't know if Beatrice would get more attention if she attends more royal engagement. Princess Anne doesn't get much attention and she's right up there with Charles in terms of amount of engagements she attend each year.
 
I don't believe it was a 'mutual' decision at all.

She, reportedly (in many news outlets and from my personal sources) went to both Charles and William to ask them to allow her to do more in the Jubilee year as she wanted to help but was told clearly by both of them she was 'surplus to requirements'.

Eugenie never wanted that life but Beatrice did. Her uncle and cousin though have never wanted her in that role but they didn't tell her until virtually she had finished university. That was why at school and uni she studied courses of interest to her but not in fields where she wanted to work. She studied History and History of Ideas but wanted to work in business so should have studied more Maths/Business based subjects. Had she been told, what she was told in 2011, when choosing her later high school and then university subjects she would have chosen differently.


I believe that, in the UK, History is a degree that is actually considered a good preparation for many careers in the private sector, as well as politics and public life, because it focuses mostly on analytical skills and data interpretation rather than traditional chronological history per se. Besides, if she wants to expand her academic training, Beatrice can still go for a graduate (in UK terminology, "postgraduate") degree.
 
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I don't believe it was a 'mutual' decision at all.

She, reportedly (in many news outlets and from my personal sources) went to both Charles and William to ask them to allow her to do more in the Jubilee year as she wanted to help but was told clearly by both of them she was 'surplus to requirements'.

Eugenie never wanted that life but Beatrice did. Her uncle and cousin though have never wanted her in that role but they didn't tell her until virtually she had finished university. That was why at school and uni she studied courses of interest to her but not in fields where she wanted to work. She studied History and History of Ideas but wanted to work in business so should have studied more Maths/Business based subjects. Had she been told, what she was told in 2011, when choosing her later high school and then university subjects she would have chosen differently.
I feel like it's unfair to put that on William and Charles. It was her decision to spend her college years taking the classes that she did. And she did find out in 2011, but I think she could've gone back to school to further her studies since then if she wished. She certainly has the resources. I'm just a few months younger than Beatrice, and decided in 2016 to go back and get my MBA while still working. Her choices didn't end before 2011.

And let's not forget that many people change career paths in their adult life. So having thought you'd be doing something else before you were 22 is hardly a new concept. Many people flourish even with that.
 
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I feel like it's unfair to put that on William and Charles. It was her decision to spend her college years taking the classes that she did. And she did find out in 2011, but I think she could've gone back to school to further her studies since then if she wished. She certainly has the resources. I'm just a few months younger than Beatrice, and decided in 2016 to go back and get my MBA while still working. Her choices didn't end before 2011.

And let's not forget that many people change career paths in their adult life. So having thought you'd be doing something else before you were 22 is hardly a new concept. Many people flourish even with that.

But, again, I was just pointing out that, in the UK, it is not that unusual to find people working in finance or consulting whose bachelor's degree was in
History. In other words, History is a far more prestigious undergraduate degree in the UK than it is in the US for example, where any degree that is not strictly STEM is pretty much considered a "soft" and useless degree these days.
 
Just about any degree discipline will see you meeting the essential entry criteria for graduate positions in a whole host of sectors in the UK, including business, finance, banking and law. So long as the degree is not something totally at the other end of the academic scale e.g. modern dance or something. If you get a 1st or a 2.1 from a decent university then you're going to be fine. The hardest part of getting one of these roles, which have very attractive starting salaries and offer the chance to progress quickly up the ladder, is the torturous assessment days.

The degree is important in showing that you are used to working on your own initiative, can source and analyse data from a range of sources and can succeed in high pressure environments.

Your actual degree discipline is not so important most of the time unless you want to work in healthcare or engineering for example. Most of the job descriptions for these graduate jobs don't even list a preferred degree discipline at all.

Beatrice's degree would have left her with any number of options in sectors that she seems to demonstrate a degree of interest in (to say nothing of her personal contacts and connections!). She's chosen not to truly commit to any of these options from what I can see. That is not the fault of Charles or William IMO.
 
Did Andrew push for Beatrice and Eugenie to be on the slate for CHOGM events to show they should be having more royal engagements? The York princesses hardly get a write up unless their names are tied to a scandal. Kate and Meghan dominate the royal news cycle. I wonder if the engagements are assigned in part who draws the most attention?
Why on earth would Andrew do so if the gossips are correct and the Queen and POW have absolutely squashed previous begging and grovelling from Andrew?

Needless to say, I do not believe the gossip and find the continual defaming of Beatrice and Eugenie for no good reason unfair and malicious. I do not understand the sniping about Beatrice and would love to hear about an actual scandal or two in which she has been pivotal or even involved in.
 
Honestly the reason Beatrice and Eugenie likely played as large a role as they did during CHOGM was because Kate was out of commission due to her pregnancy. If Kate hadn't been on maternity leave several, though probably not all, of the events the Yorks attended could have seen them replaced by Kate.

Their increased presence at CHOGM doesn't signify their ascent to becoming working royals, it signals that there was an increase in engagements and a major hole to fill with Kate being out of commission.
 
We also have to keep in mind that CHOGM doesn't usually take place in London, and usually don't see that many royals. I believe it's only been HMQ, DoE, PoW, and DoC in the past when they traveled. We also have to consider the fact that Meghan hasn't actually married into the family, and thus not official royal, so she didn't attend the formal dinner.
 
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Honestly the reason Beatrice and Eugenie likely played as large a role as they did during CHOGM was because Kate was out of commission due to her pregnancy. If Kate hadn't been on maternity leave several, though probably not all, of the events the Yorks attended could have seen them replaced by Kate.

Their increased presence at CHOGM doesn't signify their ascent to becoming working royals, it signals that there was an increase in engagements and a major hole to fill with Kate being out of commission.

Late to the party, but Beatrice was at the Fashion exchange event where and Sophie and Kate were both present. I think the York gals were at CHOGM banquet because their presence was wanted not necessairly because someone was out of comission. Not that they will become working royals anytime soon, but I dont think they are getting events because Kate is out of commission either
 
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Honestly the reason Beatrice and Eugenie likely played as large a role as they did during CHOGM was because Kate was out of commission due to her pregnancy. If Kate hadn't been on maternity leave several, though probably not all, of the events the Yorks attended could have seen them replaced by Kate.

Their increased presence at CHOGM doesn't signify their ascent to becoming working royals, it signals that there was an increase in engagements and a major hole to fill with Kate being out of commission.

The girls attended one event officially - the banquet.

The other events were those associated either with Pitch@Palace or their own charities and events they normally attend.
 
Beatrice is attending the Duke of Edinburgh awards reception later this month with William and Edward.
 
Beatrice is attending the Duke of Edinburgh awards reception later this month with William and Edward.

If the Duke of York doesn't have an event that day will she get CC credit, it's happenned before when they girls aren't with their father they don't get credit , but since she is on the invitation I wonder if it will be different?
 
Eh, honestly don't know if Beatrice would get more attention if she attends more royal engagement. Princess Anne doesn't get much attention and she's right up there with Charles in terms of amount of engagements she attend each year.

Yes Anne is known to be an extremely hard working and knowledgeable royal who takes her position very seriously but she also doesn't do the attention bit. She just goes her way, doing her job and smiling to all that attend. I don't believe she cares if her photo is in the media or not. She seems to conduct her engagements as a job that she prides herself in doing well. She doesn't need the attention. Different type of royal.
 
If the Duke of York doesn't have an event that day will she get CC credit, it's happenned before when they girls aren't with their father they don't get credit , but since she is on the invitation I wonder if it will be different?

She was credited when she attended the fashion event with Kate and Sophie earlier this year.
 
She was credited when she attended the fashion event with Kate and Sophie earlier this year.

Yes, I know that is the case, but there was a mention of the Duke of York's birthday. Had their been no mention would she have received her own entry?
 
To be honest, I don't think that Beatrice is cut out to be a Career Women, not all women are. She seems to come alive when she is doing her charity work and I feel it is a shame that passion is wasted.
 
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:previous: To be honest, I don't think that Beatrice is cut out to be a Career Women, not all women are. She seems to come alive when she is doing her charity work and I feel it is a shame that passion is wasted.

I tend to agree.
I think what would make Beatrice happiest is a life somewhat like Sophie's, where she could combine family life (I do think she would like to be married and settled) with her patronages.

It's too bad she will not be an official member of The Firm; I suspect she counted on that and everything else now seems second-best.
 
I tend to agree.
I think what would make Beatrice happiest is a life somewhat like Sophie's, where she could combine family life (I do think she would like to be married and settled) with her patronages.

It's too bad she will not be an official member of The Firm; I suspect she counted on that and everything else now seems second-best.

I agree, I think her heart was in being a working member of the family and she's never really been interested in anything else in the same way.
 
Actually, I think Beatrice is set to have the best of both worlds at her fingertips. She can do as much charity works as she wants to and yet still call the shots on when, where, why and how without being on a rigid schedule from the "Firm".

Once married, perhaps raising a family and doing her charity work will be fulfilling for her. She's in the position now to make her life to be any way she wants it to be.
 
Actually, I think Beatrice is set to have the best of both worlds at her fingertips. She can do as much charity works as she wants to and yet still call the shots on when, where, why and how without being on a rigid schedule from the "Firm".

Once married, perhaps raising a family and doing her charity work will be fulfilling for her. She's in the position now to make her life to be any way she wants it to be.

There is nothing to stop her doing charity work, if that is what she wants to do.. but she is nto required by the RF to be on the official roster.
 
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There is nothing to stop her doing charity work, if that is what she wants to do.. but she is nto required by the RF to be on the official roster.

That was my point. She can call the shots and do or not do whatever floats her boat without having requirements. She could marry and move to the far reaches of the earth and teach belly dancing and raise her family in a yurt if she really wanted to.

To me, it also shows that the charity work that she does do is because she wants to do it rather than it being expected of her as her role of a princess. I do think she realizes this and being a member of the "Firm" isn't something she'd be overly vocal about being excluded from.

All of this discussion on Beatrice's private affairs go to show me that *not* being a full time royal working for the "Firm" actually is in her favor. Her private life is just that. Private. Whatever decisions she makes on just about anything to do with her life are hers and hers alone. ?
 
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That was my point. She can call the shots and do or not do whatever floats her boat without having requirements. She could marry and move to the far reaches of the earth and teach belly dancing and raise her family in a yurt if she really wanted to.

To me, it also shows that the charity work that she does do is because she wants to do it rather than it being expected of her as her role of a princess. I do think she realizes this and being a member of the "Firm" isn't something she'd be overly vocal about being excluded from.

I don't know. I think maybe she and Eugenie did hope to be take on as Royal wrorkers..but I think now they realise its not going to happen. ANd Boht of them do a little charity work.. I don't know if it is because they have a particular interest in certain charities or because they feel it is part of being a Princess to take on some causes. But if either of them chose to be full time devoting themselves to causes, and not taking a paid job.. that would be fine provided they don't tread on the toes of any other royal.. and Im sure they have enough money to live independently and do not need to work at a job.
 
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It seemed to come naturally to both Beatrice and her sister. Just like accompanying Granny to the Maundy Thursday Service and helping with the flowers when they were young. Once Zara was fully involved in riding and education she turned Christmas and Easter over to them as well.

When Louise was old enough they trained her and now even James has been known to help. It is something that is handed off to the younger Royals and Beatrice and Eugenie were the first I really noticed. And how faithfully they fulfilled that task.

They have carried those early lessons into adulthood and they both undertake work for their few Patronages but mostly they work in fundraising which is hard but worthy work and they have involved themselves at a Joe Blogs level, running in sponsored marathons, etc.
 
:previous: Few patronages? They both until a few recent editions, had more then Kate. And the visits that they make to their patronages are very much the same thing working royals do. The only difference is that they don't get any recognition for those visits or any paid staff to help.

Yes Beatrice has taken it one step further, and should be applauded for that. Not 'well she mainly fundraises' like that's a bad thing, or lower then the cutting ribbons her cousins do. As a founder of Big Change, she actively raises money through things like marathons, triathalons, climbs and such.

Eugenie mainly does the tours. But then again she also works a full time job at an art gallery. Beatrice does work as well, though her schedule is far more flexible.

Any comment on 'few patronages' or limited work should also remember this is not their job. Unlike their cousins, being patrons is not their full time work. They both balance jobs on top of their patronages.
 
Both Beatrice and Eugenie are patrons of charities that personally mean a lot to them like Helen Arkell Dyslexia Society and the RNOH as well as patrons of the charities their mother set up and have founded charities of there own. I think they actually do quite a bit for non full time royals but it often doesn't get reported on at all. Half the info comes direct from Eugenie's instagram.
 
Yikes!!! I poked the bear. Sorry guys didn't mean to make their charity work sound "less" in some real way than that of the working royals when the exact opposite is true. Leading from the front, as they so often do, motivates other young people to get involved with fundraising and let's face it, it takes a lot of donations to raise the required amount for specialised hospital equipment, etc. So no, I love that they are prepared to get down and get their hands dirty with everyone else whether running a marathon, scaling mountains or riding bikes. Their bubbly input is invaluable.

Beatrice has shared her learning disability in a real and painful way, sharing the difficulties and celebrating the wins, showing youngsters that dyslexia and other such learning disabilities are an obstacle that doesn't have to ruin their lives. Eugenie's wedding dress was the "cherry on top" of her work with scoliosis. What a stunning and elegant wedding gown, with its dramatic and amazing back, showed every young sufferer that surgery wouldn't make them look ugly.

I think over the years I have probably been taking their work for granted because they have done it for so long compared to their cousins, William and Harry. Their happily collecting flowers for 'Granny' with brilliant smiles when they were young is a 'duty' like any other but Beatrice and Eugenie just made it part of the event.

Both have been gifted with wonderful natural smiles and that is their default expression. A smile is the ultimate icebreaker, helping them in many charities and causes and when I see the very rare photos of them doing their "second" jobs it always brings a smile to my face.
 
Lately we’re beginning to see more of Beatrice and Eugenie.
I know they won’t be full time royals, but i think it’s very likely that they’d be part time royals - something like Prince and Princess Michael of Kent.

I don’t know why, but as the Queen is aging, I see her giving some of her patronage’s to her York granddaughters
 
Will Princess Beatrice step up and take on royal responsibilities?
 
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