Duties and Roles of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie 1: Discussion Until 2022

[Mermaid1962]

I think that Beatrice and Eugenie could be needed occasionally until Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and any future children of William and/or Harry finish their educations. I don't see them being full-time working members of the Firm at any point.

 

[rominet09]

More on this in The Sun today!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20347...r-eugenie-and-beatrice-to-funded-by-taxpayer/

I agree... they can work !

 

[Gretijean]

If the BRF want to continue with a similar number of appearances, they will need people to fill the roles of the older members of the family. Some of the older royals, the Kents, Princess Alexandra, the Glouchesters are invited to events due to their connections and having been members of the royal family. The cousins of HM won't be available during Williams reign. If they want the same connection with the public, they will need the York Princesses to pick up the slack. It will be a minimum of 15 years for George and Charlotte. Even more years for Harry's potential children.

As for the Duke of York, he is trying to secure positions for his daughters one last time before Charles becomes king. How could Bea's breakup not factor in? As it doesn't seem that the Beatrice and Eugenie will be marrying into money, he has to try to get them into royal family role. If they were married with kids, would the public expect them to work even though they get no financial gain? Probably not and any charity work would be seen as bonus.

I do feel that grouping them together is a bit unfair. Eugenie has at least had jobs while Beatrice hasn't seem to find a purpose. As for going into "finance" without any degree or previous job qualifications seems like an uphill battle. Should they have been more practical at university to get a degree that actually gives them a salary. Art History Degrees are usually underemployed.

Can someone enlighten me about why living in Kensington Palace is the place to live? Aren't their other swanky neighborhoods to live in in London? Or is it because William, Kate, and Harry live there? Other working royals live there? They will have to pay fair market rent. Is it a social status issue? They both have trust funds from the QM - wouldn't it be wise to purchase a home rather than rent.

Thanks in Advance!

 

[Skippyboo]

Duties and Roles of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie

Who is to say that the BRF want to maintain the engagement numbers? They may want them to drop and use the money from less engagements to help pay for the extensive repairs on the royal palaces.

Andrew wants his girls to be full time royals then the KP apartments would not cost anything like the apartments the Cambridges, Harry, Dukes of Kent and Gloucester have.

You are looking at £1.5 million for a 2 bedroom apartment near KP. The big apartments that the 3 Dukes have are way bigger. Even Prince and Princess Michael's apartment is 10 rooms.


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[sndral]

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I do feel that grouping them together is a bit unfair. Eugenie has at least had jobs while Beatrice hasn't seem to find a purpose. As for going into "finance" without any degree or previous job qualifications seems like an uphill battle. Should they have been more practical at university to get a degree that actually gives them a salary. Art History Degrees are usually underemployed.

Can someone enlighten me about why living in Kensington Palace is the place to live? Aren't their other swanky neighborhoods to live in in London? Or is it because William, Kate, and Harry live there? Other working royals live there? They will have to pay fair market rent. Is it a social status issue? They both have trust funds from the QM - wouldn't it be wise to purchase a home rather than rent.

Thanks in Advance!

I agree, Eugenie and Beatrice seem to me to be following very different paths and Eugenie has worked steadily for several years now and has not been pictured at all of the exotic venues that her sister has. Eugenie seems more grounded and pragmatic than her sister & doesn't seem to have the same wanderlust that Beatrice has.
I assume a big advantage for KP & the reason they currently share the SJP apartment is that both palaces have security 24/7. Eugenie and Beatrice do generate press attention as well as perhaps a few fixated crazies so it's not a bad idea for them to locate @ KP or SJP if they intend to live in London, but assuming they'll need larger apartments once they have children I'm not sure their trusts are generous enough to support market rate for a larger apartment @ KP & support their lifestyle.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out once Charles controls the purse strings.

 

[royal-blue]

Although I completely disagree that the girls are needed as full time royals, they are in a unique situation of being titled princesses who are expected to live normal lives.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be given larger homes in a palace of their choice if this is what they want. It is better to have these old buildings lived in than just being left dormant or unoccupied. They should not be expected to pay market rate rent though because they did not ask to be born royal.

Also if they were to become full time working royals, then it would only be fair that the Wessex children are allowed to be so in the future as well. There are already more than enough royals, and if more engagements need picking up from the older royals, then we have W, K and H who are a very long way indeed from a full royal workload.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Although I completely disagree that the girls are needed as full time royals, they are in a unique situation of being titled princesses who are expected to live normal lives.

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There are hundreds of titled persons who are expected to live normal lives. Even the grandest Dukes have to work for their money, these days.

 

[Rudolph]

An opinion piece. I'm afraid we'll see more of this. Right or wrong perception is reality when it comes to Beatrice and Eugenie.

GOOD for Prince Charles blocking his brother’s request for full-time royal roles for his daughters Beatrice and Eugenie.

The Queen has apparently been pulled into this row after Prince Andrew wanted royal “jobs” for Princess Beatrice, aged 28 and her sister 26 year-old Princess Eugenie.

As a royals fan, I just don’t see what they add to the family firm, especially when compared to hard-working Princess Anne.

They don’t appear to have stuck at careers.

They take regular costly holidays.

And would simply be a drain on the national coffers.

A big no to royal jobs for the girls (From The Bolton News)

 

[royal rob]

Thinking about it I don't think either would enjoy being a full time royal. At the moment they can have holiday after holiday staying with wealthy people etc. it does get written about but nothing like it would if they were on the payroll and living in a expensive apartment


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[LauraS3514]

None of us actually know how much, if any, of this story is true. The Daily Fail goes after the Yorks on a regular basis (and has since shortly after Andrew and Sarah's wedding - I've got old scrapbooks from the late 80s that prove it "Fat Fergie and Di at War Again! was a favorite) and this exact same scenario/story comes up every few years. Andrew is "worried" that Charles's family gets more press? Give me a break - he knows how the royal system works and that his life as a second son meant that in time he and his family would slip out of the limelight. No real news to him.

None of us knows what will happen as The Queen and her cousins pass into history (hopefully in many years - and remember the Gloucesters are only four and two years older than the POW) or how the numbers of working royals and royal engagements will change. For now, Eugenie has a full-time job and has had one since she graduated university. She has charities she supports in ways we never hear about. Beatrice is still, like many people of her generation, looking for a career but also is involved in far more charity work than we know of (would we have known about her trip to the Nepalese eye hospital if the hospital itself hadn't posted it on Facebook?) Neither one receives any public money so they can spend their time as they wish - but the DM seems to perpetuate the myth that they are off spending taxpayer money hand over fist on "holidays" which are more often than not the same kinds of weekend getaways that most well-off Europeans indulge in on a regular basis and by recycling old photos and implying completely different timelines. They have security due to their status as targets - which they are as The Queen's granddaughters - which is paid for privately. (How horrible it would be if they were attacked? You can bet that enough bad people know exactly who they are and where they are.) What public duties they have are performed well - those who have met them speak of how well-prepared and enthusiastic they are.

Beatrice and Eugenie are in a catch-22 not of their own making in a changing royal world where they don't know how they will ultimately fit in. They have grown up, yes, very privileged, but in the most vicious press environment to date and in the most watched goldfish bowl of all time. That they are reasonably well-adjusted adults despite all of this is actually nothing short of amazing.

 

[SLV]

Previous.
I completely agree.
The whining-father-stories that keep coming up, sound rather off. Sure, he wants the best for his girls, but I do think that he is also a practical man. He knows the rules of the Firm and what is the way of things.
Now, I do not have this critical view of Beatrice that some here have, but she does seem to have things/her future less planned out than her sister. And that the media is constantly talking about 'the sisters do this, the sisters are holidaying again, they are out of a job again', seems to me very unfair to Eugenie who seems to have everything sorted out.

 

[rmay286]

And that the media is constantly talking about 'the sisters do this, the sisters are holidaying again, they are out of a job again', seems to me very unfair to Eugenie who seems to have everything sorted out.

Yes, I agree. I keep seeing comments online about how Eugenie is unemployed, "When will she find a real job?" "Is she taking a break from her latest vacation?" It seems like Beatrice and Eugenie are being lumped together, even though they're following different paths in life.

 

[SLV]

Yes, I agree. I keep seeing comments online about how Eugenie is unemployed, "When will she find a real job?" "Is she taking a break from her latest vacation?" It seems like Beatrice and Eugenie are being lumped together, even though they're following different paths in life.

'Lumped together' . Those were the words I was looking for.

 

[Mirabel]

'Lumped together' . Those were the words I was looking for.

I've noticed that many commentators don't seem to know which is which: I keep seeing references to the red-haired one or the dark-haired one.

Surely they are not that hard to distinguish?

 

[Curryong]

Are the tabs employing 17 year old journalists nowadays, people with no knowledge whatsoever of Royal family members? Because it seems increasingly likely that they are!

 

[muriel]

Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie slammed by TV personality - Emirates 24|7

I don't think Vanessa was really slamming B&E. Her point is one that I, and a lot of Britons share - B&E are really not required by the firm for the foreseeable future, and they should be free to pursue their own interests outside of the firm. I don't think this is a criticism of the girls per se, just a recognition of where they are in the pecking order!

 

[royal rob]

I don't think Vanessa was really slamming B&E. Her point is one that I, and a lot of Britons share - B&E are really not required by the firm for the foreseeable future, and they should be free to pursue their own interests outside of the firm. I don't think this is a criticism of the girls per se, just a recognition of where they are in the pecking order!

I agree with your post. I also think it's Charles decision what happens. I dearly love our Queen but it's Charles that is the future. If Andrew did hassle his 90 year old mother about this situation ( not saying it's true ) that's bad form.


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[rmay286]

Prince Charles insists Beatrice and Eugenie don’t deserve full-time royal status | Daily Mail Online

As an example: this article. It mentions Beatrice's constant holidaying, says both girls want a royal role, but doesn't explain what Eugenie does. I notice in the comments, people are telling them to "Get a job!" This is really pretty unfair to Eugenie. This kind of article really annoys me, as it sets up a narrative of Beatrice and Eugenie being lazy party girls who don't deserve royal roles. I can agree that Beatrice has taken many vacations, but she also does a fair bit of charity work, which somehow gets covered as another 'vacation.'

 

[muriel]

The Queen sides with princesses in royal battle of the brothers | Daily Mail Online

Its just that the article fails to estgablish how the Queen sides with the princesses!

 

[AdmirerUS]

If any of this is true,

I just want to say that once again courtiers leaking information is inexcusable. It makes the family look petty and small. And Senior royals encouraging courtiers to leak info is smaller than small.
If...

 

[Countessmeout]

Prince Charles insists Beatrice and Eugenie don’t deserve full-time royal status | Daily Mail Online

As an example: this article. It mentions Beatrice's constant holidaying, says both girls want a royal role, but doesn't explain what Eugenie does. I notice in the comments, people are telling them to "Get a job!" This is really pretty unfair to Eugenie. This kind of article really annoys me, as it sets up a narrative of Beatrice and Eugenie being lazy party girls who don't deserve royal roles. I can agree that Beatrice has taken many vacations, but she also does a fair bit of charity work, which somehow gets covered as another 'vacation.'

Exactly. Like her recent vacation to New York where she had dinner with the fashion world....oh wait she was there to present an award at an UN event. But of course the news over looks that. Or those vacations in Italy and Bhutan, you know she is just some globe trotting laze about.

You would think eugenies article about her job would help. She works forty hours a week and still does charity work. But yes she needs to find a job.

 

[Winnie]

If any of this is true,

I just want to say that once again courtiers leaking information is inexcusable. It makes the family look petty and small. And Senior royals encouraging courtiers to leak info is smaller than small.
If...

Actually, until I read something official from P. Charles, P. Andrew, or a proper news media quoting an interview with a named person, I am taking everything printed by tabloids with a huge grain of salt. They tend to made up huge stories at the drop of a hat to get printed and save their paychecks. I believe that once Prince Charles has had enough of this back-biting, he will make his feeling quite known and give his personal reasons for the betterment of the crown and country. I am sure that the Queen knows that once she is no longer here, Charles will eventually get his own way. She is a very intelligent woman and realizes that Charles would never demean or mentally hurt his nieces. JMHO on how I receive Prince Charles.

Prince Charles insists Beatrice and Eugenie don’t deserve full-time royal status | Daily Mail Online

I would actually like to know to whom Prince Charles insisted that his nieces don't deserve full-time royal status. Is this actually true or was it taken out of contents by some tabloid reporter. Did Beatrice or Eugenie have a say in this whole debate? Something just not right in this entire fiasco.

 

[suztav]

From a very practical point-of-view, Charles and later William will need Beatrice and Eugenie. England -- and Great Britain -- is just too big a place to expect that the various appearances and patronages could be handled by just William, Catherine, Harry, and his wife. It's just not practical --- JMH0!

 

[sndral]

From a very practical point-of-view, Charles and later William will need Beatrice and Eugenie. England -- and Great Britain -- is just too big a place to expect that the various appearances and patronages could be handled by just William, Catherine, Harry, and his wife. It's just not practical --- JMH0!

I assume those already performing Royal duties who are younger than Charles & Camilla - Anne age 66, Andrew age 56, Edward age 52 and Sophie age 51, will continue to perform Royal engagements during the reign of King Charles and contribute to the reign of their nephew as well. William, Harry and their spouses will go from part time to full time, so lots of Royals to go around (and for Charles to support) without adding in the York daughters.

 

[PetticoatLane]

Exactly. Like her recent vacation to New York where she had dinner with the fashion world....oh wait she was there to present an award at an UN event. But of course the news over looks that. Or those vacations in Italy and Bhutan, you know she is just some globe trotting laze about.

You would think eugenies article about her job would help. She works forty hours a week and still does charity work. But yes she needs to find a job.

If Eugenie works 40 hours per week and yet still socialises and travels at the level she currently does, then this woman shouldn't be a full time royal, she should be nominated for queen of the entire world.

Like the DM or not, all those foreign trips are not made up, some may have an element of charity work in there somewhere, but the idea that she does all that while working full time is simply not believable.

The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.

 

[RoyalHighness 2002]

The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.

But the thing is, they/she aren't the average Brit. In fact they aren't the average royal. Most likely there is already an agreement or understanding set in place before they start working. I think the employers understand that their is an image of charity and work that the York girls are expected to undertake.

 

[PetticoatLane]

Which makes my point - Beatrice clearly does not work '40 hours a week' like the rest of us do and, if on occasion she does, it's pretty infrequently. Why should she be given the benefit of the doubt by the public when it's blindingly obvious she doesn't really work full time.

Ultimately, whatever the argument about hypothetical numbers of engagements to be completed by RF members in the future, it's clear that there is no support among the Great British public for the York princesses to be full time royals. The RF can't afford to thumb their noses as their paymasters in this way for the next 50+ years.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Depending on when you start a job your holiday is altered if you start half way through the year.

My experience wherever I have worked is you get 21 days standard and your 7 bank holidays. This the rises the years you work. If you start in the middle of your companies financial year, your holiday will be adjusted accordingly.

So I don't know what kind of contract/arrangement Beatrice has with whoever she's working for at the minute but it's IMO silly to assume it's the standard I would have if I walked in to the same company for the same job.

 

[Curryong]

Whatever spare time the sisters have from whatever employment they have could be used doing charity work if they wish in the future, just as they do now. No-one would stop them. They simply wouldn't get their expenses paid via Royal funding.
I still remain unconvinced that Royal duties is the way Eugenie wants her life to go. She seems content with her work and boyfriend, and may marry in a couple of years. Beatrice I'm not so sure of. I do think she would perhaps like the structure and certainty of a job within the Firm. I just don't think it's going to happen.

 

[Countessmeout]

If Eugenie works 40 hours per week and yet still socialises and travels at the level she currently does, then this woman shouldn't be a full time royal, she should be nominated for queen of the entire world.

Like the DM or not, all those foreign trips are not made up, some may have an element of charity work in there somewhere, but the idea that she does all that while working full time is simply not believable.

The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.

I am starting to think you and others share the same face America the newspapers do. What trips has Eugenie been on? Beatrice certainly. New York for an UN event, Nepal for her eye charity, Italy for a charity triathlon. But Eugenie? Yes she has a well established job with an art gallery I. London. She even gave an interview about what her schedule is like. You start it's Eugenie but then your argument is all Beatrice. They are two separate people with two separate careers and travel.

Certainly any royals with a job get some extra holiday time. Certainly one doesn't think that all the pilots William works with get even half his vacation time. If get find I think everyone should look into working there.