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Old 10-24-2016, 05:01 PM
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I think that Beatrice and Eugenie could be needed occasionally until Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and any future children of William and/or Harry finish their educations. I don't see them being full-time working members of the Firm at any point.
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:33 PM
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I agree... they can work !
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Old 10-24-2016, 11:47 PM
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If the BRF want to continue with a similar number of appearances, they will need people to fill the roles of the older members of the family. Some of the older royals, the Kents, Princess Alexandra, the Glouchesters are invited to events due to their connections and having been members of the royal family. The cousins of HM won't be available during Williams reign. If they want the same connection with the public, they will need the York Princesses to pick up the slack. It will be a minimum of 15 years for George and Charlotte. Even more years for Harry's potential children.

As for the Duke of York, he is trying to secure positions for his daughters one last time before Charles becomes king. How could Bea's breakup not factor in? As it doesn't seem that the Beatrice and Eugenie will be marrying into money, he has to try to get them into royal family role. If they were married with kids, would the public expect them to work even though they get no financial gain? Probably not and any charity work would be seen as bonus.

I do feel that grouping them together is a bit unfair. Eugenie has at least had jobs while Beatrice hasn't seem to find a purpose. As for going into "finance" without any degree or previous job qualifications seems like an uphill battle. Should they have been more practical at university to get a degree that actually gives them a salary. Art History Degrees are usually underemployed.

Can someone enlighten me about why living in Kensington Palace is the place to live? Aren't their other swanky neighborhoods to live in in London? Or is it because William, Kate, and Harry live there? Other working royals live there? They will have to pay fair market rent. Is it a social status issue? They both have trust funds from the QM - wouldn't it be wise to purchase a home rather than rent.

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Old 10-24-2016, 11:58 PM
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Duties and Roles of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie

Who is to say that the BRF want to maintain the engagement numbers? They may want them to drop and use the money from less engagements to help pay for the extensive repairs on the royal palaces.

Andrew wants his girls to be full time royals then the KP apartments would not cost anything like the apartments the Cambridges, Harry, Dukes of Kent and Gloucester have.

You are looking at £1.5 million for a 2 bedroom apartment near KP. The big apartments that the 3 Dukes have are way bigger. Even Prince and Princess Michael's apartment is 10 rooms.


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Old 10-25-2016, 12:58 AM
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I do feel that grouping them together is a bit unfair. Eugenie has at least had jobs while Beatrice hasn't seem to find a purpose. As for going into "finance" without any degree or previous job qualifications seems like an uphill battle. Should they have been more practical at university to get a degree that actually gives them a salary. Art History Degrees are usually underemployed.

Can someone enlighten me about why living in Kensington Palace is the place to live? Aren't their other swanky neighborhoods to live in in London? Or is it because William, Kate, and Harry live there? Other working royals live there? They will have to pay fair market rent. Is it a social status issue? They both have trust funds from the QM - wouldn't it be wise to purchase a home rather than rent.

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I agree, Eugenie and Beatrice seem to me to be following very different paths and Eugenie has worked steadily for several years now and has not been pictured at all of the exotic venues that her sister has. Eugenie seems more grounded and pragmatic than her sister & doesn't seem to have the same wanderlust that Beatrice has.
I assume a big advantage for KP & the reason they currently share the SJP apartment is that both palaces have security 24/7. Eugenie and Beatrice do generate press attention as well as perhaps a few fixated crazies so it's not a bad idea for them to locate @ KP or SJP if they intend to live in London, but assuming they'll need larger apartments once they have children I'm not sure their trusts are generous enough to support market rate for a larger apartment @ KP & support their lifestyle.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out once Charles controls the purse strings.
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:52 AM
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Although I completely disagree that the girls are needed as full time royals, they are in a unique situation of being titled princesses who are expected to live normal lives.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be given larger homes in a palace of their choice if this is what they want. It is better to have these old buildings lived in than just being left dormant or unoccupied. They should not be expected to pay market rate rent though because they did not ask to be born royal.

Also if they were to become full time working royals, then it would only be fair that the Wessex children are allowed to be so in the future as well. There are already more than enough royals, and if more engagements need picking up from the older royals, then we have W, K and H who are a very long way indeed from a full royal workload.
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:58 AM
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Although I completely disagree that the girls are needed as full time royals, they are in a unique situation of being titled princesses who are expected to live normal lives.

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There are hundreds of titled persons who are expected to live normal lives. Even the grandest Dukes have to work for their money, these days.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:59 AM
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An opinion piece. I'm afraid we'll see more of this. Right or wrong perception is reality when it comes to Beatrice and Eugenie.

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GOOD for Prince Charles blocking his brother’s request for full-time royal roles for his daughters Beatrice and Eugenie.

The Queen has apparently been pulled into this row after Prince Andrew wanted royal “jobs” for Princess Beatrice, aged 28 and her sister 26 year-old Princess Eugenie.

As a royals fan, I just don’t see what they add to the family firm, especially when compared to hard-working Princess Anne.

They don’t appear to have stuck at careers.

They take regular costly holidays.

And would simply be a drain on the national coffers.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:35 AM
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Thinking about it I don't think either would enjoy being a full time royal. At the moment they can have holiday after holiday staying with wealthy people etc. it does get written about but nothing like it would if they were on the payroll and living in a expensive apartment


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Old 10-27-2016, 02:01 AM
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None of us actually know how much, if any, of this story is true. The Daily Fail goes after the Yorks on a regular basis (and has since shortly after Andrew and Sarah's wedding - I've got old scrapbooks from the late 80s that prove it "Fat Fergie and Di at War Again! was a favorite) and this exact same scenario/story comes up every few years. Andrew is "worried" that Charles's family gets more press? Give me a break - he knows how the royal system works and that his life as a second son meant that in time he and his family would slip out of the limelight. No real news to him.

None of us knows what will happen as The Queen and her cousins pass into history (hopefully in many years - and remember the Gloucesters are only four and two years older than the POW) or how the numbers of working royals and royal engagements will change. For now, Eugenie has a full-time job and has had one since she graduated university. She has charities she supports in ways we never hear about. Beatrice is still, like many people of her generation, looking for a career but also is involved in far more charity work than we know of (would we have known about her trip to the Nepalese eye hospital if the hospital itself hadn't posted it on Facebook?) Neither one receives any public money so they can spend their time as they wish - but the DM seems to perpetuate the myth that they are off spending taxpayer money hand over fist on "holidays" which are more often than not the same kinds of weekend getaways that most well-off Europeans indulge in on a regular basis and by recycling old photos and implying completely different timelines. They have security due to their status as targets - which they are as The Queen's granddaughters - which is paid for privately. (How horrible it would be if they were attacked? You can bet that enough bad people know exactly who they are and where they are.) What public duties they have are performed well - those who have met them speak of how well-prepared and enthusiastic they are.

Beatrice and Eugenie are in a catch-22 not of their own making in a changing royal world where they don't know how they will ultimately fit in. They have grown up, yes, very privileged, but in the most vicious press environment to date and in the most watched goldfish bowl of all time. That they are reasonably well-adjusted adults despite all of this is actually nothing short of amazing.
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Old 10-27-2016, 03:12 AM
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I completely agree.
The whining-father-stories that keep coming up, sound rather off. Sure, he wants the best for his girls, but I do think that he is also a practical man. He knows the rules of the Firm and what is the way of things.
Now, I do not have this critical view of Beatrice that some here have, but she does seem to have things/her future less planned out than her sister. And that the media is constantly talking about 'the sisters do this, the sisters are holidaying again, they are out of a job again', seems to me very unfair to Eugenie who seems to have everything sorted out.
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Old 10-27-2016, 11:07 AM
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And that the media is constantly talking about 'the sisters do this, the sisters are holidaying again, they are out of a job again', seems to me very unfair to Eugenie who seems to have everything sorted out.
Yes, I agree. I keep seeing comments online about how Eugenie is unemployed, "When will she find a real job?" "Is she taking a break from her latest vacation?" It seems like Beatrice and Eugenie are being lumped together, even though they're following different paths in life.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:36 PM
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Yes, I agree. I keep seeing comments online about how Eugenie is unemployed, "When will she find a real job?" "Is she taking a break from her latest vacation?" It seems like Beatrice and Eugenie are being lumped together, even though they're following different paths in life.
'Lumped together' . Those were the words I was looking for.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:06 PM
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'Lumped together' . Those were the words I was looking for.

I've noticed that many commentators don't seem to know which is which: I keep seeing references to the red-haired one or the dark-haired one.

Surely they are not that hard to distinguish?
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:28 PM
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Are the tabs employing 17 year old journalists nowadays, people with no knowledge whatsoever of Royal family members? Because it seems increasingly likely that they are!
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:43 AM
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:57 AM
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I don't think Vanessa was really slamming B&E. Her point is one that I, and a lot of Britons share - B&E are really not required by the firm for the foreseeable future, and they should be free to pursue their own interests outside of the firm. I don't think this is a criticism of the girls per se, just a recognition of where they are in the pecking order!
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I don't think Vanessa was really slamming B&E. Her point is one that I, and a lot of Britons share - B&E are really not required by the firm for the foreseeable future, and they should be free to pursue their own interests outside of the firm. I don't think this is a criticism of the girls per se, just a recognition of where they are in the pecking order!

I agree with your post. I also think it's Charles decision what happens. I dearly love our Queen but it's Charles that is the future. If Andrew did hassle his 90 year old mother about this situation ( not saying it's true ) that's bad form.


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Prince Charles insists Beatrice and Eugenie don’t deserve full-time royal status | Daily Mail Online

As an example: this article. It mentions Beatrice's constant holidaying, says both girls want a royal role, but doesn't explain what Eugenie does. I notice in the comments, people are telling them to "Get a job!" This is really pretty unfair to Eugenie. This kind of article really annoys me, as it sets up a narrative of Beatrice and Eugenie being lazy party girls who don't deserve royal roles. I can agree that Beatrice has taken many vacations, but she also does a fair bit of charity work, which somehow gets covered as another 'vacation.'
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