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Old 10-23-2016, 02:07 AM
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I'm just saying...the girls do seem to be more busy this year with their own roles. We know they have to carve out their own careers, but one is always wondering if they will gain official roles within the firm. They're good at official side of things.

I do support a smaller royal family though. It's smart, to the point and just better.
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Old 10-23-2016, 08:14 AM
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If the Queen lives to 100 and I really hope she does the girls will be in their thirties likely married with kids.It is up to Charles so far he doesnt want them in professional roles. Maybe when he cut's back he will find out he does need them. Do Annes children Peter and Zara do anything besides their jobs? As for Andrew being smart I have read several stories with people who worked with him and besides being arrogant and not very bright he had no idea what he was doing and a lot of people ended up with red faces because of his gaffes. He has never been called smart.
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Old 10-23-2016, 08:28 AM
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Beatrice is 28 and not even listed on the Royal Family website.

I have nothing against the Yorks but reading the tea leaves it doesn't look like either Eugenie or Beatrice are destined for an official role within the Firm.

Both girls will continue with their own causes and jobs and probably be called on from time to time to fill in here and there but not in any kind of official capacity.
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Old 10-23-2016, 10:29 AM
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I'm not sure "listing" on the Royal website is any measure of anything. The Royal Encyclopedia is also not technically in the pull down menu - but it's a huge part of the website. Royal.uk is a search driven, nested website. I get confused/lost there regularly. A search for Bea leads you to: https://www.royal.uk/search?tags[0]=Beatrice and there she is.

She's also on the succession page: https://www.royal.uk/succession

She is not listed as a choice in the Diary or CC pull downs - but then neither are Charlotte, George, Tim Lawrence or others with fewish appearances. You can search for her there as a keyword.

My point is the design of royal website leaves a lot of us cold for a lot of reasons. She nor we should get offended, IMO.
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Old 10-23-2016, 10:35 AM
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But even on the old website, the York girls were never listed under the heading 'Members of the Royal Family' and when you click on the link for Beatrice on royal.uk it takes you to the Duke of York's website.
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Old 10-23-2016, 02:36 PM
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Agreed

Love how they gloss over facts. Like claiming Eugenie has no intentions of a career, and pushing the engagement rumours. Over looking the fact that she had a full time job at an art gallery for over a year, after spending two years working n auctions in New York.

Or the fact that it implies they suddenly started taking up charity work, to try and push their public image. Over looking the fact both girls have been patrons of a handful of charities since they came of age, and with their mom as teens

Should have seen the story coming. They have been getting too much good press. Eugenie with her job article, Beatrice with her photos in Nepal. It was over due for a smear piece to remind people they are lazy worthless socialites.
I don't know if it was exactly good press I seem to remember the press trying to write off Bea's charity work as a holiday, the press still found was to try to put them under the bus
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:28 PM
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One thought I had was "why is Andrew bringing this up again" (assuming the article is true to begin with). Nothing has changed w/in the York family...

but whoa! wait a minute! something did change. Bea & Dave are no longer together.....

I wondered if this is being brought up again because of the Bea & Dave breakup. The plan of Bea marrying off has been dashed. What's her plan for the future. Ah! She may not have one. Thus Andrew is worried about her (and Eug's) future and thus bringing the "royal role" issue back into the forefront.

I find the "oh by the way they need big rooms at Kensington palace" out of place in his request for a royal role. My thought was that since the girls may not end up marrying well Fergie is worried about living in cramped quarters when she moves in w/the girls in her old age.....

IMO the timing of Andrew's letter may be a reaction/realization that the plan of the girls marrying well may not happen and he's getting nervous.... IMO
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:36 PM
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If true, Andrew is really running in circles... Maybe it would have all been easier if the girls had gotten the same direction of life as Anne did with her ow children? Who knows. I think it is too late to complain or have any claim now...
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:41 PM
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I wondered the same thing.... Bea and Dave splitting

And then I thought Eugenie and KP residence...

Then I thought ££££. If you live in KP, its only rent free if you are a working royal or it forms part of yr contractual arrangements as an employee (ie Cambridges Housekeeper gets accommodation included). So Eugenie and Jack will have to pay rent. And it wont be cheap.

Prince Michael of Kent has to pay rent, and it would be wrong if Eugenie doesn't. It would also make for one heck of a row.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:44 PM
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All the talk about Eugenie moving into KP and the rehashed news about Andrew's requests for his daughters can't be mere coincidence imo. We'll see.
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Old 10-23-2016, 04:25 PM
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I wondered the same thing.... Bea and Dave splitting

And then I thought Eugenie and KP residence...

Then I thought ££££. If you live in KP, its only rent free if you are a working royal or it forms part of yr contractual arrangements as an employee (ie Cambridges Housekeeper gets accommodation included). So Eugenie and Jack will have to pay rent. And it wont be cheap.

Prince Michael of Kent has to pay rent, and it would be wrong if Eugenie doesn't. It would also make for one heck of a row.
If Andrew can pay for security for his daughters, I think he'd be willing to contribute to their rent costs. If it's true that Eugenie will eventually move into Ivy Cottage, well it's not a large place compared to where Prince Michael lives. It wouldn't break Andrew's bank. I doubt it would cost much more than what he's paying for their current apartment at St. James or what he's paying for Beatrice's NYC apartment.

He'd probably be more concerned about paying for a longterm home for Beatrice, as I think she has more luxurious tastes than Eugenie, especially now that Dave Clark won't be contributing financially.

I don't think he's fretting over Eugenie.
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Old 10-23-2016, 04:39 PM
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If Andrew can pay for security for his daughters, I think he'd be willing to contribute to their rent costs. If it's true that Eugenie will eventually move into Ivy Cottage, well it's not a large place compared to where Prince Michael lives. It wouldn't break Andrew's bank. I doubt it would cost much more than what he's paying for their current apartment at St. James or what he's paying for Beatrice's NYC apartment.

He'd probably be more concerned about paying for a longterm home for Beatrice, as I think she has more luxurious tastes than Eugenie, especially now that Dave Clark won't be contributing financially.

I don't think he's fretting over Eugenie.
You could be correct. I checked out the price of renting a 2 bed flat in the neighbourhood and the chepest was £5,000 a month - so assume it would be more. He could afford it but not forever. Relying on Bank of Granny I expect.
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Old 10-23-2016, 08:19 PM
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I was sceptical about this story when I read the re-hashed story about Charles wanting to slim down the royal family, as well as the part about Eugenie not wanting to settle down into a career. Actually, Eugenie has been working full-time for several years.

Even the part about Andrew complaining that his daughters would be overshadowed by the Cambridges and Prince Harry doesn't fully ring true...Andrew knows this is how the monarchy works. I think that Camilla Tominey doesn't like the Yorks much.
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I can't really fault Andrew for worrying about his daughters' futures, especially Beatrice, since her employment efforts haven't worked out.

(Eugenie seems more established than her sister. In fact, the sisters seem to be making few appearances together these days. Wonder if that is deliberate?)
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:26 AM
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All her other adult cousins including William and Harry have had paying jobs. Louise and James are expected to get a paying job when they grow up. Eugenie seems to be able to have a career just fine.

Everyone got a private school education and 5 of the 6 adult grandchildren of the Queen have a university degree including Beatrice.

She wasn't booted on to the streets in front of BP, uneducated with only the knowledge of good princess manners and waltzing to fend for herself.


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Old 10-24-2016, 09:40 AM
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I was sceptical about this story when I read the re-hashed story about Charles wanting to slim down the royal family, as well as the part about Eugenie not wanting to settle down into a career. Actually, Eugenie has been working full-time for several years.

Even the part about Andrew complaining that his daughters would be overshadowed by the Cambridges and Prince Harry doesn't fully ring true...Andrew knows this is how the monarchy works. I think that Camilla Tominey doesn't like the Yorks much.
It rings true to me; he has a habit of avoiding reality where it comes to royal roles. In July 2011 he stepped down as Special Trade Envoy. I joined the forums in May 2012. One of my early posts was about how he still claimed to be in that position after I joined. I remember checking his web page, which clearly had current information, but stated he was still in the role. It was the point at which I decided Andrew was living in his own reality.
JMO, but I have always believed Andrew believed if he just pressured his brother long enough that a need would soon appear and the girls would be given full time jobs. I'm also of the opinion that he shared the plan with the girls. Bea seems inclined to believe him while Eugenie, either through life inclinations or a better ability to see reality, has gone her own way. Good for her! All just my opinion.
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:56 AM
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All her other adult cousins including William and Harry have had paying jobs. Louise and James are expected to get a paying job when they grow up. Eugenie seems to be able to have a career just fine.

Everyone got a private school education and 5 of the 6 adult grandchildren of the Queen have a university degree including Beatrice.

She wasn't booted on to the streets in front of BP, uneducated with only the knowledge of good princess manners and waltzing to fend for herself.


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I agree Beatrice was given a good head-start in life and probably has amazing connections(she seems to have a lot of friends) that could find her a job. But she wouldn't be the first person to get a degree and then decide she doesn't enjoy working in that field. It's telling that about a year after she graduated she switched to looking for jobs in Finance, even though she doesn't have education in that area, which immediately put her at a disadvantage because she was competing against qualified people. She's been playing catch-up ever since.

Maybe she could go back to school and get a different degree, then reenter the workforce on equal footing.

Then again, she doesn't look like an unhappy or distressed person. She might enjoy taking various internships but not settling for one fixed job or career. Some people don't thrive in structured environments. Which might be why she was recently looking into doing some public speaking tours.That allows a lot of self-freedom for someone who may have wanderlust.

Andrew might be the only York who's dissatisfied with the status-quo.(If newspapers are to be believed).
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As it stands now Beatrice and Eugenie have it pretty good. They can come and go as they please. Money isn't a concern and they can lounge on yachts or attend parties until the cows come home.

An official role within the Firm would mean they'd have to more or less tow the line. I'm not sure they want that.
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Old 10-24-2016, 01:18 PM
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More on this in The Sun today!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/203471...d-by-taxpayer/
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All her other adult cousins including William and Harry have had paying jobs. Louise and James are expected to get a paying job when they grow up. Eugenie seems to be able to have a career just fine.

Everyone got a private school education and 5 of the 6 adult grandchildren of the Queen have a university degree including Beatrice.

She wasn't booted on to the streets in front of BP, uneducated with only the knowledge of good princess manners and waltzing to fend for herself.


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