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Old 04-25-2015, 10:51 AM
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Without eventual children of Prince Harry, there will already be 13 adult male members in the very core royal family in 25 years time. That seems sufficient to me, for sure when other members of the family possibly can do representative duties on ad-hoc base. Would Prince Harry have two children and they are married, then there are 17 adult members in the very core royal family. A future royal role for Beatrice, Eugenie, James and Louise seems minimal to me.

Why include the eventual future children of Harry in a post that tries to prove why the York girls aren't needed by the royal family? They would all have the same degree of separation from the monarch during their lives.


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Old 04-25-2015, 11:18 AM
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Why include the eventual future children of Harry in a post that tries to prove why the York girls aren't needed by the royal family? They would all have the same degree of separation from the monarch during their lives.


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Not necessarily, when Henry's children are of age their Uncle will be on the throne. And Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie will possibly be gone.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:25 PM
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Isn't it a bit condescending to say " Beatrice is confused"? She's 26 years old, university-educated, and can certainly understand her place in the family. And if this lovely, rich, fun-loving princess has hurt feelings because people grouse about her life of privilege, it's quite hard to care! I'll bet she never wastes a moment thinking about it.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:26 PM
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Not necessarily, when Henry's children are of age their Uncle will be on the throne. And Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie will possibly be gone.

The Yorks are of age and their uncle will in the foreseeable future become a monarch. You can't argue on one hand that the royal family has to be more streamlined and then later include the same kind of people you earlier excluded based on the eventual popularity of their parents.

Someone mentioned earlier that they could see Beatrice do a Michael of Kent and turn up at big events and also do some kind of representation at the fringes of the Royal family in addition to her own career and charitable projects and imo that's a very realistic prospect.


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Is there anything keeping Beatrice from being very actively involved in charities if she so wishes? She doesn't need anyone's permission to push a book cart around in a hospital or to peel potatoes at a soup kitchen. And there is plenty of paper-shuffling and envelope-stuffing to be done as well. I think she likes her life just the way it is (who wouldn't?).
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:38 PM
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Isn't it a bit condescending to say " Beatrice is confused"? She's 26 years old, university-educated, and can certainly understand her place in the family. And if this lovely, rich, fun-loving princess has hurt feelings because people grouse about her life of privilege, it's quite hard to care! I'll bet she never wastes a moment thinking about it.
I don't doubt that she doesn't waste a moment thinking about it. But the representation of her image does little to increase the popularity of the monarchy in the UK. From appearances she doesn't know what she wants to do with her life, she's come straight out of university and flipped through 3, maybe 4 jobs since. Now i graduated last year, I know how hard it is to find a job, any job, especially one relating to your degree subject. I personally am not doing something relating to my degree subject, and saving money to do exactly that in the future.

I'm not "grousing" at her life of privelige, if she wants to blow through her inheritance and her fathers money, ther boyfriends/future husbands money etc she can. My gripe is that as you say she's a very capable young girl with a degree who can do so much with her life. You just have to look at the pictures from her latest engagement to see that she's fantastic with interaction of this kind. Why deprive her of something she can do, and something she can do well? With the right push/marketing Beatrice could represent the monarchy in so many ways and she doesn't.

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You can't argue on one hand that the royal family has to be more streamlined and then later include the same kind of people you earlier excluded based on the eventual popularity of their parents.
Where did I "argue" for a more streamlined family? When amaryllus questioned the fact that we'd have 5 working royals, after The Queen and DOE had passed, I pointed out that we wouldn't we would have 13, potentially losing 4 within the next 10+years.

I am a firm believer that Beatrice and Eugenie are both needed to perform duties if the popularity and the visibility of the monarchy is to stay where it is. All royals are popular, and they all have an effect on the popularity of the monarchy. Whoever has made the decision not to include her/deny her when she's clearly wanted to become part of The Firm made a mistake IMO.

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Is there anything keeping Beatrice from being very actively involved in charities if she so wishes? She doesn't need anyone's permission to push a book cart around in a hospital or to peel potatoes at a soup kitchen. And there is plenty of paper-shuffling and envelope-stuffing to be done as well. I think she likes her life just the way it is (who wouldn't?).
We don't know what she's doing when she's not in front of a camera. I might have to check with Bertie's figures next week but I doubt that engagement this week was official. She would have been invited and gone herself. Beatrice is linked to many charities, and I imagine she's asked to be patron or attend events for many more. I can imagine none of them would count of official engagements so she wouldn't be working for the RF whether she chose to do them or not. Point is whatever she does, whoever she represents she would be getting her name out there in a positive way.

I personally wouldn't want to be in Beatrice's shoes, she's between a rock and a hard place and doesn't seem to want to get out of it.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:39 PM
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Is there anything keeping Beatrice from being very actively involved in charities if she so wishes? She doesn't need anyone's permission to push a book cart around in a hospital or to peel potatoes at a soup kitchen. And there is plenty of paper-shuffling and envelope-stuffing to be done as well. I think she likes her life just the way it is (who wouldn't?).

She is actively involved in several charities so no nobody's keeping her from doing so at all.


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Old 04-26-2015, 07:21 PM
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Right. Plus, even with the best medical care and no accidents/assassinations, not everyone lives past their 60s.

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Not every one will marry and if they do they might not have children... Just because they are royals does not make it a give.
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:55 PM
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Putting aside the older generations (just for now!): there's Prince William, the DoC, Prince Harry and then......? Peter & Zara don't do royal duties, Viscount Severn and Lady Louise are still children and then who is left?

Edward's children may be steered away from royal duties, the Cambridge children won't be full time royals for years, Harry may never marry and have kids - I think a stop gap may be needed, even if that means B&E combine a more part-time royal schedule with their own work - whether that's a career in the conventional sense or charity work.

Beatrice seems bright, personable and compassionate and I think she should be considered for more duties. But as someone else mentioned further up the thread, that maybe her ultimate wish is to marry and have kids. Maybe she feels she's too young to be doing that but doesn't know how to fill her time until then?

Lumutqueen was much more articulate in her post but the final comment about Beatrice being stuck "between a rock and a hard place" and not wanting to (or knowing how to?) pretty much sums up her situation for me.
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Old 04-27-2015, 05:09 PM
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Beatrice seems bright, personable and compassionate and I think she should be considered for more duties. But as someone else mentioned further up the thread, that maybe her ultimate wish is to marry and have kids. Maybe she feels she's too young to be doing that but doesn't know how to fill her time until then?
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to lean towards the opinion that perhaps Beatrice prefers not to be on the roll call of the official, working members of the royal family. Right now it seems that she has the best of both worlds but can pick and choose what she wishes to do or not to do. She doesn't lack for charity involvement and its at her own pace, in her own time with basically no fanfare. She'll marry and have kids when she feels its right for her without any pressure or remain single if that's her choice. She'll always be in the limelight as a Princess of the UK but has far more freedom of choice than those that are in the direct line of succession.
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bea is not a full time royal it has already been stated by Charles to Andrew that his daughters are not needed for royal service wait till he becomes king and bea is left trying to make a living in the real world
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bea is not a full time royal
Means she's a private citizen.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:12 PM
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Or maybe she has a job as a day trader. Beatrice could be playing the stock market as a day trader which might explain a course in finance.

She can set her own hours and work whenever she wants.
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with her daddy money
So what? It's nobody's business if the Duke of York wants to give his money to his daughter.

And the argument that his money comes from the Queen, and, in turn, her money comes from the taxpayer also doesn't work, as no employer has a say on how their employees spend the money they earned with their work.
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So what? It's nobody's business if the Duke of York wants to give his money to his daughter.

And the argument that his money comes from the Queen, and, in turn, her money comes from the taxpayer also doesn't work, as no employer has a say on how their employees spend the money they earned with their work.
And who knows... she might have asked a friend that knew how to have money make money to invest a few bucks. She just may be a shrewd investor for all we know. And with being friends with the Bransons, its almost a given she's not stupid. Heck, if I had more than 2 M&Ms to rub together, that's what I'd do. Perhaps the finance lessons work this way for her and not as a "career".

We have NO clue whatsoever where Beatrice or Eugenie get their spending money from. All we can really know for sure is that its not a taxpayer handout.
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Please note that all posts regarding the trust funds of Beatrice and Eugenie have been moved to Trust Funds for the Queen's Children and Grandchildren .

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As far as I know, this is not known for sure. It really isn't Charles' decision at this point.

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bea is not a full time royal it has already been stated by Charles to Andrew that his daughters are not needed for royal service wait till he becomes king and bea is left trying to make a living in the real world
The Queen has 4 adult children and, yet, she still relies on her cousins (the Gloucesters and the Kents) for several public engagements. Once William becomes king and can no longer count on his father and uncles/aunt, he will be left only with his single brother and his wife to assist him with his royal agenda. It seems just natural to me that he should draft his York cousins as well.

In fact, I don't see the point of Beatrice and Eugenie being HRHs if they are not going to be active working royals.
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