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Old 07-01-2013, 12:34 AM
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The DM article describes some of what they have done recently as 'official engagements' but The Queen didn't regard them as that as they weren't mentioned in the CC.
Which brings up the question of why they're doing duties that if done by other royals, would be in the CC, without getting recognition for it?

To me it almost seems like they want to take on more of an official role, even if it's part time, but people are hesitating in recognizing their doing so. It's not really fair to them; they should get recognized for what they do, just as any other HRH performing similar duties would be recognized.

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I thought that. They are calling them official but they really aren't. Did anyone else pick up that in one part is says how Beatrice goes to work early because of the time she takes off but then further down says that she has given up working at that job? So is she working or isn't she? They are actually being positive see how long it lasts for.
It's saying that it's been claimed that Beatrice has recent had to give up her job, due to the time constraints of the royal duties, which I think is basically just them going "we really have no clue what's going on with her work because no one tells us so we're going to make stuff up."

There's also the line "One Royal source said: 'the fact is the girls are the only Royal Princesses of their generation. To be a royal princess you must be the daughter of a royal duke.'"

I'm not sure what source they got this from, but that's not exactly true... Like at all. To be a HRH Princess you have to either be the legitimate child of the monarch or a male-line grandchild. There are other daughters of royal dukes who aren't princesses at all.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:51 AM
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I thought that. They are calling them official but they really aren't. Did anyone else pick up that in one part is says how Beatrice goes to work early because of the time she takes off but then further down says that she has given up working at that job? So is she working or isn't she? They are actually being positive see how long it lasts for.

Reading carefully - it says:

Beatrice works at a hedge fund in Mayfair - present tense meaning that when this article was written the writer believes that she is working

later in the article:

Bea’s up early, does her training and then gets to her office before everyone else. She’s conscious that she is out a lot and has to take time off for things. For the Guildhall prizegiving she went in her lunch hour.’ still present tense or referring to her working at least early last week

then there is this:

Last week it was claimed that Bea had given up her job, although it is believed she will continue to work in finance. The DM is referring to a report that says that she is given up her job but the rest of the article says clearly that she has a job and is still working and working conscientiously and if she has given up that job she is going to continue working.

I never read any report that she had given up her job and I do read very very widely on the royals - does anyone else have a link to these reports that Beatrice has given up her job?





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Old 07-01-2013, 01:50 AM
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Which brings up the question of why they're doing duties that if done by other royals, would be in the CC, without getting recognition for it?
There are two types of duties done by members of the royal family - official and unofficial. The official ones are the ones in the CC and they are determined by HM The Queen as she approves the CC each day.

The others are ones they do because they want to do them - e.g. playing polo for charity - sometimes it counts such as Harry's game in the US but not in the UK. Prince and Princess Michael's engagements aren't recognised by The Queen, even when they are things that other royals have counted.

It is possible even for two royals to attend the same event and one to have it count and the other not - e.g. earlier this year both Anne and Charles attended an event but it was official for Anne but not for Charles.

This is the same for Beatrice and Eugenie - e.g. last year Kate an Eugenie both presented a medal at the Paralympics - Kate's was an official engagement but Eugenie's wasn't.

It is The Queen's decision and her alone so all I can say is that she doesn't regard the girls as officially representing her, even when they went to Germany earlier this year they represented the nation but not The Queen.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:18 AM
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I read the Daily Mail but take what I read with a pinch of salt.

There may be a place in the Firm for the York princesses in 5-10 years when there are fewer working royals, but for the time being they are simply not needed. I think it should be explained to them whether or not they will ever be needed down the line so they know what to expect in the future.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:09 AM
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If they aren't going to get started now then it would be cruel to turn around and expect them to give up the life they have built for themselves to do live the life of boredom of a royal.

If they aren't going to be doing more than they have been doing the family needs to have it clearly understood that it is now or never.

There are three younger royals who do have to step up and do all allowing the girls to spend their lives living the normal, private life of a minor royal - strangely it seems the girls are willing to do the royal grind while the two men and one women who have to do it are totally unwilling to do so.

The girls really aren't needed as William, Kate and Harry and his maybe spouse are easily capable of doing the 1800 or so currently being done by those in their late 60s and above (that is about 450 each - less than Charles and Anne do now and about what Andrew and Edward actually do).
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:16 AM
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If they aren't going to get started now then it would be cruel to turn around and expect them to give up the life they have built for themselves to do live the life of boredom of a royal.

If they aren't going to be doing more than they have been doing the family needs to have it clearly understood that it is now or never.

There are three younger royals who do have to step up and do all allowing the girls to spend their lives living the normal, private life of a minor royal - strangely it seems the girls are willing to do the royal grind while the two men and one women who have to do it are totally unwilling to do so.

The girls really aren't needed as William, Kate and Harry and his maybe spouse are easily capable of doing the 1800 or so currently being done by those in their late 60s and above (that is about 450 each - less than Charles and Anne do now and about what Andrew and Edward actually do).
I partially agree with you. The girls should have it explained to them whether or not they will ever have a royal role, either now, in the future, or never.

They certainly aren't needed now but things will be different in a few years, the Queen's generation are showing more and more signs of slowing down, so I can imagine a scenario when Charles is king of the York girls and also Prince Harry being brought into the firm full time.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:25 AM
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I don't see the York girls coming in later if they aren't being used now.

It isn't something that will happen - it is now or never and I believe it is never.

The statistics simply don't support a need for them if William, Kate and Harry actually work for the RF as they should - 450 a year isn't a lot - about 100 days public work a year (Charles and Anne have done official engagements on under 100 days so far this year and they will go close to 600 while Andrew and Edward who will do around the 450 marks are on about 60 days a year so far - hardly onerous).

In 30 years time there are 4 - 6 of the current royals who definitely won't be working - The Queen, Philip, The Duke of Kent and Alexandra who so far between them this year have done 420 (or the work of 1 of William, Kate or Harry). Add the Gloucesters and there are another 158 and then add Camilla's as she is the next eldest - and we are at 302 so enough for another person with some of the slack from and aging Charles and Anne there as well. Baby Cambridge will be 30 and the next kid probably 29 or 28 so already able to take on duties from grandpa.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:36 AM
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I don't see the York girls coming in later if they aren't being used now.

It isn't something that will happen - it is now or never and I believe it is never.

The statistics simply don't support a need for them if William, Kate and Harry actually work for the RF as they should - 450 a year isn't a lot - about 100 days public work a year (Charles and Anne have done official engagements on under 100 days so far this year and they will go close to 600 while Andrew and Edward who will do around the 450 marks are on about 60 days a year so far - hardly onerous).

In 30 years time there are 4 - 6 of the current royals who definitely won't be working - The Queen, Philip, The Duke of Kent and Alexandra who so far between them this year have done 420 (or the work of 1 of William, Kate or Harry). Add the Gloucesters and there are another 158 and then add Camilla's as she is the next eldest - and we are at 302 so enough for another person with some of the slack from and aging Charles and Anne there as well. Baby Cambridge will be 30 and the next kid probably 29 or 28 so already able to take on duties from grandpa.
Perhaps you are right - as long as the current number of engagements is maintained no organisation should be affected adversely by changes within the family. William, Kate and Harry will effectively replace the older generation over the next few years and by the time William's kids are old enough Charles/Camilla/Anne/Andrew will be looking to slow down. Will be interesting to see if Harry's children will be royal - although if they are this would be seen as unfair to the York and Wessex offspring.
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Still, it does seem lately as if the York girls are deliberately raising their profiles.

What I mean by this is, at the time of the Royal Wedding, many people barely knew who they were.
But ever since, they are constantly being photographed at this or that event, or even just going out to a club or something similar. Now, they are highly recognizable.

So, what is up with that? Deliberate or coincidental?
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Still, it does seem lately as if the York girls are deliberately raising their profiles.

What I mean by this is, at the time of the Royal Wedding, many people barely knew who they were.
But ever since, they are constantly being photographed at this or that event, or even just going out to a club or something similar. Now, they are highly recognizable.

So, what is up with that? Deliberate or coincidental?
I don't think they're highly recognisable, you put a picture of them in front of a randomer on a British street and you'll get "I don't know". They've always been in these circles and they've always been photographed on nights out, at b-list events such as Serpentine Gallery thing.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:16 AM
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Coincidental with them becoming young adults about town rather than schoolgirls or at uni. Remember that Eugenie only finished uni a year ago and Beatrice the year before that so they weren't seen around as much as they are now that they are working and socialising, as young ladies are doing all over the world. At the time of the wedding they were both still at university.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:25 AM
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This is the way I see it:

Both Beatrice and Eugenie are well on their way to gainful employment in the private sector and with doing internships, they can get a feel for the professional environment and decide just where they would be the most comfortable working. Obviously, Beatrice is drawn to finance and Eugenie into the fine arts. Both of these young ladies are also currently involved in what seems to be a long term relationship and its not hard to surmise that somewhere down the road, this will lead to marriage and family.

About their charities and engagements, as far as official or not, I don't think it really matters to either one of the girls right now. Like many of royal or noble or aristocratic set, they've taken on some charities and engagements that mean something to them. Perhaps we could say they're being managed by Justin Case as no one really knows what the future is going to hold, but I don't think either of the girls are pushing to try to gain entrance into the CC and The Firm.

The way things are now, they very much can adjust and tweak their private lives the way they want to. They can maintain their professional lives or they could choose to become full time mothers when the time arises and I think its kind of a nice nod to the family that should they ever be needed in a pinch for something, they'll be experienced at that angle too. That's what I call having it made in the shade and level headed planning.
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My impression is that this 'slimmed down monarchy' concept serves Charles's interests. But that concept presumes that public attitudes will remain more or less constant, where people are currently preoccupied with spending because of a bad economy. This policy, which would see the Yorks sidelined, also presumes that world affairs will stay more or less as they are. I think that if the economy improved significantly and/or world affairs became much more turbulent, the larger active royal family would make more sense.
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Can someone point me to the quote from PC stating that he intends to slim down the royal family. I think this notion has taken on a life of its own.
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Can someone point me to the quote from PC stating that he intends to slim down the royal family. I think this notion has taken on a life of its own.
I don't think anyone can cite a source. Its been reported many times that Prince Charles has said this, but many, such as yourself have requested something ANYTHING to support this statement and nobody can produce it.

I guess we will see when we see it.

But I am not holding my breath.
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I don't think anyone can cite a source. Its been reported many times that Prince Charles has said this, but many, such as yourself have requested something ANYTHING to support this statement and nobody can produce it.

I guess we will see when we see it.

But I am not holding my breath.
Personally I don't think it would be something that only Charles would decide at this time too. We know there is a Way Ahead committee headed by Prince Philip where they meet, discuss and plan the road ahead for the British Monarchy. As far as I know, no minutes from these meetings have ever been made public.
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Unfortunately there is only one way to know what the Prince of Wales has in store and that's when he becomes king. I hope he keeps Princesses of the blood in the fold but we'll find our at some point. Then I'm sure we can post on the RF and debate it. lol :)
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That's true. I don't think Charles is going to come out and say his plans before he becomes King. Once he is and he implements them it doesn't matter what people say it will be done. I don't think the Way Ahead Committe would ever release any of their plans but the senior Royals would all know what was being planned. But I do think the Queen must respect some of his plans if she was to put either Beatrice or Eugenie on the Royal Payroll as a full time Royal Charles would be stuck with them. Andrew himself has been very vocal about wanting the girls to do official Royal Duties the fact they haven't been allowed too speaks volumes.
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There are only 4 princesses of the blood. Princess Anne is in her 60s. Lady Louise isn't even referred to as an HRH. So Charles might end up needing Beatrice and Eugene before the York girls need Charles
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There are only 4 princesses of the blood. Princess Anne is in her 60s. Lady Louise isn't even referred to as an HRH. So Charles might end up needing Beatrice and Eugene before the York girls need Charles
irrelevant to your point, but there are 5; don't forget Princess Alexandra.
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