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Old 11-23-2011, 11:39 PM
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Still, it's not a nice thing to say about one's nieces. The princesses get enough knocking in the media without it coming from inside the family as well.


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Does it really? Not that we can verify the veracity of the purported statement, but even if Charles did make the comment, he probably has a lo tmore to base his opinion on than either the Press or any of us who do not really know the York girls intimately.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:24 AM
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The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that Prince Charles dislikes the York girls' taste and has mocked them, according to the reporter's "usually reliable" source. In fact, the headline says Charles called them 'twits.'

Many apologies if this story has already been discussed (I got bogged down in reading about the presidential children and didn't see any mention of it right away):

prince-Charles-mocks-eugenie-and-Beatrice-as-twits.html
What a lot of old cobblers! I keep asking for someone, anyone, to reference any legitimate article relating to Charles "slimming down" the firm with a view to cutting the York girls out of the picture.

So far, zip, zilch, zero! No one, it seems, can supply any concrete evidence that any of this is anything more that tabloid ramblings. The "source" in the subject article could have been the cleaner who heard half a conversation"!

For the record, I adore my nieces but have been known to refer them as twits and nitwits! It's a generational thing I think!
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:53 AM
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Still, it's not a nice thing to say about one's nieces. The princesses get enough knocking in the media without it coming from inside the family as well.

Are the girls close to any other members of the RF?

The article in Variety said that Andrew has always made a point of seeing to it that they spend time with the Queen, so they'll feel close.

But what about the rest of the family?
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:27 AM
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Why not join up?

Would there be anything to prevent one of these young women from going into the military?
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:33 AM
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Would there be anything to prevent one of these young women from going into the military?
No, nothing that I am aware of would prevent them from joining HMs armed forces.
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:43 PM
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Would there be anything to prevent one of these young women from going into the military?

Not sure Beatrice would pass the eye test having dyslexia and Eugenie has had that surgery for her back, which could also point to a 'problem' that would see her not pass a physical but other than that no reason at all - their grandmother served during WWII.

Note - I am not saying they wouldn't pass the physicals etc only stating known reasons which may see them fail.

I know that eyesight isn't always a problem but it does depend on the problem itself (I served with myopia - no problems at all but dyslexia is another problem and I don't know about that one). I know Eugenie's back is fine now but is it fine for the sort of things that have to be done in the military.
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:04 PM
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The discussion of Trust Funds has been moved to the Trust Funds for the Queen's Children & Grandchildren thread.
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:28 PM
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The article in Variety said that Andrew has always made a point of seeing to it that they spend time with the Queen, so they'll feel close.

But what about the rest of the family?
Judging by the body language at family gatherings like Christmas, the York princesses appear close to the COuntess of Wessex.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:21 AM
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That's the problem! We really don't know anything about how anyone in the BRF feels about each other. We just have tabloids telling us, and if anyone else has been listening to the Leveson Inquiry, they would be seeing and hearing how, with each new testimony, things just gets worse and worse, their meanness, mendacity and malice seems to know no bounds!

We can say, without fear of denial, that most of what we read about royalty and celebrities is "manufactured". A figment of some journalist's fertile imagination. Why do we give credence to the reports from unnamed sources? Why are we going "tut tut, that's not very nice Uncle Charles"? Hell, we don't even know what, if anything, he has said.

Yes, we can draw a conclusion from photo's that Sophie get on well with the girls. We can also say, from previous photo's, that William and Harry get on well with them, after all, they went clubbing with them often enough, and I fully expect they will be seen in Harry's company again once he returns from the USA.

Bottom line: We have no reputable reports about what Charles has said about the girls, but I am betting that he knows them both pretty well as the BRF are known to socialise together outside the public arena. After all, we keep getting little surprises, like readings by them at family weddings, family things that we should not be surprised at. The fact is that we would not be surprised at all if we had not brought the media party line about the York girls being ostracised, demoted, etc, ad nauseum, from "unknown sources"!
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:44 PM
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I don't doubt that Charles does think that the girls are twits sometimes. He probably also thinks that William and Harry are twits sometimes as well. It's called the generation gap. But I do not believe that he made any type of comment where he could be overheard.

Tabloids, both US and UK, can make for interesting reading...but I would put their accuracy at best, at about 25%.
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:42 PM
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That's the problem! We really don't know anything about how anyone in the BRF feels about each other. We just have tabloids telling us, and if anyone else has been listening to the Leveson Inquiry, they would be seeing and hearing how, with each new testimony, things just gets worse and worse, their meanness, mendacity and malice seems to know no bounds!

We can say, without fear of denial, that most of what we read about royalty and celebrities is "manufactured". A figment of some journalist's fertile imagination. Why do we give credence to the reports from unnamed sources? Why are we going "tut tut, that's not very nice Uncle Charles"? Hell, we don't even know what, if anything, he has said.

Yes, we can draw a conclusion from photo's that Sophie get on well with the girls. We can also say, from previous photo's, that William and Harry get on well with them, after all, they went clubbing with them often enough, and I fully expect they will be seen in Harry's company again once he returns from the USA.

Bottom line: We have no reputable reports about what Charles has said about the girls, but I am betting that he knows them both pretty well as the BRF are known to socialise together outside the public arena. After all, we keep getting little surprises, like readings by them at family weddings, family things that we should not be surprised at. The fact is that we would not be surprised at all if we had not brought the media party line about the York girls being ostracised, demoted, etc, ad nauseum, from "unknown sources"!
EXACTLY! The press has to keep it's readership up. And what better way than to hint at a royal 'scandal' on the cover to get the public to buy a copy to read what's inside. Let's say for example; The BRF is on the balcony. Edward leans to Sophie and we see him say something. She looks at him, turns and walks to the other side of the balcony. Scandal! Next day's headline "Sophie leaves Edward!!" Inside the rag "Yesterday, the Countess of Wessex left her husband to stand on the other side of the balcony. Is their marriage in trouble?" Thus begins the scandal. Now, pretend we're a fly on the wall & what he said was "Sophie Darling, remember, you're supposed to be standing next to Anne today". To quote Ben Franklin "Believe none of what you hear (or read) and only half of what you see". While it may be interesting to speculate on the relationships within 'The Firm', it is just that...speculation and not to be taken as gospel (IMHO).
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:58 PM
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On the contrary, I think we do know a great deal about the disaffection the BRF and most of those in the know feel with the Yorks. The princesses certainly do not deserve to be painted with the same brush as their parents, but, unfortunately, they themselves are not always wise about their friendships, their clothing, their activities and other choices, often engaging in behaviour that brings criticism down upon themselves. While I agree about the distasteful tactics of the Daily Mail, it doesn't take an official statement from Buckingham Palace or Clarence House to understand all of this. The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales are undoubtedly EXTREMELY concerned about public opinion and public regard for the monarchy. Why would they not be chagrined, and often embarrassed, by the Yorks' antics?
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:08 PM
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On the contrary, I think we do know a great deal about the disaffection the BRF and most of those in the know feel with the Yorks. The princesses certainly do not deserve to be painted with the same brush as their parents, but, unfortunately, they themselves are not always wise about their friendships, their clothing, their activities and other choices, often engaging in behaviour that brings criticism down upon themselves. While I agree about the distasteful tactics of the Daily Mail, it doesn't take an official statement from Buckingham Palace or Clarence House to understand all of this. The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales are undoubtedly EXTREMELY concerned about public opinion and public regard for the monarchy. Why would they not be chagrined, and often embarrassed, by the Yorks' antics?
What bad decisions have the York princesses made?
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:14 PM
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Well, this is all well traveled territory and Zonk prefers we not rehash old news, but briefly, just start with the Oprah show, the dreadful hat which was very poor taste at a royal wedding, other not so well chosen clothing, falling out of clubs late at night, attending weddings and other events of rich declasse euros who no one else in the BRF would dare to be seen with... etc., etc., etc.
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What bad decisions have the York princesses made?
Before she began dating Dave Clark, Beatrice was involved with an extremely shady type; I think the man had a prison record.

Just a few months ago, Eugenie was stumbling out of a club in a stained dress, apparently intoxicated.

Both girls allowed Fergie to include them in questionable activities like the Oprah show and the Ecclestone wedding.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:43 PM
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So doing normal things that young people do - and that Harry, William and Zara all did at their ages - such as going clubbing, going to friends' weddings, making poor fashion decisions, like most young ladies, including Zara and Anne and supporting and loving their mother are bad choices.

How sad that people see two normal young ladies, making the same poor decisions as their older cousins (at least neither of them have had the stupidity to wear the uniform of a Nazi to a costume party - but then Harry can be forgiven - he was young - about the same age that Eugenie is now but she isn't allowed to make mistakes).

Double standards - sorry but this is so unfair and if the RF are judging them accordingly then they aren't much of a family who understand that young people have to make mistakes as they grow.
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It does seem unfair, but perception is everything.

If the York princesses are perceived as following in their parents' footsteps, then they will be judged harshly.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:08 PM
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Iluvbertie, it is not just about the RF. If the perception of the people is against the Yorks, then it reflects poorly on the BRF. So, the point is, if the girls want to be taken seriously, they must (fairly or unfairly) be seen to be above reproach. No mistakes for a good long while.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:14 PM
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As young ladies in their early 20s 'no mistakes' is a bit much to expect.

In fact 'no mistakes' is too hard a requirement to ask of any human being.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:39 PM
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As young ladies in their early 20s 'no mistakes' is a bit much to expect.

In fact 'no mistakes' is too hard a requirement to ask of any human being.
A rhetorical statement, Iluvbertie, just a rhetorical statement...

As a matter of fact, the princesses would be well advised to follow the example set by Catherine before her marriage. She has hardly put a foot wrong, then or now...
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