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Old 10-21-2011, 05:03 AM
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I know how I would feel having been told in my early 20s - you aren't wanted or needed as part of the family business so I build a life for myself, a career on my own merits and then I am told - give up what you have built for yourself because we now need you. I know what I would say - you handle the mess you created for yourselves when you rejected our offers to help 10 - 15 years ago as I/We have made our lives away from you and yours.

Sorry not fair on the girls.

If they aren't wanted now then they have to be fair to them and let them build their lives and not expect them to have to give up their lives at some future time because now they are suddenly wanted after have been rejected earlier.
Unfortuntaley this is not a regular family business, and I am sure that the position would have been carefully explained to the girls by their grand parents and by their Uncle. Fair or not, thats just the way it is, IMO.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:29 AM
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Unfortuntaley this is not a regular family business, and I am sure that the position would have been carefully explained to the girls by their grand parents and by their Uncle. Fair or not, thats just the way it is, IMO.

Of course it is just a family business. It is the family business of gaining as much wealth as possible from the British people and in return they entertain the masses with weddings and appearances etc.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:32 AM
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Of course it is just a family business. It is the family business of gaining as much wealth as possible from the British people and in return they entertain the masses with weddings and appearances etc.
With due respect, I really do not believe your comment is worthy of a response.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:42 PM
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Of course it is just a family business. It is the family business of gaining as much wealth as possible from the British people and in return they entertain the masses with weddings and appearances etc.
I am not sure if you are being serious, seriously sarcastic or just plain rude? Do you really see the BRF in such a light?
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:52 AM
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The DM rehashes the current situation with the Yorks, but doesn't really suggest any solutions.

Again, the main problem seems to be Fergie's intrusion into their lives, taking them to events the rest of the RF disapproves.

I was a bit surprised to read about Charles loathing of her; I always thought it was Prince Phillip who detested Fergie the most.
I can't help wondering if Andrew will get his way through sheer persistence! The Queen has always indulged his wishes but Charles is a different kettle of fish.

In any event, Andrew doesn't seem to have learned anything from the recent bad publicity if he's taking his daughter to events in helicopters.
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Old 10-22-2011, 04:22 PM
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I would guess that as every year that goes by, Charles' opinions hold more and more weight...both with HM and also with the powers to be in BP. If Charles is determined to downsize the number of working royals then his opinions will have to be considered.
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Old 10-22-2011, 05:35 PM
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I would guess that as every year that goes by, Charles' opinions hold more and more weight...both with HM and also with the powers to be in BP. If Charles is determined to downsize the number of working royals then his opinions will have to be considered.
To be honest, I think downsizing the Firm to include only the monarch and spouse, children of the monarch and their heir as working royals has been in the works for quite a while and I really can see it taking effect when Charles ascends the throne.

Although I do think that its very probable that both Prince Philip and Charles do not look favorably on Sarah and the foibles of Andrew over the years, I would imagine that even if Sarah and Andrew had remained married and had a picture perfect life as full time working royals, Beatrice and Eugenie would still be getting advised to seek out their own careers.
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:19 PM
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They are really getting steamrolled by The Mail! I pity them, I do. I think they are in an impossible position and it is quite obvious that Charles doesn't want a big role for them when he takes over. Also, their mother seems hellbent on creating problems for them till the end of time. The line in that article about "turning them into Kardashians" seemed very apt. I also thought that it was a huge mistake for them to attend that Eccelstone wedding, which was beyond tacky, right down to the guest list. Again, does anyone advise these girls? Apparently not.
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:13 PM
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I think way too much crap get's thrown onto Sarah's back. The Ecclestone wedding was a no brainer, Sarah's been friends with Ecclestone since her Paddy McNally days. There is a lot of assuming going on that the York Princesses aren't friends with Petra. It was a wedding for God's sake and everyone looked good.

The Daily Mail clearly hates all the Yorks. Not one of them gets off without a major jab levelled at them.

Just as banishing Sarah from the Windsor fold has bitten the Royal Family sorely time after time, everyone can mark my words that cutting the York Princesses from The Firm is going to result in even more frustration and negative publicity.
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:45 PM
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I'm inclined to agree. There is almost a whole generation of Royals missing from the York girls age group. Someone is going to have to help William and Harry's wives carry the load which, when you consider both William and Harry have full time jobs and only one of them is married the available pool of BRF is going to be a little sparse.

Having dissed the York girls and tried to cut them out, removed their protection and told them to get another life, I can see them trying to "use" them occasionally when it suits them. It would serve them right if, in the immortal words of Princess Anne, they told them to Naff Off!
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Old 10-23-2011, 01:06 AM
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I'm inclined to agree. There is almost a whole generation of Royals missing from the York girls age group. Someone is going to have to help William and Harry's wives carry the load which, when you consider both William and Harry have full time jobs and only one of them is married the available pool of BRF is going to be a little sparse.

Having dissed the York girls and tried to cut them out, removed their protection and told them to get another life, I can see them trying to "use" them occasionally when it suits them. It would serve them right if, in the immortal words of Princess Anne, they told them to Naff Off!
And that's assuming that Princes William and Harry's wives will be cut out to carry the load. The Duchess of Cambridge is already garnering criticism for not having a more active role and Prince William is being criticized for keeping her on what is perceived to be a tight leash. It's odd when you have the Yorks who are ready and willing to start public engagements and actually work!

I think it's going to be even worse than the York Princesses telling Charles et al to "Naff off!"...what The Firm should be petrified of is that both girls will simply throw their hands up and pull a Sarah, Duchess of York and go to "work". TV Commentary. Novels. Clothing lines. HELLO! photoshoots. QVC. Endorsements. You name it.

The most dangerous people are those who have nothing left to lose. Hasn't a courtier thought about that one?

They all must really hate Sarah or be absolutely terrified of her. And I mean terrified that she'll somehow destroy the monarchy through her daughters. They're giving her more power/credit that she deserves. Sarah's past her sell by date. The British public doesn't equate the two of them anymore. She's naff. She's had it. She's 'over'.

It actually boggles my mind that The Firm hasn't seen the necessity of having Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie take the role Princess Alexandra has fulfilled all these years.

It's going to come back and bite them where it hurts.

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Old 10-23-2011, 09:21 AM
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They all must really hate Sarah or be absolutely terrified of her. And I mean terrified that she'll somehow destroy the monarchy through her daughters. They're giving her more power/credit that she deserves. Sarah's past her sell by date. The British public doesn't equate the two of them anymore. She's naff. She's had it. She's 'over'.
I think they do- hate her, that is.
And what I think terrifies them is that she'll somehow horn in on any events the girls attend.

If it's true that she is pressuring Andrew for a reconciliation with the RF, then I can understand the worry. She may be over, but she doesn't seem to realize that herself, and she is costing her girls a great deal.
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:10 PM
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And that's assuming that Princes William and Harry's wives will be cut out to carry the load. The Duchess of Cambridge is already garnering criticism for not having a more active role and Prince William is being criticized for keeping her on what is perceived to be a tight leash. It's odd when you have the Yorks who are ready and willing to start public engagements and actually work!
I agree with this, they have had their whole lives to prepare for this kind of work and Kate is reportedly still "in training." It makes no sense why they aren't being put to work. On the other hand, then you have articles talking about their father wanting them to have privacy. I just don't understand why The Queen is allowing all this coddling, even with Kate. It makes them all look so precious.
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Old 10-23-2011, 01:56 PM
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Diana and Sarah were both thrown in "at the deep end" as soon as they entered the BRF, and it was disastrous. Personally, I'm pleased that Kate's being given space to grow into her role. I think that we can wait until January, when she's supposed to be releasing details of the charities she wants to take on. As for Beatrice and Eugenie: Eugenie is still a student and so I don't expect to see her doing royal jobs until after she graduates--if then. Beatrice OTOH isn't doing another job right now, and so I think that she could perhaps take on some work if it's there and the palace and the people--including Beatrice--want it.
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I think they do- hate her, that is.
And what I think terrifies them is that she'll somehow horn in on any events the girls attend.

If it's true that she is pressuring Andrew for a reconciliation with the RF, then I can understand the worry. She may be over, but she doesn't seem to realize that herself, and she is costing her girls a great deal.
But that's my point, Sarah can do whatever she likes. Show up at any event, bulldoze her way into a launch, monopolize a wedding...she has nothing left to lose with these people because they have totally cut her out. Had she been invited to the Royal Wedding you can bet she'd have been sound as a pound and absolutely silent. She would have had something to lose. At this point, she's got nothing, so she can be totally careless.

As well, the Palace is failing to see that Sarah is an island unto herself, so far as public perception is concerned, her children will not be judged based on her actions. In fact, they may be perceived sympathetically for surviving her. But it's not going to happen when they aren't working. If Princess Beatrice was a full time working royal, working a schedule anywhere similar to Princess Anne, she would be applauded.
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As well, the Palace is failing to see that Sarah is an island unto herself, so far as public perception is concerned, her children will not be judged based on her actions. In fact, they may be perceived sympathetically for surviving her. But it's not going to happen when they aren't working. If Princess Beatrice was a full time working royal, working a schedule anywhere similar to Princess Anne, she would be applauded.

I'm not so sure her daughters won't be judged on Fergie's actions.
The article says Prince Charles finds it difficult to consider the girls as separate from the mother, and he is supposedly fond of them!

So I think that perhaps the public will have a similar problem.

As for Sarah showing up and taking over, well, she must be invited first.
And I've noticed that she isn't invited to any of these aristocratic weddings attended by William and Kate, and Harry, and other members of the RF. The same goes for many other events where a royal is expected.
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Had she been invited to the Royal Wedding you can bet she'd have been sound as a pound and absolutely silent. She would have had something to lose. At this point, she's got nothing, so she can be totally careless.
I gotta disagree here, Sarah's is too opportunistic to not have done something with that invite unless there was a deal that kept her from doing so.
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No doubt about it, the two York "girls" are in a tough spot - and having said that, a cushy spot as well. The very nature of their position guarantees both.

1. As Royal princesses, they have access to wider and deeper resources of all types which would assist the ambitious and/or dedicated individual to move forward in whatever direction is chosen;

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2. Their legacy as the daughters of two individuals who have been shown time and again to acting in a blind self-interest.

IMO, Andrew bringing Eugenie along for this is too late in the game to stop the forward momentum of downsizing. It seems that Andrew has finally come to the realization that the cumulative actions of himself and his former wife have irreparably harmed the chances of his daughters to take what he considers their rightful place as working Royals. I have no doubt that the recent information that Sarah is now living in L.A. is part and parcel of the attempt to recast the already-cast die; I see that it was also noted that Sarah would still be residing at Royal Lodge while in the UK, neatly keeping her in residence while still saying that she is no longer there. Very interesting bit of dance.

I agree with silverbic, btw; I have no doubt at all that if Sarah had been invited to William's nuptials, she would have been completely unable to stop herself from turning it into a self-sales opportunity.
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I agree with this, they have had their whole lives to prepare for this kind of work and Kate is reportedly still "in training." It makes no sense why they aren't being put to work. On the other hand, then you have articles talking about their father wanting them to have privacy. I just don't understand why The Queen is allowing all this coddling, even with Kate. It makes them all look so precious.
The York Princesses have had their whole lives to prepare for being working royals...but they have never been trained. Over the years, they should have from time to time been accompanying their father or the Princess Royal but they never have. By trying to protect their privacy they have failed to provide the training that they need to become working royals. Kate may still be 'in training', but Beatrice and Eugenie have not really had any training at all.
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Andrew took Beatrice along with him on one of his trips and she attended meetings and so on. Eugenie attended an event in Newcastle before this recent one, but I don't remember who she was with--although it seems to me that she might have been with HM.
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