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Old 03-27-2011, 05:22 PM
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Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie pay price for row over Duke of York's trade role - Telegraph

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Beatrice and Eugenie.
Thanks for the article. I do think though that this has been discussed before the Duke's current problems. This could be a renewed interest in the area of the junior royals though. I know it has been brought up on these boards before but where do you draw the line? While I hope that the Princess's get normal jobs what if they don't? Is someone going to tell them no if they get "royal jobs?" I would hope that someone comes out and discusses their future. Maybe even the princess themselves could talk about their future roles. It would certainly elevate some concerns. I do believe that the family has already had some discussions about their future. So in that regards I find the Duke's comments interesting.
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Old 03-27-2011, 05:31 PM
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Charles may want to slim the firm down but with the age of the current crop and Harry not looking like he's going to settle down in the near future the girls could still have a role.

As for normal jobs, does anyone thing it might help to spend time working outside of the UK? Canada or the US, where they're a little less likely to attract attention after the hoopla of their arriving ends? Jenna Bush (One of George W's daughters) was well known for being a party animal but settled down, did work as a teacher's aid and Unicef.
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Old 03-27-2011, 05:36 PM
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Charles may want to slim the firm down but with the age of the current crop and Harry not looking like he's going to settle down in the near future the girls could still have a role.

As for normal jobs, does anyone thing it might help to spend time working outside of the UK? Canada or the US, where they're a little less likely to attract attention after the hoopla of their arriving ends? Jenna Bush (One of George W's daughters) was well known for being a party animal but settled down, did work as a teacher's aid and Unicef.
It might be a good idea for them to work outside the UK. I will say the difference with Jenna Bush Hager and the Princess is that the press almost considers the Presidential children off limits. She had more of an chance to live a normal life since she was not considered a public figure. That doesn't mean she didn't or doesn't get coverage but she has the chance to turn it "off". The only way I can see that happening with the Princess is if they leave.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:15 PM
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I think there is definitely room for the York girls to have roles in "the Firm." As I've said before, the royal cousins and HM's children are all getting up in age. It can't all fall onto Princes Wm and Harry and their spouses. That's only four people. Charles will be into his 70s in 10 years. Anne won't be far behind. The Kents, Gloucesters, Pss Alexandra and Prince/Princess Michael will more-than-likely be retired. Or taking on very few engagements. I think the York girls could be a good asset to their cousins in the next decade or so.

I think the idea of them settling down to a "normal" job is far-fetched. They are HRHs and that will always set them apart. And they are too well-known, much more so than the children of past US presidents, of whom I think it's been easier for them to melt into society unnoticed.

We'll see, I guess. Maybe the best thing for them is to marry well, have children and become involved in charitable organizations and events - as dated as that may sound.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:22 PM
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I definitely think that Beatrice and Eugenie can be an asset to their uncle and cousin when they both become King.

In an ideal world it would be nice if they could get some type of careers but than I remember the nasty comments that appeared in the Daily Mail when Eugenie (and Beatrice if I recall correctly) had an internship.

The consensus (of course its the DM readers) was that the girls didnot receive their internship based on their merits but rather who they are. Which could be true but than don't regular people get their internships the same way. In addition, they were accused of taking the job of someone who was more deserving.

In a perfect world they would have a few engagements and have a part time job but than what the public say?

Can't win....
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Old 03-28-2011, 12:28 AM
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I don't know why the press is bringing up this topic again about the York girls and their roles in the Royal Family? This has been going for several years about Charles' wishes to slimline the Monarchy and the Family. The question of the York girls and the loss of titles has only been speculation on the part of the press and their "anonymous" sources. No one will know until Charles becomes Monarch.
I'm sure that Charles (and Anne) have been very unhappy over the escapades of Andrew and his wife, but that's the parents, not the children. We don't know what will happen in the future.
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Old 03-28-2011, 12:53 AM
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I'm sure that Charles (and Anne) have been very unhappy over the escapades of Andrew and his wife, but that's the parents, not the children. We don't know what will happen in the future.
I don't think it matters what Princess Anne thinks, and it doesn't even matter what Prince Charles thinks right now. If the Queen thinks Beatrice and Eugenie should have official roles in the royal family, and Andrew wants it too, then they probably will.

I see what Zonk is saying about this being a no-win situation--if the girls do royal duties they'll be called useless/wasters of taxpayer money...if they get jobs, it will supposedly be because of their royal connections.

I used to think Beatrice and Eugenie would be useful to "the Firm", but recent events involving Andrew and Sarah have made me come around to the idea of them having independent careers. Yes, people will accuse them of getting jobs because of who they are, but once they have those jobs, the media will lose interest--pictures of them arriving at/leaving work every day would get old pretty fast. On the other hand, if Beatrice and Eugenie do royal duties, there will always be new photo opportunities and thus ample opportunities for people to criticize them for doing nothing, bad fashion sense, weight, having their mouths open, etc. etc.

I think I'd rather they just retreat from the limelight and get careers.
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I have suggested internships with The Prince's Trust and with The Queen. How about helping The Princess Royal run Gatecombe? or joining the armed forces or police?
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:24 AM
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On the other hand, if Beatrice and Eugenie do royal duties, there will always be new photo opportunities and thus ample opportunities for people to criticize them for doing nothing, bad fashion sense, weight, having their mouths open, etc. etc.
See I disagree on that. On the Royal duties begin the crowd will have less reason to go after them because they're pulling their weight. It'll stop when the partying stops. Andrew and Sarah could still make fools of themselves but the sins of the parents won't be able to stick t the kids when they're walking the line.
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I hope I'm wrong but it seems to me that Andrew and Fergie managed to tarnish the reputation of their daughters very much. What role models were they? What sort of integrety can the young women inherit? What values are installed in them from their parents?

Sadly they are in a no-win situation, not to a small part due to her parents behaviour.
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:50 AM
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See I dont think they have managed to tarnish the reputation of their girls.

I think there are a lot of mean nasty people in world who are jealous, are trying the girls for the sins of their fathers, have unreasonable expectations, have conflicting expectations, etc.

Recently it was Eugenie's 21st birthday, she didn't have a normal big party. It could be because of her personality as somone who stays out of the limelight, the recent York scandals or maybe because she wants to do it when its warmer, whatever.

So she gets some friends together to get biking treasure hunt in the Park...usual nasty comments about the girl about being a hanger on, her mother and father and royal security....a ride in the park? Really people...I mean what do they want from her?
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See I dont think they have managed to tarnish the reputation of their girls.

I think there are a lot of mean nasty people in world who are jealous, are trying the girls for the sins of their fathers, have unreasonable expectations, have conflicting expectations, etc.

Recently it was Eugenie's 21st birthday, she didn't have a normal big party. It could be because of her personality as somone who stays out of the limelight, the recent York scandals or maybe because she wants to do it when its warmer, whatever.

So she gets some friends together to get biking treasure hunt in the Park...usual nasty comments about the girl about being a hanger on, her mother and father and royal security....a ride in the park? Really people...I mean what do they want from her?
William and Harry didn't get that but they're in the first line and their parents didn't get into what the Yorks have. Diana is all but a saint and Charles, though not the most popular member of the family, stays out of trouble. Zara and Peter are the same, she had her moments but her parents (including their stepfather) don't get into the sort of messes that the Yorks do.

Until they've become productive members of society the sins of the parents will stain them. Unfair? Hell yes and some of the comments are unnecessarily harsh but can you really blame them for thinking blood will out? When tree is considered rotten how can the fruit be anything else? That's how people are thinking.
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I agree with Zonk, these girls unfortunatly will never win but hopefully can get a bit of a break if they're either in private careers or dutiful members of The Firm...

I find it rude and odd plp call them hangers on, they were born into the RF it's not like the choose who their parents/grandmother is... Truthfully by 21 most plp are still in school/partying so I don't get why some plp in news expect more from Bea and Eugenie-

Did William and Harry get such bad press for partying? If not, is that a boy v girl thing, or more to do w/ their parents or what?
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:19 AM
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I agree with Zonk, these girls unfortunatly will never win but hopefully can get a bit of a break if they're either in private careers or dutiful members of The Firm...

I find it rude and odd plp call them hangers on, they were born into the RF it's not like the choose who their parents/grandmother is... Truthfully by 21 most plp are still in school/partying so I don't get why some plp in news expect more from Bea and Eugenie-

Did William and Harry get such bad press for partying? If not, is that a boy v girl thing, or more to do w/ their parents or what?
Young adults are just finding their way into the adult world and socializing is a big part of that. The time between being in school and settling down and perhaps raising a family SHOULD be fun! They've got the energy and stamina to do it too. At their age, 9pm is when life started. Now I'm lucky to be half awake at that time.

With Beatrice and Eugenie, I think we will see things shift quite a bit as Charles becomes King and the girls find their niche in life. I think both Andrew and Sarah are going to gradually slip down on the "attention" scale as the main focus for the RF will be on Charles and Camilla, Will and Kate and Harry and his future wife and their families. Although the Gloucesters and the Kents are an integral part of the BRF, they're just not a focus of the media. This is how I see Charles' siblings and families gradually becoming. Whatever Beatirce and Eugenie decide to do with their lives, they will be more so in the background.
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My view is that, like it or not, the parents actions will reflect on B&E in the short / medium term. If they go on to build careers in dependent of the BRF over he next decade or so and demonstrate their ability to stand squarely on their own two feet, they could, in the future, enter the royal fold and commence engagements. As of now, if they were to start after graduating, my sense is that people might question the value they add.
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I know times have changed but everyone is basing the press, coverage and significance on Beatrice and Eugenie based on the Kents and Gloucesters.

If you go back 20 to 30 years ago before Diana, Sarah, William and Harry....news about the Kents and Gloucesters were news worthy. Look an old copy of a newspaper. A trip by the Duchess of Gloucester would have been a 2 to 3 page story in Majesty. Instead of just a picture shot.

People seem to think that the Kents and Gloucester decided to do royal duties because they wanted to. Until his brother and uncle died, Richard of Gloucester was an architect and partner in a firm. Alexandra and Edward of Kent chimed in because they were needed to fill a void. The same void that Beatrice and Eugenie might be needed to fill when the Kents, Gloucesters, Anne, the Queen and DoE are no longer available. The average age of that group is what 60 to 70?

That being said, certainly as William matures and has his family we shall see less of Beatrice and Eugenie but you shouldn't right write them off because of their parents and their rank in line of succession. Beatrice is after all No. 5....not to wish ill on William and Harry but they don't have normal jobs. Harry is a soldier with a desire to fight and William is a pilot with Search and Rescue. Which for some reason a lot of the British public seems to think is a cushy job. The Washington Post did a series of articles on rescue teams....a lot of unfortunate accidents that affect the teams.

Just saying...a happy medium....doing some enagements and being a part time curator, fashion assistant, or working for a family friend.
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My view is that, like it or not, the parents actions will reflect on B&E in the short / medium term. If they go on to build careers in dependent of the BRF over he next decade or so and demonstrate their ability to stand squarely on their own two feet, they could, in the future, enter the royal fold and commence engagements. As of now, if they were to start after graduating, my sense is that people might question the value they add.
Excellently stated.

Their destinies are theirs to forge at this point, especially so now that William is marrying and more so when he and his bride have their first child.

They can prove themselves to be assets to other organizations outside of the BRF, much the way that many minor members of the (former) German royal family and aristocracy have done. Even the pretender to the Russian throne, Georgy Romanov, holds a responsible position that in no way compromises his intended later contributions to the Imperial "throne" or his aspirations there. With a solid resume backing them in the future, the princesses can choose to either continue their careers or apply to Charles or William for a way to assist the Firm.

I'm one who looks at the senior Yorks with a jaundiced eye - earned by their actions, I add - but do not hold the many foibles of the parents against the princesses. I suspect there are more others like myself than not.

The two York princesses can choose to apply their gifts to appropriate venues, or they can choose to squander them. I sincerely hope that they choose to emulate role models who applied their gifts....not waited to receive more.
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Maybe the best thing for them is to marry well, have children and become involved in charitable organizations and events - as dated as that may sound.

I'm wondering if they can marry well.
Sarah is a big handicap in the marital stakes!

I remember reading an article about the young members of the aristocracy in current court circles, and who's dating who- but when it came to Beatrice and Eugenie the attitude was summed up: Shame about the mother.

I expect they will easily marry wealth (maybe even celebrities), but I'm wondering if they'll be considered desirable mates for any scions of those ancient noble families.
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The granddaughters of the Queen of England and they are worried about the mother?! That's the kind of attitude I am talking about. Because no one in the English aristocracy has no type of bad buzz, scandals or baggage.
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...Beatrice is after all No. 5....not to wish ill on William and Harry but they don't have normal jobs. Harry is a soldier with a desire to fight and William is a pilot with Search and Rescue. Which for some reason a lot of the British public seems to think is a cushy job. The Washington Post did a series of articles on rescue teams....a lot of unfortunate accidents that affect the teams.
I've never understood that either. SAR is very dangerous work, especially around all of those cliffs you guys have over there. They make it sound like Will sits around with his feet propped up watching the telly until the call comes in. They are constantly on training maneuvers in order to keep sharp. Over here, we all seem to realize that SAR is a very dangerous and stressful job and admire anyone who is willing to put their lives on the line for ours. But the British folks...I just don't get it.
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