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Old 10-30-2010, 02:06 PM
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I am sure the BRF receives tons of invitations to events such as these. Based on what limited information that we know about the charity, it does appear that things seem a bit sketchy. So why would you forward that.

At an office the person going thru the mail makes a couple of piles: trash....mail that you are not familiar with and need some time to research and legit mail. For all we know, this invitation might have never made it out of the 2nd pile. So therefore, they wouldn't haven't received this invitation.

Do you think Andrew (and his daughters) read all his invitations. I am sure one or two people look at it before he even does (if he does at all).
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I meant in the sense that she is not going to be working straight out of the gate. I was under the perception that she is primarily going to be a military wife and taken on events with William. As for the press well clearly in that sense she will be in the limelight, but will her work reflect more Princess Anne or more Beatrice and Eugenie.

Yes, i am well aware of the fact that it took Anne years to build up her appearences. I was thinking more like role-models.

What do you mean about Beatrice and Eugenie?

They are both at university at the moment. At their ages William was also at uni and not expected to be doing royal duties so why do people think that these two should be before finishing their education?

Anne started building up here work level from her late 20s - after she retired from being an equestrianne - again at an age much older than Beatrice or Eugenie are now.

I know moderators that this is in the Title for William etc thread but this is where the comment was made so this is where I made the reply.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:59 AM
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What do you mean about Beatrice and Eugenie?
I never excused William from doing royal duties just because he was at university. If you have time to go clubbing you have time to work. There are weekends off and of course holidays. The problem with the younger generation is that they appear to spend the money but their work ethic remains to be seen.
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Old 12-15-2010, 02:58 AM
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I never excused William from doing royal duties just because he was at university. If you have time to go clubbing you have time to work. There are weekends off and of course holidays. The problem with the younger generation is that they appear to spend the money but their work ethic remains to be seen.

Actually Beatrice does do some duties such as charity functions. She also has done the London Marathon for charity etc all while at uni. By comparison William did very little if anything and yet Beatrice is still criticised.

Her weekends, if anything like mine at uni, was also when I did a lot of my research and other work.

Young people do go to nightclubs but they are also only young once and at 22 I am prepared to give her another years before saying she needs to pick things up a bit, unless she is in full-time employment away from doing royal stuff - which for her sake I hope she does.

In fact the last major royals to start working in their early 20s were in the Queen's own generation as she allowed her own children to start in their late 20s full time with some in their early 20s - Charles for instance didn't leave the military until mid-late 20s, Anne also late 20s when she retired, Andrew mid-40s and Edward mid-30s so to expect her grandchildren to start at younger ages than their parents is, to my mind unfair.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:20 PM
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Actually Beatrice does do some duties such as charity functions. She also has done the London Marathon for charity etc all while at uni. By comparison William did very little if anything and yet Beatrice is still criticised.
I will just say this before we keep going off topic Many people around the world hold down full or part-time jobs and still go to school. Considering that the royals don't have to work to pay their way through school it would be nice if the younger generation did more charity events. I think that would help the perception that they are leeching off the taxpayers. By the way I was just giving an example about Beatrice and Eugenie, hopefully in time they too will be great for the family. Perhaps if they got more guidance in the roles they will undertake in the future that would help. After all they are kinda in no-man's land. They are not the heirs, not the spares. So no real role. That can be more tricky than being king or queen. At least in that case your role is set for you all you have to do is perform.
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:32 AM
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I personally do not believe there is a front line role for the York girls in the BRF in the medium term. They should focus on developing careers for themselves, and if at some time in the future they are required, they can carry out some royal engagements.

I do think it is a bit unfair to carry out public or charitable engagements when they are students. They do not receive any funding from the state, and are not really answerable to the public.
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:41 AM
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I would argue that if it is expected that they might be doing royal duties at some time in the future then they shouldn't be starting careers but starting royal duties.

If they have successful careers and then in 20 years time William says - we need you to help with the royal stuff they will find it much harder to start.

I hope they do find fulfilling careers for themselves rather than spending their lives opening buildings and other stuff that won't get them any respect from the public anyway. They will always be the butt of the British press because they are Sarah's daughters and the public will never give them any slack. I would love them to take the chance with Kate coming in to the family for them to slip right out of the limelight and even starting on Christmas Day to spend the day with their mother rather than with the Queen - away from the public eye.
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:01 PM
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I think we are in agreement here (is that a first? ). The York girls should build lives and careers for themselves independent of "The Firm". I personally do not see a role for them in the medium term, but if circumstances require at some time in the future, it will be for them and the monarch at the time (Charles or William) to agree the way forward.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:29 PM
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I must confess I don't really have a liking for the York-princesses. For me, they are always good to be "Last Night's Scandal". Not necessarily because they are breaking the rules of society all the times, but because their mother is so notorious and the media believes in "like mother, like daughters".

But - and that's a big "but": as long as Britain does have a society where the young daughters of the upper nobility have an official "precedence" over older or more merited women due to their birth and as long as this is widely accepted, there is no need to start harping at those two young ladies. I read quite some articles about young Lady A... Z.... or Lady B.... Y.....-X...... in which these young girls were presented as being something special due to the fact that they are the daughters of peers. To be just, the media should offer the same kind of reverence to Eugenie and Beatrice or offer no reverence at all! Only because they are Sarah's daughters (I can't recall having read such bashing articles about the Ladies First Name Windsor), now that's not fair.

Start with The Honorables or Their Ladyships, not with TRH. My opinion, of course.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:34 PM
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Well, I know thats your opinion but I find that a little sad.

Beatrice and Eugenie (as they age and mature) shouldn't be judged by their parents actions. No child should. Nor do I think we should hold things against people when they do foolish things when they are young. If that was the case, half the world wouldn't get a second chance.

But that's just my opinion.
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:24 PM
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Oh, I think you misunderstood me, I'm sorry about this. I'll try to explain it better. Okay, I don't have a liking for them, but that's just my personal feelings. I don't know them, I don't want to judge them, it's just that what I know and have read of them didn't give me a certain "liking". While I do like Mary and Marie of Denmark or Catherine Middleton. Don't know why.

But I have the feeling they are put into a drawer (German saying, don't know the equivalent in English) as the children of notorious Sarah and "foolish" Andrew (because he sticks to Sarah and does not desert her). And the fact that they are put into this position is potentially damaging to the RF. Which is a fact I think they should be aware of and try not to do those silly faults. Catherine Middleton has shown that you can pull that off if you are really trying.

OTOH they are princesses of the blood and there should be no talk of downgrading them, only because they are
a) young. Or a bit silly. Or both.
b) Sarah and Andrew's children
c) unimportant and best to be forgotten.
d) and nada, nada, nada.

As long as Brtain is not downgrading every daughter of the aristocracy. Which won't happen. So let them be princesses and enjoy their lives. But with a bit of princessly style. They are after all the result of centuries of Royal breeding.... Let me see this. And not "Sarah's girls aka "TRM = Their Royal Mini-Mes"
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:36 PM
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I think we are in agreement here (is that a first? ). The York girls should build lives and careers for themselves independent of "The Firm". I personally do not see a role for them in the medium term, but if circumstances require at some time in the future, it will be for them and the monarch at the time (Charles or William) to agree the way forward.
I think it is a first because I agree. What do you guys think about their titles and the kind-of jobs they can have? I think that with their princess titles they will have different expectations placed on them in terms of the jobs they can have. For example: princess titles will require them to open hospitals etc... while different titles will allow them to hold normal jobs.
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:39 PM
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I think it is a first because I agree. What do you guys think about their titles and the kind-of jobs they can have? I think that with their princess titles they will have different expectations placed on them in terms of the jobs they can have. For example: princess titles will require them to open hospitals etc... while different titles will allow them to hold normal jobs.

I think they could very easily get jobs with their degrees that would also be useful with their titles. Beatrice is doing a history degree so it would be possible for her to actually get a job (if one is available and if her grades etc are good enough) at say the royal archives where she can be using her qualifications but not be doing something 'unprincessy'.

I am not suggesting that a job be created for her but rather that she could have a job in that sort of area within the royal structure rather than say at another museum. She could also get a government job - again on merit alone not birth - but only where she won't be involved in policy so again some research type job.
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While an education is always beneficial in some way, I doubt that either of the York girls will ever need a career. Firstly, I believe there will still be enough royal duties for them to perform as the older generation (Pss Alexandra, P/Pss Michael, the Duke of Kent) cut back on their roles. Even Charles/Camilla, Anne and Andrew are getting up in age and may begin to scale back in the next decade or so.
Even with P Wm (and his bride) and P Harry (and his spouse) taking the primary focus, that stil leaves room for more. Peter and Zara do not carry out royal duties and Lady Louise and Viscount Severn are still far too young (and probably won't be carrying out royal duties, per their parents wishes), so who does that leave? Pss Beatrice & Eugenie.
Even if they don't perform royal duties, they will more than likey end up marrying wealthy men and won't have to worry about a career.
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:34 PM
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However Charles has been reported as wanting to cut down the royal family and even remove the HRH from Beatrice and Eugenie (but that would only work if he also denied it to his own second son's children).

I can see the royal family doing duties being Charles, Camilla, William, Kate and occasionally Harry, while he is in the military with the rest fending for themselves and the British public preferring some soap star to do a lot of the work currently done by the royals.
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Old 12-17-2010, 05:58 AM
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The current active royals (Andrew, Edward & Sophie, Anne etc) couuld very easily carry on with their current work loads for at least another 10 years. In that time, it would be useful for the York girls to gainfully engage in some other activities (including professional jobs) and if they were called to help later in life, I am sure their experiences in these intervening years would come in handy in their future royal careers.
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I think they could very easily get jobs with their degrees that would also be useful with their titles. Beatrice is doing a history degree so it would be possible for her to actually get a job (if one is available and if her grades etc are good enough) at say the royal archives where she can be using her qualifications but not be doing something 'unprincessy'.

I am not suggesting that a job be created for her but rather that she could have a job in that sort of area within the royal structure rather than say at another museum. She could also get a government job - again on merit alone not birth - but only where she won't be involved in policy so again some research type job.
Sounds like a great idea. They should remember to be careful in choosing a career I remember how controversial Edward and Sophie's choices became although I think they had the right idea.
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I am not suggesting that a job be created for her but rather that she could have a job in that sort of area within the royal structure rather than say at another museum. She could also get a government job - again on merit alone not birth - but only where she won't be involved in policy so again some research type job.

I think birth is bound to be a factor in any job she gets.
And in the current job climate, I suspect that far more qualified applicants will be in competition for those jobs in archives or museums.
She'd be hired on the basis of who she is rather than what she knows, and subject to criticism for that, too.
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Presently I'm inclined to give Beatrice and Eugenie the benefit of the doubt. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The main things they are photographed doing are going on holiday and going to clubs and events. It doesn't mean they do it all the time, but it's public and it proves the Daily Mail's theory that they're workshy (and sells papers and pictures).

If they're photographed going to uni, working hard and keeping a low profile they will be accused of staging photographs. If they get a "normal" (for want of a better word) job they'll be criticised for trading on their royal connections.

Unfortunately they have to weather the storm of criticism they currently receive (which is sad but indicative of how vitriolic the British press can be) and hope that their very wise grandmother is on hand to provide advice on how they can carve a niche for themselves in the future.

Maybe they should also look to Zara, who was battered by the press 5-10 years ago but is now viewed as talented, grounded, down to earth and praised to the skies.

Of course, if they are lazy, arrogant and do naff all once they graduate then I will be first in line to criticise them!
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Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie pay price for row over Duke of York's trade role - Telegraph

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Beatrice and Eugenie.
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