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Old 09-15-2009, 12:23 PM
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but what about Sarah's patronages? What happend to them? Could Beatrice and Eugenie take over some of those?
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:30 PM
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but what about Sarah's patronages? What happend to them? Could Beatrice and Eugenie take over some of those?

They could take over their mother's patronages in time, if she was to relinguish them.

I do think though that Sarah is only 49 (50 next month) that she will hold them for a number of years yet and the girls will need to find other patronages to take over.

I wonder if either of them, in time, will take over Auntie Anne's Save the Children to keep an HRH as the leading light in that organisation. It does have some cache about it to have HRH as the top name rather than some other name. Again though that would be years in the future with Anne only turning 59 this year.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:44 PM
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Do you suppose with the future wives of William and Harry and the current royal
ladies who have their own patronages will still be room for Eugenie & Beatrice?
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Old 09-15-2009, 07:12 PM
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Sadly enough, it depends on how soon the current generation starts to decline in health and pass away. There are no guarantees that the younger (i.e. Princess Anne, the Duchess of Cornwall) women will live to ripe old ages.

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Do you suppose with the future wives of William and Harry and the current royal
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:26 PM
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It also depends on whether both Harry and William marry. Albert of Monaco isn't married and there are other cases of heirs to the throne who remained bachelors for a long time. Beatrice and Eugenie could easily be married before both Harry and William are.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:59 PM
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but what about Sarah's patronages? What happend to them? Could Beatrice and Eugenie take over some of those?
That, imo, would be good training before they branch out on their own.
Captial Idea lumutqueen.
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Old 09-21-2009, 06:20 AM
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Fifth and sixth in line is a long way to the throne when you think about it. If I was their mother I'd encourage both girls to get a university education and a full time job. I don't think tax payers should be funding protection for these adults either. Well maybe just the bare minimum protection since they were raised in the spot light and a few unsavory people might prey on them. Generally, if someone's a bother, they could easily do what everyone else does - call the police, that's what they're there for.
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:39 PM
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They are the same age as William and Harry and if life takes over as it should, they will be further and further away as these two get married and two more princesses are added to the "firm".
The idea of a good education is great, since I have to agree with most
that the taxpayers will not continue forever to pay for protection of the
extended family. Besides once the two ladies get married they will have
to devote their time raising their own families, probably away from the
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:39 PM
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Fifth and sixth aren't that far down the line.
Especially when you consider that the second and fourth are middle aged. And while The Queen, the Queen Mother and Prince Phillip have had nice long lives. That's not the case with everyone. Not wishing anything bad on Charles and Andrew but we are all going to die. Someone can get cancer, have a heart attack, etc. And as previously mentioned, William and Harry have jobs that put them in constant danger. Accidents happen. Again, not wishing death on the Wales boys but there you have it.

Until William and Harry have kids, I would say anyone in the Top Ten is important enough. And as you mentioned before, there are enough kooks out there who target regular people. Only Scotland Yard knows the kooks who have a fascination for royalty. I mean, someone drove a car onto the path of Queen Beatrix bus!

I can't speak for the British public, but once both girls graduate from the university and if they curb down on the clubbing and start picking up patronages, the funding for security might not be such a problem.
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:46 PM
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Gee Zonk....You had me depressed for a second...LOL
On a serious note, none of us knows what is going to happen and although 5 & 6 seem close to the throne, in the distant future with
Charles becoming King, no one know what kind of "court" he will establish
and how many of the royals will be involved.
Still all in all a good degree from a reputable university will weigh itself in gold for any young royal...
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:53 PM
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Again, I stand by one of my earlier posts that its too early too write the York girls off.

We don't know what the future holds. For all we know, the monarchy can disappear after Queen Elizabeth dies.

But its important to note a couple of things in British history:

No one EVER though the following people had a chance at being crowned King or Queen of England: Queen Elizabeth I, Elizabeth II, Mary I, William IV, George VI, George V, James I, and George III (his father Frederick, Prince of Wales died before HE could become King).

I am not even talking about the Kings who took the throne by force.

And at some point, the royal family will become smaller. Once the current Dukes of Kent and Gloucester die, their heirs will become Your Grace's. Beatrice and Eugenie have the opportunity to contribute to the BRF.
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Old 09-21-2009, 06:15 PM
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If it is left to B or Eugenie to become monarch, that is the time I think the UK would become a republic.

We will see what they can contribute in this modern day and age, sadly with their reputations, deserved or not, I don't hold out a lot of hope of anything worthwhile.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:56 PM
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These girls can't even pick a nice or,at least,decent dress Are we sure they can handle more "duties"?
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:31 PM
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These girls can't even pick a nice or,at least,decent dress Are we sure they can handle more "duties"?
sad..... but true
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:08 PM
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I am really disappointed that people here are writing off a 21 and 18 year old.

For crying out loud they are young and have a lot of growing up to do.

Both are at university (well Eugenie starts this week) so have a number of years before their future is decided.

As Beatrice will serve as a Councillor of State over the next 20+ years she has to be available for that role if needed (she is eligible now I think but if not will be when Charles becomes King as the Coucillors of State are either the next 4 or 5 in line over the age of 21). As a result until either William or Harry have a child reach 21 she will be involved in royal matters as she simply could be asked to do the job temporarily at any time over the next generation. These are the people who do the job of monarch when the monarch is out of the country by the way. The monarch appoints one or more of them before leaving the country. Scenario - Charles is King, William is touring the US, Harry on deployment to some place needing peacekeepers, Andrew is in China working for the government and Charles has a stroke. For the day or so it takes to get William home Beatrice would actually be the one in charge.

These girls will be working for the firm to a greater or lesser extent for the next 20 years or so.
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:22 PM
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---- SHORTENED ------ Scenario - Charles is King, William is touring the US, Harry on deployment to some place needing peacekeepers, Andrew is in China working for the government and Charles has a stroke. For the day or so it takes to get William home Beatrice would actually be the one in charge --- SHORTENED ---
I just wonder how many times HM has had to use stand ins at the bottom of the pecking order. Of course if Charles has a stroke, he wouldn't be appointing anyone!

IMO, most people in the UK have no idea who B or E are and again IMO, would question the need for a monarchy if we were reduced to having either of these young women represent us. They may be young but what have they done so far that is memorable or praiseworthy?
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And I,dear Iluvbertie,find it extremely odd for grown-ups to support girls like Beatrice & Eugenie,as if they are the best examples of 21 and 18 year old people.Personally,I know 13 year old children that are far more intelligent,serious and sophisticated than these 2 royal "I-have-tons-of-opportunities" sweethearts(and,for the record,the children I know don't live in a cage...)...
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:15 PM
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Thank you Iluvbertie!

I was wondering if was just me or has the world run out of kittens to kick. Which I dont condone by the way just a figure of speech.

First of all, I totally agree that its sad to write off an 18 and 21 year old.

Secondly, I don't think its necessary to use Beatrice and Eugenie's dress as a barometer for public service.

Finally, I think its unfair to compare all 18 and 21 years old. Each young person has their own story, experiences, etc. An 18 in London is not having the same experiences as one in NYC, Rome, Berlin or London. Just like an 18 years who is brought up both of their parents is most likely to have a different maturity than one who was brought up by a single mother, single father or no parents at all. There are 21 years that are more mature than 25 years old, etc. I hope you get my point.

I can't speak on who does and doesn't know of Beatrice and Eugenie in the British public. I would imagine that based on this board and the news (some of it deserved and some of not so deserving) that the image is not positive. But its too early to write people off as worthless.
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And I,dear Iluvbertie,find it extremely odd for grown-ups to support girls like Beatrice & Eugenie,as if they are the best examples of 21 and 18 year old people.Personally,I know 13 year old children that are far more intelligent,serious and sophisticated than these 2 royal "I-have-tons-of-opportunities" sweethearts(and,for the record,the children I know don't live in a cage...)...

So becaue they aren't the 'best' we simply write them off.

Thank goodness I don't have to live up to your standards as I too would be a write off, as I make poor choices even now at over 50 let alone at 18 and 21.

They are the same ages as my neices, who have had good educations and currently are at good unis or schools but they are no different to the things these princesses in the way they dress or what they enjoy doing. My family isn't writing them off but allowing them to grow.

It seems that Beatrice and Eugenie aren't allowed any slack (but of course William and Harry were given the slack at the same ages as being 'boys' and being 'young' etc but the girls can't get the same slack.

I suspect that the girls are given bad press because of their parents whereas William and Harry were given slack because they were Diana's sons.

I will give these girls at least 5 years.
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As far as I am concerned it is not the way they dress that bothers me it is the way they act and the company they are sometimes seen with. What I would like to point out is that there are many young girls of that age who are very sensible and mature who have wise parents who give them good advice and an example to follow.
As to the point that there is still time, I admit there are many people who are late developers so perhaps there is hope.
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