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Old 04-23-2009, 04:34 PM
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I haven´t noticed many people criticizing the girls for their looks it has mainly been because of their lack of discretion. I see nothing wrong with Eugenie´s figure, it is full and healthy, the controversy was caused by what she was doing with it, and even then it was mainly because she should have known or suspected that photographers would be present.
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I couldnt care whether they were as thin as rakes or fat as fools, I'd just like them to do some bloody work!
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Old 04-23-2009, 05:56 PM
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I couldnt care whether they were as thin as rakes or fat as fools, I'd just like them to do some bloody work!
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1) The girls are still very young, and so one does need to cut them some slack for that. Going out, getting drunk every now and then is all part of growing up, and most young people do that!
A princess should not behave like that no matter what! They are not like most young people. Most young people do not have all the prerogatives they have. Most young people are not styled Your Royal Highness, most young people are not grandchildren of the head of state, most young people are not seen as possible heads of state, most young people are not expected to represent their country, etc. They are not born to be like most people - they have more prerogatives than most young people and therefore they should behave better than most young people in order to show that they deserve those prerogatives.

If they want to live like normal people, why don't they move out of the palace, drop their titles and styles, get a job and then live like other young people? Nooo, they want the palace, the titles, the style, taxpayer's money and party every night.
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:01 PM
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I agree, I think the girls should find something meaningful to do with themselves, either furthering their education, doing some sort of volunteerism, or finding a real job of some sort ... but they should also be allowed to have some fun. (I know I attempted to have some fun when I was their age.)
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I agree, I think the girls should find something meaningful to do with themselves, either furthering their education, doing some sort of volunteerism, or finding a real job of some sort ... but they should also be allowed to have some fun. (I know I attempted to have some fun when I was their age.)

They are 'furthering their education'.

Beatrice is currently a full time student at uni and Eugenie is on her gap year, in which she is experiencing a range of different cultures e.g. Indian, Thai, Aussie (yes we are a different culture to the British) before going to uni as a full time student.

By your list they are doing something 'meaningful with themselves'.

They are also having some fun.
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A princess should not behave like that no matter what! They are not like most young people. Most young people do not have all the prerogatives they have. Most young people are not styled Your Royal Highness, most young people are not grandchildren of the head of state, most young people are not seen as possible heads of state, most young people are not expected to represent their country, etc. They are not born to be like most people - they have more prerogatives than most young people and therefore they should behave better than most young people in order to show that they deserve those prerogatives.

If they want to live like normal people, why don't they move out of the palace, drop their titles and styles, get a job and then live like other young people? Nooo, they want the palace, the titles, the style, taxpayer's money and party every night.

Unfortunately two royal wives believed that their children should be raised 'normal' and the result is four young royals who are often seen to be wanting to be 'normal' rather than royal.

Diana and Sarah felt that the upbringing of the royals was too stuffy, convinced their husbands (and how much convincing they took I don't know - it might have been very little or a lot or something in between) to let the children have normal upbringings but in the process forgot that their offspring also have to be royal. The husbands believed that the mothers were right and let them have their way and continued it after separation, divorce and death took the mothers away from the royal scene.

Anne got it right - normal but aware of their royal connections and how to behave.
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My apologies people - I thought the Councillors of State were 18 not 21.

That means that the present queen has to live until 2031 to stop Beatrice becoming one assuming William or Harry marries this year and has a child next year. That would mean the Queen has to live until aged 105. To stop Eugenie either William or Harry have twins next year or they both marry this year and become fathers next year and the Queen lives to 105 and Charles to 83.

I think the likelihood is that one or both of them will be eligible to serve as Councillors of State.

An interesting point is that despite being eligible Philip has never served - why you ask? Simple - Councillors of State are appointed when the Queen travels abroad and she has never gone overseas without Philip so he has never been able to be appointed. Mostly the Queen has used The Queen Mother, Margaret, Charles and Anne (she doesn't need to use all of them at the same time of course). I think she normally appoints two.
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They are 'furthering their education'.

Beatrice is currently a full time student at uni and Eugenie is on her gap, in which she is experiencing a range of different cultures e.g. Indian, Thai, Aussie (yes we are a different culture to the British) year before going to uni as a full time student.

By your list they are doing something 'meaningful with themselves'.

They are also having some fun.
I wasn't sure about Beatrice... hope she manages to keep her grades up with all the partying that she reportedly does (although I have my doubts that she's as terrible as she's painted).

As for Eugenie, for once it sounds like a Royal might be mingling with people outside of their circumscribed social circle. And the backpacking might be a way of experiencing the early travels (and freedom before marriage) of her mother. Unfortunately, the young woman isn't as anonymous as the young Sarah.

But rather than going to party spots all around the world (and some of them in problematic places) there should be some educational/social component to it. She could work on her tan at an archaeological dig or protecting turtles or something, even diving at your Barrier Reef. Uncle Charlie could get her a job counting red squirrels in Wales!
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I wasn't sure about Beatrice... hope she manages to keep her grades up with all the partying that she reportedly does (although I have my doubts that she's as terrible as she's painted).

As for Eugenie, for once it sounds like a Royal might be mingling with people outside of their circumscribed social circle. And the backpacking might be a way of experiencing the early travels (and freedom before marriage) of her mother. Unfortunately, the young woman isn't as anonymous as the young Sarah.

But rather than going to party spots all around the world (and some of them in problematic places) there should be some educational/social component to it. She could work on her tan at an archaeological dig or protecting turtles or something, even diving at your Barrier Reef. Uncle Charlie could get her a job counting red squirrels in Wales!
But really...is Beatrice partying that much anymore? Yes, she might go to the occasional event...but really which college student doesn't?
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But really...is Beatrice partying that much anymore? Yes, she might go to the occasional event...but really which college student doesn't?
I agree completely, for the reasons that Kotroman set out, that neither of the girls should do what the average college student does(except for studying ).
True, either Beatrice is partying less or being more discreet about it. Either of these reasons is laudable.

The counting of squirrels in Wales idea is brilliant by the way.
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They are 'furthering their education'.
I am not convinced that Eugenie's brand of 'furthering their education' is one I would fully agree with, i.e. bumming around a few of the well known backpackers hotspots (Thailand, India - where she did stay at the Taj). One would have hoped that along with the travel (which certainly adds perspective), she might have done something meaningful, like some volunteering work, or some language skills or work at a museum or something.
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Anne got it right - normal but aware of their royal connections and how to behave.
I whole heartedly agree with that one!
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Anne got it right - normal but aware of their royal connections and how to behave.
Peter and Zara Philips have behaved no worse and no better than their cousins. Both Philips siblings spent their Gap Years doing nothing more worthwhile than hanging out in pubs in Manly ( Sydney) Zara dated up a storm with the sons of wealthy Sydneyites. Neither did any voluntary work anywhere in the world.
Peter during his university days had boozy holidays on Ibiza ( along with mulitudes of other young Brits!) There are assorted photos of him and his friends there. Once he started work he was protected more or less as he got a job working with Jackie Stewart's formula 1 racing team. ( nepotism at its best as Jackie Stewart is close friends with Anne, his wife is god-mother to Zara) Spending time on the racing circuit meant that the British press didn't have that much access to him. The racing press were more interested in the drivers.
Zara got her tongue pierced when she was 17, failed to get good enough grades to get into university. ( Her own admissions, she wanted to go but didn't get the marks) Lived with her boyfriend and posed for Hello magazine and made money. Was seen publicly brawling with same boyfriend on several occasions before they split up. Last year with current boyfriend Mike Tindall, had a binge drinking session after the Cheltenham races that ended at 4am when sensibly they were driven home. Unfortunately the next morning at 10am Mike failed a breath test and was done for drunken driving and has now been convicted. Zara was just lucky that she wasn't driving or caught as well.
In the past Zara attended Royal Ascot wearing a dress split to the thigh, something that wouldn't pass the dress code anymore.
Peter Philips made money from his wedding by posing for pictures for Hello magazine, there were 2 interviews given as well. But the most controversial was the payment.
They are older now and quieter but really they were no better than their cousins.
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Surely this doesn´t make anything the Princesses do right!
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Surely this doesn´t make anything the Princesses do right!
I'm not part of the condemnation chorus when it comes to the 2 princesses. I don't think there's anything wrong with them, they're just like other people their age and better than some previous royals their age. ( European heirs Dutch Willem-Alexander was called prins pils, prince beer, CP Frederik the turbo prince, due to his speeding and one bad car accident with his brother. And of course the poster child for the royal rebel Princess Stephanie) Just pointing out that the Philips siblings were/ are not paragons of virtue either.
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it amazes me how people justify the behavior of the young royals, or most young people as "everyone does it". getting drunk is not normal behavior. the world is littered with stories of young people partaking in this "normal" behavior and we now have a generation of spoilt kids with a sense of self entitlement the likes of which we've never seen. whatever happened to teaching our kids that they have a responsibilty to society? that they have to work for what they have/want? whether they like it or not these princesses have a responsibility to act and behave in a certain way, moreso than most people their age just by virtue of the fact of who they are. eugenie and beatrice should be carrying out duties. it doesn't have to be a lot, enough to show that they appreciate who they are and where they come from. i agree with iluvbertie that raising these kids to be "normal" has backfired enormously.
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I'm not part of the condemnation chorus when it comes to the 2 princesses. I don't think there's anything wrong with them, they're just like other people their age and better than some previous royals their age. ( European heirs Dutch Willem-Alexander was called prins pils, prince beer, CP Frederik the turbo prince, due to his speeding and one bad car accident with his brother. And of course the poster child for the royal rebel Princess Stephanie) Just pointing out that the Philips siblings were/ are not paragons of virtue either.
I repeat surely this doesn´t make what the princesses do right. Perhaps you see no wrong in their behaviour, other people do.
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I haven´t noticed many people criticizing the girls for their looks it has mainly been because of their lack of discretion. I see nothing wrong with Eugenie´s figure, it is full and healthy, the controversy was caused by what she was doing with it, and even then it was mainly because she should have known or suspected that photographers would be present.
And I really hope that people don't criticize the girls for their looks. I think that both princesses have lovely figures, and they look healthy and normal (I'm not talking about their clothes). The last thing these two need is to start worrying that they are not thin enough. They are both very pretty young women, and they seem to be intelligent. I believe that they both have the potential to do great things, after they outgrow their adolescent behavior.
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Zara got her tongue pierced when she was 17, failed to get good enough grades to get into university. ( Her own admissions, she wanted to go but didn't get the marks) .
That is a strange comment as she has a degree in Equine Physiotherapy from Exeter University I believe.

She gained three A - levels (the same number as the others) and after her gap year she did attend university.

The only one of the Queen's grandchildren, who have so far left school, not to go to university has been Harry.
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