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Old 12-17-2012, 03:25 PM
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I'm sure Andrew & Sarah knows that if they really want to move on with their love lives, then they will have to go about that in a responsible way. They are pretty much doing things the way they like at the moment. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from their interviews. They are pretty honset, frank and funny in interviews.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:20 AM
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I think the arrangement at Royal Lodge (at earlier at Sunninghill) was perfect for family life while the girls were growing up. It was kind of "the best of both worlds" - when Beatrice and Eugenie were at home, they could all be together as a family; when they were at boarding school or uni, Sarah and Andrew didn't have to see much of each other if they didn't want to (it's a big house after all).

I think they have a special relationship, but maybe more of a very close friendship than something romantic these days. I don't think they could ever remarry because of the negative attitudes towards Sarah in the RF, and she surely wouldn't want that pressure again.

Perhaps in the long run, it would be best for them to live separately, so they could both "move on" romantically, especially now that the girls have both finished university and are fully fledged adults. I think perhaps Sarah would want her own place eventually, once she can afford it. Obviously right now, she's still getting back on her feet after her recent debt problems, and Andrew was so kind to support her with a place to live at this time.

As NGalitzine says, one problem for Sarah in the couple moving on is definitely the prospect of losing her title. I wouldn't describe it as a "meal ticket" as *I think Sarah's commercial success (books, TV, speaking engagements, etc.) are down to her own talent and hard work, but I do think that being Duchess of York is part of her "brand", and her prestige and earning potential would be lower without it. In a way, she's trapped - obliged to earn how own living, but (at least partially) dependant on her royal past in order to do so. Nevertheless, I'd love to see her find happiness with another man, and if he was wealthy enough to support her, so much the better.
I think that time has proven that Sarah will never be on her own financially. She obviously has a very difficult time handling money, as evidenced by her repeated debt problems. It is fine that she and Andrew have a good relationship but I don't think Sarah has any intention of ever living on her own. If that occurred, she might have to fund her ski trips and other vacations herself. I wouldn't say that she was a "gold-digger" in the beginning but I do think she is perfectly willing to be supported. An honestly, are her commercial endeavors all that successful? I mean to maintain a separate life and household away from Andrew?
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:39 AM
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At the height of Sarah's commercial success in NYC about a decade ago SHE was the one funding Andrew's lavish ski holidays. Whenever he was in New York he stayed at her luxury penthouse.

Sarah made a lot of $$, but her pattern of financial mismanagement and overspending once her contracts with Weight Watchers, Ocean Spray, and Wedgwood China ended continued.

She has been almost as generous to her ex as he has been to her...it's not all one-sided.
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This discussion does not need to dominate two separate threads.

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Agreed. When she became The Duchess of York, people received her warmly. For a time, she was more popular than The Princess of Wales; she was seen as a woman who could be identified with because of her larger figure and because she wasn't titled. Her husband loved her. She knew before she married him that he'd be at sea. That's what naval officers do. She knew she'd be expected to perform public engagements without complaining and that people expect a certain decorum from members of the Royal Family. For the first couple of years of her public life, there weren't any real complaints about her. True, the papers were horrid about her weight problems. But other things that happened were her own fault.
Was Sarah more popular than Diana for a while?
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Sarah had a "shiny new toy" type of appeal with the press and public. She was very different from Diana who, after five years in the public eye had gained a reputation for being high maintenance, sulky, petulant at times despite her beauty and style.

But Fergiemania was soon over. Sarah was never really more popular than Diana.
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Sarah had a "shiny new toy" type of appeal with the press and public. She was very different from Diana who, after five years in the public eye had gained a reputation for being high maintenance, sulky, petulant at times despite her beauty and style.

But Fergiemania was soon over. Sarah was never really more popular than Diana.
Was she? That doesn't come across in the videos one watches of the time. Later, in the 90's I see it once all the drama started. But that was happening earlier?
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:52 PM
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The scene that comes immediately to mind was shortly after the York wedding the two couples were on the ski slopes and Diana became irritable and uncooperative when the press corps wanted a group photo. Charles was pleading for "darling" to please smile for the camera but she would not.

Even before the 90's she was gathering a reputation for being mercurial..and there was buzz that all was not well in the marriage.

Which most people scoffed at.
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I do remember all the 'breath of fresh air' comments about a bouncy and 'normal' Sarah, who had worked before marriage and was seemingly invariably jokey and cheerful. It was known she fitted in so well into BRF activities at Balmoral and Sandringham.

I don't know about 'high-maintenance', 'sulky' etc., but I can certainly remember reports in the Press from James Whitaker and co, stating that Diana was 'bored at Balmoral' wanting to be in London and 'on shopping sprees at Harrod's'. That was when William was a baby, (end of 1982.)

In November 1982 Diana and Charles seem to have had a blazing row and Diana turned up at Albert Hall on her own and very late after the other royals for the annual concert of Remembrance. She was flustered and she and Charles apparently had a semi public argument in the Royal Box.

That started off speculation about anorexia nervosa, the state of the Royal marriage and articles about it all getting too much for Diana. Nigel Dempster wrote discrediting it all and pleading for the press to give Diana a chance, while others sniped at Dempster, who himself said that Diana was becoming 'disoriented by all the exposure she's been subject to'.

(At that time Diana, who was very popular, had a run of thirteen engagements in three weeks.) Dear Nigel knocked his colleagues weeks later in an American interview when he said that 'Diana ruled the roost..Charles is unhappy that Fleet St forced him into this marriage.'

So there were certainly reports around in the media about Diana's health, and trouble in Paradise. This happened long before Sarah appeared on the scene.
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Okay, I see, thank you, Moonmaiden and Curryong.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:30 AM
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If it’s ok to ask, do you think that Sarah would be allowed to be buried at Frogmore and have a funeral at St George’s Chapel. I was just thinking and wondering whether she would want to be buried alongside her daughters.
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Was Sarah more popular than Diana for a while?
no. She was amusing, not unattractive and she had as soemones said here a "shiny new toy" appeal. But Diana was the one who had the magic. She was occasionally moody, but her appeal was massive and went on for most of her life as a royal.
Fergie was seen as a fun lively girl, who seemed to love Andrew, enjoyed royal life, and liked doing things like sports, learning to fly to get in touch with Andy's work etc. But she was always teetering over the top, good natured but silly and the Press did soon start to give her a hard time because she was loud, OTT in her dress sense, and not slim and elegant like Di.
And within a couple of years Sarah's charm had lessened. She got sulky because she was getting flak from the papers.. She began to take more holidays, to act up a bit, and to spend too much. She wrote a book, and said she would be giving the money to charity and then gave very little. She began to lose favour with the press and the public. Then I think she got fed up with Andrew and with the restrictions fo royal life and she began to fool rond with other men and started to cast around to get out of her marige.

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The scene that comes immediately to mind was shortly after the York wedding the two couples were on the ski slopes and Diana became irritable and uncooperative when the press corps wanted a group photo. Charles was pleading for "darling" to please smile for the camera but she would not.

Even before the 90's she was gathering a reputation for being mercurial..and there was buzz that all was not well in the marriage.

Which most people scoffed at.
There were rumours taht all was not well with the marriage from very early on.. and they certainly did row in public, and servants began to tattle to the papers...
I thought that the incident of Diana not wanting to smile for the cameramen was earlier, before Sarah had married into the RF,
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:39 PM
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There were rumours taht all was not well with the marriage from very early on.. and they certainly did row in public, and servants began to tattle to the papers...
I thought that the incident of Diana not wanting to smile for the cameramen was earlier, before Sarah had married into the RF,
Yes, the "not smiling" visit was the first skiing vacation Charles and Diana took in 1983. The infamous playful pushing and shoving between Diana and Sarah was in 1988 - Sarah was pregnant with Beatrice (but it hadn't been announced yet) and the trip would end tragically with the avalanche death of Hugh Lindsey that Prince Charles was a part of.
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I don't understand the 'not smiling' thing..I just googled and first pic I saw of their first ski trip together..she's smiling ....the trip to Liechetenstein in 84 right?


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The first rumours I heard of things not right in Charles and Diana's marriage was in late 1981 with stories of her telling Charles she hated Balmoral and already spending more nights apart than together and not just in separate bedrooms but in different homes.

As for Andrew and Sarah the first rumours I heard of trouble there came in 1990 between Beatrice and Eugenie with Sarah complaining that not only was he never home due to being in the navy but when he was at home he didn't want to do anything either with her or with Beatrice.
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I'm not sure what happened there with Andrew and Fergi...what changed where when he was home he wanted 'nothing to do with them'.....she married a military man so she had to know there would be separation. Maybe too it was an issue of non-support ...he's gone and she's left dealing with The Firm.




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Definitely strange behavior.

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Let's get back on topic...the marriage of Andrew and Sarah...not the marriage of Charles and Diana.

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Definitely strange behavior.


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I'm not sure what happened there with Andrew and Fergi...what changed where when he was home he wanted 'nothing to do with them'.....she married a military man so she had to know there would be separation. Maybe too it was an issue of non-support ...he's gone and she's left dealing with The Firm.




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She knew quite well that marrying a Naval officer means separations... but she began to whine once she was left alone. And Im sure that it is not at all the case that "Andrew didn't want to have anyting to do with her and Beatrice" Even if he was fed up with Sarah, soon, Im sure he was and is a loving father. And the indications are that it was Sara who got fed up iwht HIM, found him boring when they were home together but complained that he wasn't there when he was on duty...
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