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Old 09-14-2010, 01:02 AM
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You put it very well Zonk. I think finding someone discrete and loyal is very possible, but finding that love again is harder. At least he found it once in Sarah, most people don't. I know she lets him down, but he seems to be able to understand her behaviour when no one else can, and therefore can forgive.
I think for all princes in the British Royal Family, the most important thing is to be loved for who they are and not for their title, wealth or fame. Discretion is important, but not as important as that one quality. I guess in a sense, "being loved for oneself" is pretty much a guarantee of loyalty as well. A princess who loves her prince even though she knows he is very much human, and has flaws, is going to be a loyal princess.

I think this is why the princes of this royal family haven't always gone for the "obvious" choice in a bride. Camilla is discreet, but she doesn't fit the popular conception of a princess. But Charles knew she would support him through thick and thin despite his eccentricities. Sarah hasn't been loyal or discreet in certain ways, as we all know. But in other ways, she has been. She has never spilled his secrets or said anything disparaging about him. Obviously the tabloid sting threatened Andrew's reputation as a trade ambassador, but even while selling access to Andrew, Sarah defended him as a man who was "whiter than white." I would imagine that is very important to Andrew; he knows that underneath the title and the privileged upbringing, he's a very ordinary man (some have said boring, not to mention less than brilliant). But Sarah knows him, and still thinks he's special. I would think that means a lot to Andrew.
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:24 AM
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I too get the feeling that P Andrew has never got over Sarah and that he will never love another woman the way he loved her. These two have a very special bond as they fell in love with each other when they were young. None of them had a great 'past' when they met and this is another great factor, IMO.
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:38 PM
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I too get the feeling that P Andrew has never got over Sarah and that he will never love another woman the way he loved her. These two have a very special bond as they fell in love with each other when they were young. None of them had a great 'past' when they met and this is another great factor, IMO.
The more time passes, the more I'm thinking the same. She brought a sense of fun, freedom, and spontaneity to his life while he gave her the sense of security and unconditional love that she longed for.
I think it's those same things that still keeps them close. I also don't see him loving anyone like that again, Sarah has a place in his heart that is untouchable, and in their two daughters a bond that is unbreakable.
He said as much to the girl on the yacht if her interview is truthful.
I hope the understanding he has shown Sarah in the last few months has finally woken her up, and that she realises what she's got, and what she's got to lose.
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:53 PM
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When there is children involved, there is always a bond between the parents that can never be broken, even if they divorce, go their separate paths or have little contact with each other.

Prince Andrew seems to be a forgiving person (Years ago I really wouldn't have thought so but he's proven this over and over again). But you can only forgive so much.

A spouse can often forgive someone when others can't. It's hard for other family members when someone has been wronged and they forgive that person. They have forgiven them and moved on but at lot of times their family or friends haven't.
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:18 PM
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He is already married to golf, which is his passion and obsession.
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Old 09-15-2010, 02:29 PM
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When there is children involved, there is always a bond between the parents that can never be broken, even if they divorce, go their separate paths or have little contact with each other.
Russo has found if you ignore them enough they do go away. .. of course if they do come stalking back there is always the threat of taking the peg leg off and tossing it out the window again. . .

Russo believes Prince Andrew LOVES Sarah, however, he is not IN LOVE with her anymore given all that they have been through, what she has done has certainly pushed the envelope, IMO and anyone would be hard pressed to love somebody who wrecked as much havoc on the BRF as Sarah has and continues to do so--for instance, the upcoming television deal she has just procured.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:55 PM
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Russo has found if you ignore them enough they do go away. .. of course if they do come stalking back there is always the threat of taking the peg leg off and tossing it out the window again. . .

Russo believes Prince Andrew LOVES Sarah, however, he is not IN LOVE with her anymore given all that they have been through, what she has done has certainly pushed the envelope, IMO and anyone would be hard pressed to love somebody who wrecked as much havoc on the BRF as Sarah has and continues to do so--for instance, the upcoming television deal she has just procured.
I agree. That plus the embarrassment and pain Sarah has caused their daughters, who are obviously his pride and joy.
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Old 09-15-2010, 07:39 PM
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That's who I feel sorry for the most is those poor girls.
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:16 PM
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I think Andrew and the girls have forgiven Sarah. Looking at Andrew's behaviour since the scandal: he paid off some of Sarah's debts, he continues to let her live with him, his spokesperson said he was very supportive of her, they spent at least one night in Spain together on holiday as a family, and according to the model on the yacht with Andrew, he allegedly told her he would never find anyone to replace Sarah and had been very lucky to find her. So we can argue that Andrew should be embarrassed by Sarah given all she's done, but whether he is, is a different story.
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I think Andrew and the girls have forgiven Sarah. Looking at Andrew's behaviour since the scandal: he paid off some of Sarah's debts, he continues to let her live with him, his spokesperson said he was very supportive of her, they spent at least one night in Spain together on holiday as a family, and according to the model on the yacht with Andrew, he allegedly told her he would never find anyone to replace Sarah and had been very lucky to find her. So we can argue that Andrew should be embarrassed by Sarah given all she's done, but whether he is, is a different story.
What else can he do?? If he ignored her he would come off as callus and that would have put the Dailey Mail into a tizzy and garnered bad press for the BRF which is something he is very keen not to do.
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If Sarah would just GO AWAY, it would be the best. Just be dignified and gently fade away into the history books. The things she did when married to a Prince of the Royal Blood are unforgivable. She was brought into the family, is not a REAL Royal, and therefore should have kissed her lucky stars to have the priviledge of being a "Royal" even if it was by proxy from 1986 to whenever the divorce happened. The Queen warned Andrew she was not material for the Royal Family, but he ignored her and still insisted on marrying Sarah. Too bad he made a selfish decision that brought heartache, anguish and real shame on the Royal Family.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:49 PM
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This is something that's new to me. AFAIK the Queen liked Sarah and was pleased that Andrew was settling down. Where did you get your information?


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This is something that's new to me. AFAIK the Queen liked Sarah and was pleased that Andrew was settling down. Where did you get your information?
Copy that. HM and PP bent over backwards to help Sarah adjust. However, I agree with you, qzwxec, on hoping Sarah would just go away.
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I'm afraid Russo that's isn't going to happen especially since she'll be on Oprah's network doing a show in 2011. Trying to figure out what she is the way she is. On board to help her is Dr. Phil who will help her in this quest.
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I'm afraid Russo that's isn't going to happen especially since she'll be on Oprah's network doing a show in 2011. Trying to figure out what she is the way she is. On board to help her is Dr. Phil who will help her in this quest.
Lord I'm not that lucky am I??
I just got her book from the Library: "Reinventing yourself with the Duchess of York." It's from 2000. Wonder if she'll use it??
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:19 PM
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Do you think Prince Andrew or their daughters will be on the show? Probably not. That would be quite interesting if they all were on the show talking with Dr. Phil. I could hardly imagine Prince Andrew doing this nor could I imagine his daughters doing this either. Some royals from the past probably would be shaking their heads and not knowing what to make of it if they were looking down and observing this.
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I can't imagine Prince Andrew or the Princesses of York on this program. The idea of an HRH on any voyeuristic reality series is unimaginable, but especially on a program like this.


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I can't either but do you think even 10 or 20 years ago that anyone could imagine someone like Sarah Ferguson even going on a talk show much less a reality type show trying to figure out who she is or why she is the way she is.

I can just imagine what the royals from above must be thinking.
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The Queen warned Andrew she was not material for the Royal Family, but he ignored her and still insisted on marrying Sarah. Too bad he made a selfish decision that brought heartache, anguish and real shame on the Royal Family.
Please where did you hear this?

Everything I remember from the time etc is that the Queen welcomed her with open arms, having known her from such a young age (like Diana).
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Wouldn't it be funny if later we found out that PA has been secretly seeing someone "more acceptable" all the while. But he was just trying keep the media out of his business in order to give the relationship a chance grow. Think about it with all the grief Sarah has caused him if the media knew he was in a real relationship with a woman who truly loved him after all these years the media would be all over that.
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