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Old 07-23-2010, 01:22 AM
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One has to remember that Sarah didn't really "divorce" Andrew. She had no choice but to run for her life from the "Grey Men" and "The Firm".From reading her book "My Story" it seems to me it was either get out or go mad. I think she's right on when she calls her relationship with Andrew as a "marriage of souls". She claims they will never remarry, but is it so wrong to be in love with your former husband/wife?
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:02 AM
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They both(Andrew and Sarah) have made similar statements about their divorce. Sarah has said "It's nothing but a piece of paper" and Andrew told at least one publication that " We aren't only doing it just for the children"...meaning maintaining their close family unit.

They seem almost defiant the way they continue to issue family Christmas cards as if no divorce ever occurred...and also taking holidays together en famille. People who have been inside Sarah's homes say they are almost a shrine to Prince Andrew, that there are more photos of her handsome sailor prince than anyone else including her children.

I sometimes wonder as well if they were not pressured to divorce against their will, and this is the way they have decided to "get even?"
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:05 AM
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rmay286 you are so right, I don't he'll ever look at anyone like that again.
I also really love the little clip at 0:52, I don't know where or when it was. He might just have returned from a stint at sea. They look as if at that moment everything was perfect in their world.

Moonmaiden23 "giddy" is just the word. Diana and Charles just doesn't compare.
Perhaps because Diana was just 19, you kind of forget that mid 20's was also young to get married.
They looked just liked two kids. A longer engagement might have helped, to be married within a year of getting together, even today, is fast moving. I read also that Andrew was in the UK for the six months prior to the wedding during a course for navy career. Great to be able to get very involved in the wedding arrangements but it also left Sarah very unprepared for life without Andrew, when she was kinda used of seeing him every day.

ilubertie, you nailed it, really nailed it, sums them up perfectly.

Duchessmary, nothing wrong at all with still being in love. It just that sometimes love just isn't enough, but I suppose in their own way their have shared their lives.

I think the photos works both way. I think if any girlfriend of Andrew's suggested taking pictures of Fergie down they would be given short shift.

I think they had many more good times than bad.

HMMM I just wonder if she can expect a bouquet of flowers from her handsome prince on their anniversary. They mighn't let the small matter of a divorce get in their way of celebrating.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:06 PM
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One has to remember that Sarah didn't really "divorce" Andrew. She had no choice but to run for her life from the "Grey Men" and "The Firm".From reading her book "My Story" it seems to me it was either get out or go mad. I think she's right on when she calls her relationship with Andrew as a "marriage of souls". She claims they will never remarry, but is it so wrong to be in love with your former husband/wife?
She only had no choice because of the idiotic choices she made in the first place.
Don't forget she and Diana had a "pact" (Lesley Player's book, Tina Brown's book) to get out of the marriage. Diana leeked everything she could about Fergie's peccadillo's to the press using her as a canary in a coal mine to gage which way she could fleece Charles the best.
Unfortunately, Sarah still hasn't learned any of these lessons which is why I don't believe they will ever remarry. Andrew has grown up, Sarah has not.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:24 PM
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@Irish Eyes because I believe they love each other still. And they live in a different world. They don't care much about press and opinions, only now. But in ten years this scandall will be forgotten and then they can marry again. A love story like Charles and Camilla and Edward and Wallis. But different.
As you can see some people will never forget. The question is: does it matter? And will they (Sarah and Andrew) care about it?
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:26 PM
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Sarah is an embarrasment; Andrew could have done so very much better. He still can, actually.
I absolutely agree, and I wish he would. Please, some suggestions for suitable ladies.

'A Wife for Prince Andrew' is my fave thread on RF's
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:28 AM
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I honestly cannot imagine, after everything that has happened, that even if Andrew and Sarah were a couple in private, which I doubt, that they still are. She betrayed him by trying to sell him out for half a million pounds, and this is after he had been loyal to and supportive of her for years. I think the only reason he is attempting to help her and, as far as anyone knows, allowing her to still live with him is to protect his daughters; if he doesn't take on the emotional and financial burden of Sarah, they will have to.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:31 PM
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Yes, let's move away from the tiresome "Andrew is gonna remarry her 'cause he luuurrvesss her!" bit; we only have the idea from Sarah's mouth that he does. The most anyone else will commit to is that he "supports" her, and it's not as though any member of the Royal family (let alone Andrew) would take the time to refute her assertions.

I think that if he were going to marry her again, he certainly would have by now; Charles and Camilla paved the way for that.

I'd rather see this thread return to potential mates for Andrew that don't include repeating his mistakes. There is the saying 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Andew clearly remembers this past and has decided not to repeat it. Sarah, on the other hand, has selectively deleted the portions that made her such a miserable wife forced into adultery, and pants after a remarriage.

Let's freshen our outlook, open up our Gothas and an issue of The Economist; I suggest we set some criteria here.

I'll start with:

Protestant (because who needs controversy?)
Age 35-45 (otherwise it looks a bit predatory)
Not American

I'd like to see Andrew court and marry someone from perhaps Canada, New Zealand or Australia: someone college educated with some life experience in international trade or a similar background that would complement his work as the British trade ambassador.

I would especially enjoy seeing him marry someone not necessarily of 100% white heritage.

What other criteria would you think might be of benefit?

I think we are looking for a helpmate and equal to Andrew although not necessarily in rank; someone of responsible mein who has shown a history of solid decision making.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:40 PM
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I'll start with:

Protestant (because who needs controversy?)
Age 35-45 (otherwise it looks a bit predatory)
Not American

I'd like to see Andrew court and marry someone from perhaps Canada, New Zealand or Australia: someone college educated with some life experience in international trade or a similar background that would complement his work as the British trade ambassador.

I would especially enjoy seeing him marry someone not necessarily of 100% white heritage.

What other criteria would you think might be of benefit?

I think we are looking for a helpmate and equal to Andrew although not necessarily in rank; someone of responsible mein who has shown a history of solid decision making.
Why not an American? If she's well educated, from a good background, and not Catholic, what's the big deal? I think it could give the British monarchy a rise in popularity and interest if he were to marry an American.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:47 PM
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Why not an American? If she's well educated, from a good background, and not Catholic, what's the big deal? I think it could give the British monarchy a rise in popularity and interest if he were to marry an American.
Hmmm- you may be right, it's just that I think (and your mileage may vary) that there were so many references to his first wife's "American-like freshness" that there could be a recoil effect.

I'm also not sure how much of a "bump" in popularity it would give Andrew is his own country, to court and marry an American. Things are a bit frosty now between the US and the UK for a number of reasons, and I think that the UK public might be a bit put off at the idea of an American drawing from the Civil List!

I'm trying to find some criteria that keeps the options open while respecting the circumstances that Andrew is in, what with current events, the political climate, and his own background.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:57 PM
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I think that if he were going to marry her again, he certainly would have by now; Charles and Camilla paved the way for that.
I think you've hit on a very interesting tidbit here as to why Andrew has NOT remarried nor is looking to.

One of the main reasons that the Queen perhaps gave permission for Charles to marry Camilla is the fact that in the Church's eyes, he was no longer divorced but by Church standards, a widower as his former wife was deceased. In Andrew's case, to the Church he is divorced and his ex wife is very much alive. Although Charles did set a precedence in being able to marry a divorced woman, he married civilly with a blessing of the marriage by the CoE.

Adding to this.. the fact that Anne was allowed to marry as a divorcee in the Church of Scotland.. I think the reason being is in simple words. Male line descent. IF Andrew was to marry anyone, there would be a possibility of a male issue from the union.. hence in line for the throne. My grandfather was 57 when my father was born and almost 60 when my uncle was born.

With the Queen being the head of the CoE, I can't see her giving Andrew permission to marry anyone as by Church standards, his wife is very much alive although they are legally divorced. This is perhaps the main reason Andrew remains single. I really don't see where he would remarry Sarah which would propel her right back into the Firm where she herself felt like a fish out of water.

The situation they have now works well for them and I really don't see it changing at all.
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:47 PM
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I'm also not sure how much of a "bump" in popularity it would give Andrew is his own country, to court and marry an American. Things are a bit frosty now between the US and the UK for a number of reasons, and I think that the UK public might be a bit put off at the idea of an American drawing from the Civil List!

As Andrew doesn't get any money from the government through the Civil List that wouldn't be an issue.

Only the Queen and DoE get money from the Civil List. The rest of the family are supported by the Queen.

The government pays for expenses that arise from doing official duties on their behalf.

Until 1992 Andrew was on the Civil List, along with many other royals but the Queen changed things then and now reimburses any money paid as annuities to all members of the family except for herself the her husband.
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As Andrew doesn't get any money from the government through the Civil List that wouldn't be an issue.

Only the Queen and DoE get money from the Civil List. The rest of the family are supported by the Queen.

The government pays for expenses that arise from doing official duties on their behalf.

Until 1992 Andrew was on the Civil List, along with many other royals but the Queen changed things then and now reimburses any money paid as annuities to all members of the family except for herself the her husband.
Good clarification. I was thinking more along the lines of perception; Andrew is still seen as being funded by the government and Queen and that would extend to his new bride. Since his expenses are not self-funded, he is seen as being "on line for his pay."

What other criteria for a wife, or modifications to the list?
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:39 AM
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Why not an American? If she's well educated, from a good background, and not Catholic, what's the big deal? I think it could give the British monarchy a rise in popularity and interest if he were to marry an American.
That's like suggesting William and Paris Hilton as a couple.

I really don't think the BRF are in the market to "boost" their popularity with the media. They are not celebrities where they depend on the media for their rise and fall of popularity.. they are not individual personas so to speak of their own. They represent something that is far greater than that.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:56 AM
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What other criteria for a wife, or modifications to the list?
Andrew would have to be a widower?
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:36 PM
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Andrew would have to be a widower?
No, although I think that would be preferable. NOT to suggest that I am cursing his prior wife into her grave, but having her continue the dog-in-the-manger routine is so tiresome.

How about "his prior wife has been relocated and is under adult supervision?"
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These are unfair accusations against the Duchess of York. The couple will reunite in some years if not soon, they are made for each other and they love their daughters so much. Their Highnesses, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, will connect those two forever. Please, don't be so hurtful!
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She is not The Duchess of York, and never will be again.
Sarah has the best of both worlds, she doesn't have to be part of "The Firm" and yet she still gets saved by her ex mother-in-law.

IMO Beatrice and Eugenie have got used to their parents being divorced, and now they are grown up don't mind seeing them apart. They have their own love lives to lead, and don't have to repair their parents broken marriage.
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Lumutqueen, you sound like you know Their Highnesses pretty well, which I doubt. Am I right? These forums can be really hurtful sometimes, so I suggest you study your sources better next time. This is a friendly advice.
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Well considering I put at the start of my comment to do with Beatrice and Eugenie IMO, which means In My Opinion. I am not claiming to know anything about what Eugenie and Beatrice actually think, it's my opinion.

And as far as I know there have never been any "sources" to say that Beatrice and Eugenine are desperately trying to get their parents back together.
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