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Old 08-14-2016, 06:12 AM
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They are most certainly in line for the throne.

Peter is currently 13th, his children 14th and 15th, Zara 16th and Mia 17th.

In all likelihood they won't be monarchs but they are certainly in the line of succession.
Yes I would have thought it was clear that I meant they aren't very likely to ever inherit..

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Interesting, Andrew was 4th in line behind Charles, and his 4 and 2 year old nephews when made Duke. Edward was 7th behind Charles, his 17 and 15 year old nephews, Andrew and his 11 and 8 year old nieces when made earl. Proximity to throne has nothting to do with it. Zara and Peter are not working royals so there was no need. York girls, unless they are made working royals, wont either.
They are not Princes or Princesses, sons of the Monarch are usually given a title on marriage.. but not the children of a daughter..or daughters of the monarch. The York girls are princesses but they wont get titles either on marriage...

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It does work like that sometimes when people do something to merit it as in the case of Baroness Thatcher(although that was a life peerage). Her husband was made a baronet which is a hereditary title and their son has succeeded to that title. Former prime minister Harold Macmillan was made an earl by the present queen. And the actor Laurence Olivier was made a Baron although this was, as in Margaret Thatcher's case, a life peerage.
Lots of people get peerages for special reasons, such as Politicans and many artists. But they are usually now life peerages. Diana's brother In law, Robert Fellows got a life peerage a few years ago for services to the Crown. It is possible albeit unlikely that Zara or Peter P might get such a peerage but it would be for something of their own efforts, not just because they are related to the queen.
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:08 AM
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It does work like that sometimes when people do something to merit it as in the case of Baroness Thatcher(although that was a life peerage). Her husband was made a baronet which is a hereditary title and their son has succeeded to that title. Former prime minister Harold Macmillan was made an earl by the present queen. And the actor Laurence Olivier was made a Baron although this was, as in Margaret Thatcher's case, a life peerage.
They all received their peerage "granted" by The Queen but chosen by Parliament for serving their Public Office. LO was given his Uncle's Baronetcy who was governor of Jamaica (the Baronetcy became extant as Sydney Olivier only had daughters).


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Lots of people get peerages for special reasons, such as Politicans and many artists. But they are usually now life peerages. Diana's brother In law, Robert Fellows got a life peerage a few years ago for services to the Crown. It is possible albeit unlikely that Zara or Peter P might get such a peerage but it would be for something of their own efforts, not just because they are related to the queen.
Since 2010 no artist has been given a life peerage, they are primarily for politicians.

Robert Fellowes was Private Secretary to The Queen for nine years. He'd been in the royal household since 1977. He also has a significant impact on several charitable causes being company director, and a trustee of the Rhodes Trust, the Mandela Rhodes Foundation and the Winston Churchill Memorial Trust.

In all honesty Zara and Peter have done barely anything to deserve anything other than the awards they have already received. Neither of them are significant in any field to warrant anything more than an MBE/CBE/OBE.
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:14 AM
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well perhaps time to get rid of honours for politicans (bit of an oxymoron). I don't think that Z or Peter will get peerages, as I said, but I said it was possible.. and if so, they would get them on their onw merits, not because they were related to the queen... which Is what would have been the case Had Mark Philips accepted a title
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