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Old 12-08-2010, 04:28 AM
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thanx iluvbertie. yeah got that. also i'm still wondering... since they are children of the Princess Royale do commoners bow to them? or since they are just like normal citizens like you and me, is it required for them to bow to their titled cousins Wil and Harry.
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I don't think Zara and Peter bow to their cousins, seeing as there has never been a situation when that's occured.
Zara curtseyed to her grandmother when she was offered her MBE, so when William becomes King and the needs arises for a curtsey then it may happen.
As for commoners bowing, I don't think Zara and Peter would allow someone to do that, and they are so rarely known to the public they are hardly going to be noticed.
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Is it just me?
I find it hard to believe that anyone wouldn't want a title!
If nothing else, it's bound to get you a better table in restaurants.
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:04 PM
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It also gets you the attention of the worlds press. People know that Zara and Peter are grandchildren of the monarchs, they make the newspapers, they make the magazines. They still lead a priveliged life without the hassle that the titles would bring.
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It also gets you the attention of the worlds press. People know that Zara and Peter are grandchildren of the monarchs, they make the newspapers, they make the magazines. They still lead a priveliged life without the hassle that the titles would bring.

That might be the case in Britain, but other places, such as here in the States, most people wouldn't know them and they probably wouldn't be treated as V.I.P.s.
I think many Americans would regard a rather lowly title as more desirable than none, grandchildren of a reigning queen or not. JMO.
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But America doesn't have a system of aristocratic titles and the like, so it wouldn't really matter over there.
Peter Phillips before Autumn became pregnant lived in Hong Kong, which like the USA will not know who he is.
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:20 PM
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But America doesn't have a system of aristocratic titles and the like, so it wouldn't really matter over there.
Peter Phillips before Autumn became pregnant lived in Hong Kong, which like the USA will not know who he is.

There is a greater chance that the people in Hong Kong will know who Peter is as it is only 13 years since his grandmother ceased to be the Head of State of Hong Kong and many British businesses etc are still based there.
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However, QE2 is still the head of state in this country, and I could pretty much guarentee that hardly anyone will know who Zara and Peter are.
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But America doesn't have a system of aristocratic titles and the like, so it wouldn't really matter over there.

I think it would matter; look at the way the social elite here gushes over the queen and Prince Charles when they visit!

But plain Peter Phillips..not so much!


Remember the scandal a few years back when British aristocrats were selling their subsidiary titles to wealthy social-climbers? Some of the buyers were American.
So why buy a useless title? The snob effect, imo.
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But The Queen and Prince Charles visiting is very different to Lord Peter Phillips visiting, he's 11th in line for the throne.

Peter wouldn't be pleased with people "gushing" over him, seeing as it's not his personality. You put it perfectly, Peter and Zara aren't snobs and are happy to lead a normal life.
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Phillips titles

Just want to know,
1. What title did the queen offer to give Mark Phillips upon marrying the Princess Royal?
2. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will he be HRH?
3. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will Peter and Zara Phillips be HRH and be known as Prince Peter and Princess Zara?
4. Can the Queen make Peter and Zara HRH and Prince/Princess by their own right?
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:40 PM
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Just want to know,
1. What title did the queen offer to give Mark Phillips upon marrying the Princess Royal?
2. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will he be HRH?
3. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will Peter and Zara Phillips be HRH and be known as Prince Peter and Princess Zara?
4. Can the Queen make Peter and Zara HRH and Prince/Princess by their own right?

I don't know if the specific title has ever been made public or whether there was just a question - do you want a title - answer - no and that was all that was done.

If Mark had accepted a title it wouldn't have been HRH. It would have been more likely to have been an Earldom based on the precedent set with Princess Margaret's husband being made an Earl. Margaret too was the daughter of a monarch.

The only way that Peter and Zara would have become HRH Prince/Princess is if the Queen had made Mark and HRH Prince in his own right and the chance of her doing that was zilch.

The Queen can make them a Prince or Princess in their own right but why would she? They are adults and living life in a very private way so why would they want those titles now? As two of the Queen's eligible grandchildren aren't using the HRH Prince/Princess title why would she give it to two lower in the order of succession when it is clear that they are trying to reduce the numbers with it.
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Just want to know,
1. What title did the queen offer to give Mark Phillips upon marrying the Princess Royal?
2. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will he be HRH?
3. If Mark Phillips accepted the offer, will Peter and Zara Phillips be HRH and be known as Prince Peter and Princess Zara?
4. Can the Queen make Peter and Zara HRH and Prince/Princess by their own right?

1. We don't know, it was never made public.
2. Had he accepted an earldom, he would not have been styled HRH as he was not royal, just married to one. Husbands in the BRF do not take their styles and titles from their wives.
3. If he had accepted an earldom, Peter and Zara would have been The Lord Peter Philips and The Lady Zara Philips. They are not entitled to the style HRH and titular dignity of Prince/Princess of the UK because they are grandchildren of the monarch in the female line, not the male line.
4. The Queen being the fount of all honor in the UK can do whatever she likes, but seeing as how both Peter and Zara have lived 30 years now without a royal title, I doubt seriously she'd confer one on them now. It would make no sense.
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Let's just think that Peter Philips was made a HRH Prince of his own right by HM the Queen(I know it is unlikely but lets just think) will his children be princes/princesses?
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Do you think that Mark Tindall will be offered a peerage on his wedding day? I remember that HM offered Peter one on his wedding day.

Also, I am sure that if they get married while The Queen is still reigning the York girls husbands will be offered peerages and probably accept
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Let's just think that Peter Philips was made a HRH Prince of his own right by HM the Queen(I know it is unlikely but lets just think) will his children be princes/princesses?
No. Per many other wise, astute folks on these forums, the 1917 Letters Patent only gives an HRH to the eldest son of the eldest son of the heir apparent (ie - William's eldest son). All other male-line great-grandchildren of the monarch are styled as the children of a duke.

Hypothetically if the equal primogeniture bill actually were to be passed by Parliament and override the 1917 LP only on the issue of gender, it still wouldn't change the fact that Peter is not the eldest child of the heir apparent and therefore his eldest child would not be entitled to the HRH as a future monarch.

At best, Peter's children will never be styled as anything more than children of a duke/duchess (forbidding any horrible disaster that left Anne or Peter on the throne or next in line).

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Do you think that Mark Tindall will be offered a peerage on his wedding day? I remember that HM offered Peter one on his wedding day.

Also, I am sure that if they get married while The Queen is still reigning the York girls husbands will be offered peerages and probably accept
Honestly, I don't think that Mike Tindall will be offered a peerage on his wedding day. I could be wrong though. Perhaps a year or two in the future, if he leads England to the Rugby World Cup title or she wins an Olympic gold medal, then HM would offer a peerage as a recognition not only of their athletic achievements but also of Zara's status as her granddaughter.

The York girls... The last male-line granddaughter of the monarch to marry was Princess Alexandra and her husband did turn down a peerage offered. I honestly have no idea if the York girls or their parents would have enough PR sense to turn an offer down.
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There is a greater chance that the people in Hong Kong will know who Peter is as it is only 13 years since his grandmother ceased to be the Head of State of Hong Kong and many British businesses etc are still based there.
Also Peter's wife had to know who he is when they met. (she is Canadian)
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Also Peter's wife had to know who he is when they met. (she is Canadian)
That doesn't mean she knew who he was, Anne didn't exactly make Peter and Zara 'known' when they were born.
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Also Peter's wife had to know who he is when they met. (she is Canadian)

There is a lot of evidence - from the horse's mouth in fact - that she didn't know who he was until she had been on a couple of dates. She saw a picture of him with the Queen or something and said something along the lines of 'that looks like Peter' and her family didn't believe her and then she showed them a photo of her Peter and they realised that her Peter was the Queen's grandson Peter.
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I believe she saw Peter standing next to a picture of William in the paper or a special on William,and she said That looks like Peter. And then she went on the internet and saw who he was. Her mother is famously to have replied, "Oh Autumn...what have you done?" I took that as an inference life will not be the same dating a member of the BRF. Even though Peter does lead a rather low key life in comparison to his cousins and even his sister.

I doubt that the Queen will create a title for Mike and I don't believe the rumous that she offered one to Peter. They have thes best of both worlds ----being members of the extended royal family without technically being royals.
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