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Old 08-07-2007, 10:37 AM
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Most of the clothes that the Princess dresses in her acts are of Felipe Varela. They meet at the beginning of each season and the Princess chooses suits. The designer does and he sents them.
Letizia should try other spanish designers as well, why monopolising Varela? Because she trusts him? I'd be gutted if I was in the position of all other spanish designers who should at least be given a chance. It's not only about Letizia's personal preferences but also about advertising for the country.

And I will never get why she gave in without any resistance and stopped wearing foreign designers just because the media did not like her Armani suit? That's ridiculous. Look at other CP's (Maxima married in a Valentino dress !!!) or even at the same family, Queen Sofia or Elena, a great dresser, most of the time in foreign designs.

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Surely Letizia follows the same technique of the Queen, each dress have its corresponding cover, indicating the model and the occasions in which it has dressed.
Nothing wrong with repeating but sometimes I thought she has lost track of when she wore what and when, probably the result of managing her wardrobe on her own, because she repeated some dresses within five days or so, very weird.

In the future when juggling job and daughters and marriage she will even have less time to take care of appearance issues, maybe time to find a creative solution if staff is reduced at Zarzuela - what about hiring a nanny with a diploma in design who used to job as a hairdresser
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:45 AM
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Exact, Spain is Spain.

The Princess Letizia is a secondary actress in this movie, but it is that she does not have to be the protagonist.

It seems to me to be ridiculous and absurd, to say that a Princess does not work because instead of coming to acts in solitarily, she comes to acts with her husband. On the contrary she comes to many more acts that other Princesses who do acts in solitarily. She takes part actively in the meetings and the visits ... but she is not the only protagonist. The Royal House decided that the Princes should begin for be announcing together and that with the time the Princess should realize acts in solitarily. It is a different way of doing the things, but does not take the obligation to do it as the rest of Royal Houses. The program that they had foreseen for the Princess altered for a bad pregnancy and for the tragic death of a sister. Now, the things will return to the normality and the Princess will continue accompanying the Prince and will be increasing of progressive form her acts in solitarily.

I do not believe that the Princess feels more realized for realizing acts in solitarily ... I believe that for her interests enjoys accompanying the Prince on acts on that difficultly she might come in solitarily.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:49 AM
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I think Letizia (and Sofia) are greatly respected in Spain for their simplicity and frugality. When necessary, at international occasions she knows how to dress beautifully, like at the wedding of Fred & Mary
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:59 AM
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Duke, the Queen Sofia has dressed the same green suit two times in the same week. She also has her designer who does to her great part of her wardrobe. Not if it is a custom in Zarzuela, they do it for comfort, for safety, for confidence... And on the international designers, I believe that in the official activity she has forgotten them, for her good ... because already we know that what suits for the rest of the women of the family, does not serve for her.

Already you know the Princes is criticize even for sneezing ... it is the great business, her photo in swimsuit has done that someone earns 300.000 Euros.

On another topic. In Spain the debate exists for a lot of time of if the Prince should have an own office different from that of his father. For the present time the Princes have a very limited team, which finally depends always on the House of the King. Other one of the problems, is that the persons who occupy many of the charges are military and men. The Princes have little freedom of action.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:09 AM
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Ricarda, since I am sorry to say to you that in Spain it is like that. There is no a person who charges for buying and for choosing that the Queen and the Princess are going to dress. That in other Royal Houses exists, but in Spain not. Or they move to the workshop or take it to Palace. But there is no a person who devotes herself exclusively to it. They have their confidence designers, who advise them ... but not a person paid for it.

In all the Royal Houses there are "lady in waiting" and in Spain not.

The Princess goes to the workshop of Felipe Varela or of Lorenzo Caprile, and she entrusts the suits. They do them to her and they are sent with the complements. Later in her house she has a maiden who will help her to organize everything.
Do you know the backround of this "maiden"? It obious that she has someone who helps her iron, washand dry clean her clothes, and thus helps her oragnaize her wardrobe/closet, or are we going to belive that LEtizia stands and irons her Shiny satin suits every night? Maybe the maid has some sort of backround in fashion? How can we know unless we know who she/he is?

a Lady in waiting has nothing to do with fashion, it is more like a secretary or and adivosor for the official activity, call it whatever you want but Im sure Felipe and LEtizia have secretaries and adivosors, so they are no different than the other royals, they just give them another name. there are many other royal women who do not hava "lady in waiting" but they do have some sort of other staff of course who fills this role
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:32 AM
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Duke, the Queen Sofia has dressed the same green suit two times in the same week.
I recall that still weird keeping in mind the variety in her wardrobe.

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Already you know the Princes is criticize even for sneezing ... it is the great business, her photo in swimsuit has done that someone earns 300.000 Euros.
What a sick world we live in. Who wants to see Letizia in a swimsuit? I certainly don't. But it will be not only a great story but also a great follow up story because it will start the new discussion Is she too skinny or isn't she?
Same thing with going after a pic where they kiss. What's so special about that? People already know they do as they have two beautiful daughters. What an astonishing moment when it will finally be proven on picture. The lucky paparazzo will be able to stop working for at least a year
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On another topic. In Spain the debate exists for a lot of time of if the Prince should have an own office different from that of his father. For the present time the Princes have a very limited team, which finally depends always on the House of the King. Other one of the problems, is that the persons who occupy many of the charges are military and men. The Princes have little freedom of action.
That's an interesting discussion lula. I may critizise that they have little freedom of action but I am not sure if an own office or spokesperson is the solution. In the UK you can see that such a separation can bring along problems - Prince Charles has his own office and media people and it does happen that Clarence House reacts in a way or gives comments that might not represent the opinon of HM The Queen. In the consequence situations can occur where "the monarchy" is not shown as a unity, not being represented by one voice. It might be easier to get away with little disharmonies in Britain but in Spain in could be fatal. Prince Charles' case is a little more difficult as Felipes', given his age, they are both CPs but almost 20 years apart. At some point of his life Felipe might get tired of waiting for years and years, wanting his own staff etc. and confront his father and the old system, as Charles finally did. But I doubt this will ever happen as the Spanish monarchy is far from being as established as the British monarchy.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:41 AM
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I have said that the Princess buys her clothes and chooses what dresses ... not that she washes and irons her clothes ... this it is not the work of a stylist either. Normally the maidens, will devote themselves to wash, to iron, to order, and these things ... I do not believe that maidens have specialists in fashion. The Queen also has her maidens and the Prince and the King his butlers.

I know perfectly that a "lady in waiting" is not a specialist in fashion, but she is normally a woman of the aristocracy that if she can advise and to help. I do not believe that a military man since he is the secretary of the Queen, or the assistants of the Princes, be neither very good fashionable counselors, nor that could help very much in feminine questions.


There are known very little the persons who are employed at the Zarzuela, there are known the high charges of the House of the King. And the press that goes many years in Zarzuela, it knows the persons who occupy the most important charges in the service of the house, but the people in general neither identifies them nor knows those who are.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:03 PM
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Duke, is an interesting debate.

In Spain there exists the Chief of the House of the King, and on him they depend the Secretariat of the Queen and that of the Prince. This way there is kept a line of action, which prevents there from being differences between some and others and the problems on that you comment.

But on the other hand, they are two different generations, with different occupations and different ways of seeing the things ... and often the things do not work equally for some and for others.

In the Spanish Royal Household, they like the calm changes. The Prince has a secretary for year, a serious and very discreet man, and some persons more. Before the summer, a new military man, who before was employed at another department of the House of the King has passed to form a part of his team. Little by little this team is increasing.
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The women members of the SRF do not have a stylist (i.e. Rachel Zoe for the celebs or Anja for Mary) who plans and picks what they're going to wear to what event. Each of them work closely with the designer. Letizia meets with Varela at the beginning of each season for her wardrobe for that particular season, and she meets with Caprile for her gala dresses. Of course they do get household help with ironing, washing, so on so forth. I think the difference from then and now is that before Letizia used to wear a variety of other designers like Miriam Ocariz, Miguel Palacios, Armani, Adolfo Dominguez to name a few that's why we see different designs, and now she only works with Felipe Varela. It could be that they've become the best of friends (just like other famous people with their designer or hairdresser, i.e. Rosario Nadal/Valentino or Jessica Simpson/Ken Paves) that she's loyal to him. Also, it could be that the King gives her a tight shopping budget that she has to stick to (maybe Varela is cheap or he gives her a discount?), therefore we see her repeat her clothes. Everything she does, says, decides or not is controlled by Zarzuela, so I don't really know. For me what's important is she goes to an event dressed appropriately, though I'm still wishful thinking that she would also branch out to other designers.
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In general, she goes to all the official events well dressed enough. I like how she dresses.

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Old 08-08-2007, 06:37 AM
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and now she only works with Felipe Varela. It could be that they've become the best of friends that she's loyal to him. Also, it could be that the King gives her a tight shopping budget that she has to stick to (maybe Varela is cheap or he gives her a discount?), therefore we see her repeat her clothes. Everything she does, says, decides or not is controlled by Zarzuela, so I don't really know.
Poor woman. What a journey from an independent career woman to what is left of her now, being treated like a child.

Not only that Varela's clothes are cheap, they look cheap as well. And as mentioned earlier, Letizia being more or less an accessoire she used to fill out that position in public very well in the past years, being nicely dressed and styled. Now not even been nicely dressed and styled and looking exhausted to boot I wonder what people will now think about her role?

I expect more from a princess than wearing clothes almost any other woman in Spain can afford and having a hairdo that can be done by any hairdresser around the corner. At least in Letizia's case as she does not have a profile of her own in terms of her work - Spain is Spain, but nevertheless - and her looks are even more important to make a good impression. What else is left? Being a good mother? Hardly enough for a Princess of Asturias and a future Queen of Spain.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:49 AM
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I just think that she always looked amazing when she was a journalist, and in the first year of marriage, even the second one. Groomed, Natural, Elegant, and well, beautiful, as she is. And she was thin, but it looked amazing! Now it looks much more unattaactrive than attractive. I don't want to get into her weight, because there are at least 100 pages on this forums about Letizia's weight, it is just how I fell!
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It is strange, to my I neither am upset with them I nor surprise the black stockings ... maybe because this winter I have seen them every day in many women ... like now I see the "leggins" ... it is fashion. You can like or not, but there is no doubt that it is fashion. When she goes classic because she goes classic, when she follows the fashion ... because she follows it.
Same here, lula.

This trend has been everywhere recently so it's hardly a surprise if the CP chooses to follow it. Moreover in some occasions it doesn't look that bad.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:53 AM
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Duke, you return to commit the mistake of seeing the things with a look that do not see the Spanish. For us the reference is the Queen Sofia, a woman that exempting some pieces of her wardrobe (some Escada's suit or some gala dress of Valentino's), to diary takes suits of a designer called Margarita Nuez, who is not specially known or famous. The Queen buys some pieces of international designers but most of her wardrobe belongs to Margarita Nuez. She repeats again and again classic suits in different colors. In Spain nobody hopes either that the Princess takes hat.

I do not believe that the clothes of Felipe Varela seem to be cheap, it is a Pret to Porter realized with good fabrics. Evidently it is not High Couture, but I do not believe either that the Princess has a budget to be able to take every day High Couture.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:55 AM
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As for meetings with designers, it's common practice among Royals.

For example the Saudi RF is well-known for arranging meetings at home with the designers. They'll bring a selection of clothes and the princesses may choose what they like out of it. I suspect the Jordanian and Morocca families have a similar strategy.

If the Spanish RF has a similar procedure I really don't see what the problem is....
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Exact Little. Petro Valverde, the designer who realized the wedding dress of the Infanta Elena, travels several times a year to make dresses for members of the Jordanian Royal Family, as the mother of the King or the Princea Alia.
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Poor woman. What a journey from an independent career woman to what is left of her now, being treated like a child.
I would guess she wouldve seen it coming, from her engagment day and onwards. especially when she got criticized over the white engagment suit. That wouldve said everything.

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Not only that Varela's clothes are cheap, they look cheap as well. And as mentioned earlier, Letizia being more or less an accessoire she used to fill out that position in public very well in the past years, being nicely dressed and styled. Now not even been nicely dressed and styled and looking exhausted to boot I wonder what people will now think about her role?
I agree most of his suits are cheap & boring. I honestly expected Letizia to be a more confident lady in public when it came to outfit choices. I mean if the media are going to criticize her over a suit, is she going to let them win? I think she already did. I thought she;s be more of a fun person, leave behind your career wardrobe & dress like a princess's. Nice dresses, color & a few accesorizes here & there...Im not saying she needs a huge budget, but it can be done.

I also expected from Letizia to do more on her own, head a few of her own patronage, attened a few things that involve charity etc. all those could be done on her own. she might be happier with Felipe but she is the future queen of Spain & when that role comes, she cant have Felipe by her side...
I also think Felipe doesnt support her or push's her much to have her own things, imo.
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Duke, you return to commit the mistake of seeing the things with a look that do not see the Spanish.
I am aware, Spain is Spain

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For us the reference is the Queen Sofia, a woman that exempting some pieces of her wardrobe (some Escada's suit or some gala dress of Valentino's), to diary takes suits of a designer called Margarita Nuez, who is not specially known or famous. The Queen buys some pieces of international designers but most of her wardrobe belongs to Margarita Nuez. She repeats again and again classic suits in different colors. In Spain nobody hopes either that the Princess takes hat.
I am fine with that as my overall opinion is that Sofia is a good dresser. One may like her hairdo or not (same over a few decades - similar to Queen Beatrix who never changes hers ) but I give respect as I can't recall a bad hair day of Queen Sofia. But I see a huge difference to Letizia and therefore I don't like that she follows the example to the Queen too much: age & media focus. Letizia is 25 years junior to Sofia, so her wardrobe should look very different to Sofia's. She is a young woman after all but dresses - with help of Varela - as a mid fourties woman, not smart, just very ordinary. Same with her hair, ignoring all options she'd had.

Sofia might have been lucky that she spent many years without the impact of today's media surveillance and lack of respect - of course there was media coverage but by far not as intrusive as today. I don't say it's a good thing that today everything is superficial and all about looks but on the other hand it's a fact that Letizia is mainly judged on her looks and somehow she has to respond to that, as a look at her peers reveals.
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I do not understand your sense of the fashion ... ordinary?... I do not believe it. Of bad quality ... neither... The Princess follows a style of classic suits of jacket for her official activity.

For my last year, it is not very assessable, not like it will be in other countries, but in Spain it is really difficult to find clothes of pregnancy that it is not of sport, and the Princess was taking the style of clothes that was removing that winter, dresses and dark stockings.

A Princess must have a correct image, is not a model not even an icon of the fashion. The important thing is the act to the one that comes and not the suit that dress. In it she has to look like the Queen.
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I also expected from Letizia to do more on her own, head a few of her own patronage, attened a few things that involve charity etc. all those could be done on her own. she might be happier with Felipe but she is the future queen of Spain & when that role comes, she cant have Felipe by her side...
I also think Felipe doesnt support her or push's her much to have her own things, imo.
You have to remember that she or he or they don't have the last word. I've already said above that her role (ie image, agenda, etc) is defined and controlled by the gray-men of Zarzuela and the King. Of course Felipe supports her and could push her to do her own thing, but if their "bosses" say no then what could they do?
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