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Old 03-07-2007, 07:09 PM
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I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

It's very elliptical, what do you want to say ? It will be great to have more informations to appreciate better your taught because like that we can debate nothing about your purposes.

One question: in what it's bad/or not quiet well to be "obsess by his wife and do all for her or thinking of her?

May be, by your answer we shall understand what you means.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:46 PM
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Where is that write down?, that's not true at all, one simple ex. the Kings along with Felipe and Miss Eva Sanum went together to the wedding of Hakoon and M Maritte and before that they went together to multiple royal events. Felipe was a Prince then and is a Prince now, her marriage hasn't change his status, any law, not the constitution, if any they don't travel on the same plane for security reasons but they can travel abroad together whenever they pleased to gathering, baptisms, weddings, vacations, whatever they want, is not and have never being a Presisent/VicePresident case.
There are certain things known as protocols or conventions, they may not be written down but they are strictly adhered to. English law is littered with them.

The whole issue of Felipe and the King not being abroad at the same time probably falls into an equivalent Spanish category.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:49 PM
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Moreover, so far as the lack of photos of Leonor is concerned she's not a show-dog to be oohed and aahed at. If her parents don't want her to be photographed excessively that's their prerogative. After all, she's inevtiably going to be photographed a great deal when she is older because of her status as future Queen.

Why not allow her some privacy in her childhood?
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Old 03-10-2007, 09:06 PM
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Moreover, so far as the lack of photos of Leonor is concerned she's not a show-dog to be oohed and aahed at. If her parents don't want her to be photographed excessively that's their prerogative. After all, she's inevtiably going to be photographed a great deal when she is older because of her status as future Queen.

Why not allow her some privacy in her childhood?

Thanks a lot for your very sensitive words!
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Old 03-11-2007, 05:46 AM
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I agree too. It's sure we are curious to see her again and see how she is growing up BUT magazines have been so incorrect with her (her nose, her foot and so and so ) that I understand totally the Princes want to keep her away from these press as they can. She is just a baby and they must be very careful with her.
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Old 03-11-2007, 07:43 AM
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I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

what do you mean by that? obsession? if you mean how Felipe is so close to his wife especially after the first few days of the death of Erika, c'mon you gotta be serious!!! every husband has to take care of their wives esp. the case of Letizia being pregnant? and even if Erika didn't die, Felipe will always be protective of her wife.. they are bound to take care of each other!!
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Old 03-11-2007, 07:46 AM
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I agree too. It's sure we are curious to see her again and see how she is growing up BUT magazines have been so incorrect with her (her nose, her foot and so and so ) that I understand totally the Princes want to keep her away from these press as they can. She is just a baby and they must be very careful with her.
I completely agree with u.. when she grows up the whole media will be crazy about her.. so for the meantime let's just be patient on when her parents would like to show their daughter to the media and i'm pretty sure we'll see her again in no time..
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Old 03-25-2007, 12:07 AM
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Regarding the issue of Felipe lacking somehow spontaneity that not giving a good impression or idea of how good a king he could be, that was discussed a couple of pages behind, I believe that it is true that he somehow looks in fact lacking that spontaneity. That said IMO, that doesn't mean he lacks personality.

When you actually are in that situation you either have spontaneity and do your thing, which quite likely will attract some critics at least, or try to be moderate in your comments and words, which will give you that image.

I don't really worry about the lack of spontaneity as a sign of his future work. I much prefer to see how he acts and what he does. I have the same opinion about politicians, too much spontaneity in politicians has proven to provide wonderful examples of bad politicians through history, so I think it's the same in the case of monarchies.

The issue about not being permitted to have an opinion, doesn't mean they cannot have an opinion. And in reality if you examine things closely you will realise that the monarchy is a political institution and I no doubt, they defend that political institution. So they surely have a political opinion, although it's in defence of the institution and not the defence of a political party in particular. That part in the Constitution only refers to the fact that they cannot support, at least in public, one political group above any other one.

In reality, the King is known to have acted as some kind of moderator or referee between the different political groups in the past, and it's kinda accepted that more or less that it's the most practical use for the monarchy. So most of the work they do, and that prince Felipe will do in the future, would be of the kind of being a referee and giving some continuity to the political life in Spain not only before the people of Spain, but also before other countries. What I mean is that, over the years, you might have different politicians as presidents and also different political parties that would rule a country, but you will only, hopefully, have one king over a number of decades. So it's easier to establish a point of reference for the people, and also it makes easier when there's a change of government to deal with foreign countries.

So, most of the job, it's going to be private and not very public, and you are going to judge their jobs only by the results obtained.

Also the monarchy acting as a point of reference for the people of a country, can give a good example regarding certain issues, and make more public and acceptable certain issues. It comes to my mind the images of Diana holding HIV babies, that actually have the good effect of making that disease less dangerous in the eyes of the public and also more acceptable. So it's always good seeing them supporting certain charities and opinions regarding certain issues. They are surely going to get some criticism for it, but you cannot please everyone. And definitely the monarchy today is not just plain protocol and being in a palace, so their work and activities should reflect the change of times. And seeing a theme, or certain line of action in the kind of issues they support, will give them a personality. (not sure if I'm expressing myself very well in this point). So that can easily compensate for any lack of spontaneity.

Regarding to the discussion of the isolation of Felipe from other Royals, there is quite a lot debate in the Spanish forums and I will abstain myself of talking about it until I see what happens in July. I hope they will be going to Norway this time, as I hope they will be seen in more acts with other royals soon. If they continue not going to acts with other Royals it's definitely going to be something the people is going to be talking.
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Old 04-04-2007, 01:28 PM
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I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathy between them and the media IMO.
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Old 04-04-2007, 02:12 PM
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I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathybetween them and the media IMO.

I understand what you try to explain to us but I´m not agree with you bioquinhas,the reality is very different.
I think that the most important is that they work, and work much!
The princes of Asturias go outside of the Palace usually and after the birth of their second daughter the princes will have many projects like several trips to the foreigner.

Bioquinhas, I respect your opinion but I think you are very repetitive and you are mistaken.

AND NOW....I am going to continue enjoying with the precious photos of this adorable family in the zoo
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Old 04-04-2007, 03:43 PM
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Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.

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I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathy between them and the media IMO.
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Old 04-04-2007, 03:45 PM
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I think the SRF tries to protect the princes. While King JC and the Queen are highly respected there's a lack of sympathy between the Princes of Asturias and the media, they are always talking about the lack of spontaneity of Felipe or the eating disorders of Letizia or even about Leonor's health. I think it is a pity.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:12 PM
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Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.
My thoughs exactly ldt20 !
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:28 PM
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Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially for Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.
Yes idt20, may be we can remember the visites of the four suburbs of Madrid done by the Princes in May en June 2006 in Logrones, Alcala de henares, Mostoles and one other - I forget the name now but it's very easy to find it-

It was not a simple passing trough the town, it was a visit for one day of all the Institutions, organistions, education pools, and economic activities in each field existing in the area.

It was the first time that the Princes did that near Madrid because generally He had/has to encounter a Spanish Region recognized by the Constitution, but never he spent a day long in a suburb of Madrid to go at the encounter of all the citizens, organisations and so on.

Some well informed newspaper had told that it was an suggestion of the Princess of Asturias to make this visit in-depth.

But, without the Princess 's case this year according to her UNCONFORTABLE pregnancy - not more - who sometimes had some difficulties to travel inside Spain, you can't said that the Prince don't go outside the Zarzuela for his work. If, by impossible, you could think that, please go and check the Felipe's agenda and you could see how his meetings/hearrings/conferences/visiting are linked with the economic world and outside his golden forteress

Plus, if you reed a little the newspapers - other than the tabloids- you can observe that the rising of this activities is appreciate by the concerned interlocutors.

May be, it's because the Princes of Asturias are discret and prudent,-qualities recognized by quiet all the people- that you think they stay at home and received at the Zarzual only in hearrings some privileged associations!!!
If it's because that, it's a true catastroph, it's mean that the Princes are very very too discretand prudent in their outside activities

In definitive, quiet all the threads about the Princes of Asturias are totally surrealistic, sometimes it's very, very funny. Happily for the debat some of the participants of this threads have a lot of imagination


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Old 04-04-2007, 05:26 PM
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My opinion about Felipe & Letizia??

Well.. I think they just rock :punk:

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Old 04-04-2007, 10:01 PM
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They are a loving couple who are supportive of each other and the rest of the Royal Family. As months go by Letizia will be seen on her own at official functions more and more just like her sisters/brothers-in-law.

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Old 04-05-2007, 01:00 PM
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They are a loving couple who are supportive of each other and the rest of the Royal Family. As months go by Letizia will be seen on her own at official functions more and more just like her sisters/brothers-in-law.

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I agree. we'll just have to wait after she delivers her second child. remember that when she's not pregnant, we can see her almost everyday doing royal duties, attending functions, visiting countries so it's just natural if she slows down for a while. I'm pretty sure she'll have so much work after her second pregnancy!
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I think the SRF tries to protect the princes. While King JC and the Queen are highly respected there's a lack of sympathy between the Princes of Asturias and the media, they are always talking about the lack of spontaneity of Felipe or the eating disorders of Letizia or even about Leonor's health. I think it is a pity.
The talks on Letizia's eating disorders (their sources were foreign tabloids, mostly German yellow press) and Leonor's health were mostly on the very yellow tabloid shows (pink press programs). Even so, the talk about Felipe's lack of spontaneity was rare. Felipe might not have his father's charisma as some insist, then who does ? (or Maybe Leonor will have since she already knew to send her little kiss to the photographers ). Also charisma is very subjective. When the King first ascended to the throne, nobody thought he had charisma. Then the military coup, he became the hero of Spain, everyone started to talk about his charisma until today. What is there to measure charisma ? I can only say that Felipe has always had some star power since he is one of the few male royals out there who is able to draw a huge crowd on his own.
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Felipe is very good-looking, but doesn't have the charisma his father has, JC is something else
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I think that Felipe is going to be a good King
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