Your Opinions About Felipe and Letizia

[catango]

Let me tell you, that I have heard journalist and serious ones, saying this, so I'm sure about what I'm telling you.

 

[RaniaRocks]

Of course jornalists are reliable when is convenient to make our point but I won't argue about this anymore, despite the fact that this is not a law, there's any reason for not to send Felipe and Letizia to the royal gatherings?.

Is the Royal House playing safe?, the Kings are old and tired and the Infantas are important but have less royal rank and more kids, seems to me that Sofia and Juan Carlos will be more than happy to spend more time at home.

 

[lula]

Of course jornalists are reliable when is convenient to make our point but I won't argue about this anymore, despite the fact that this is not a law, there's any reason for not to send Felipe and Letizia to the royal gatherings?.

Is the Royal House playing safe?, the Kings are old and tired and the Infantas are important but have less royal rank and more kids, seems to me that Sofia and Juan Carlos will be more than happy to spend more time at home.

Then it seems that you know them very little, if you saw the agenda of the Kings you would see that they do not stop, and they decide where they go and where not. If the Kings go to an act they are the maximum representation of the family ... that need exists of that the Princes go also? ... so none. It seems to me to be absurd, they are maximums representanción, so it is more important that they go to them to that send others.

There are no strict rules on which both could not be out of the country, but if they are in the habit of being careful with the topic ... it can coincide that in some official activity both stay away one day, but it is not the habitual thing. In the last years it is very strange that go to an act of this type together, exempting the weddings of the Greek cousins and because they are very direct family. Even inside Spain the fingers of the hands can tell the acts to which come together .. exempting the important acts of State, it is very strange ... and already they don´t do together a trip of State or official, I believe that since the Prince at the age of 18 did his first official trip to Colombia, he has not traveled with dad and mom.

Other two things, the Royal Spanish House only celebrates in an official way weddings and funeral ... therefore for them the birthdays or the anniversaries of wedding (the anniversaries of reign are different because they have more relation with the figure of Chief of State), are deprived (with the exception of the Onomástica of the King and that is celebrated an act that every year is simpler). And it also there is that respect, they are different to form of valuing the things. This also implies that they do not have obligation to return any visit to acts of this type, because they do not celebrate them. These acts it likes to see the Spanish in the Hola and in other one countries, in Spain at this point it would turn out to be to us a bit ridiculous.

I have the impression, about which they have decided dividise for age, and the Kings will come if it is possible to the celebrations of the Kings who belong to their generation; and the Princes will do it to them of those who belong already to the following one like it happened in Luxembourg.

On the other hand I believe that she has been Donna who has mentioned Hashem's wedding, the Princes went to the celebrations before this wedding, which they were deprived ... I am not thinking about having read anything on the assistance of other members of royal European families.For historical and geographical circumstances, Spain has a very important relation with the Arabic monarchies, relation that is not equal of narrow for other European monarchies. The King Juan Carlos travelled to the funeral of the King Fahd and the Prince also has travelled to funeral others. Neither it is necessary to think only about the acts of the European Monarchies.

 

[donnaK]

Is the Royal House playing safe?, the Kings are old and tired and the Infantas are important but have less royal rank and more kids, seems to me that Sofia and Juan Carlos will be more than happy to spend more time at home.

Perhaps the Kings did want to go to the birthday celebration of Carl Gustaf or Harald. They are actually the colleagues of the Kings'. The next birthday celebration will be in another 10 years and the Kings are also approaching 70. Nobody can predict the health condition of the people in their 60s or 70s the next 10 years although these days people tend to live longer.

 

[Larzen]

It is not correct:

Don Felipe and its fiance'e had supper in Segovia with the military of their promotion Segovia.

18-4-2004 09:56: 07
Baptism of Ingrid Alexandra: 17-4-2004.

Well it is not the same date, and Ingrid christening was finnished at noon so he could be back in Spain the same day, if he had wanted to attend he could.

 

[carlota]

i also agree that it's a real shame they didn't attend to any complete celebrations of any royal gatherings. no sweden, no norway, just the gala in luxembourg, which we didn't see more than one photo. as we mentioned, they didn't attend ingrid's christening because of their inminent wedding either. it's a real shame. i would have no objections if they had an agenda to follow in spain (although it can easily be solved by the protocol staff, as dates for these kind of big celebrations are given to other royal houses way in advance), but they don't. would have been nice to see them last weekend in norway walking with the others and socialising.

let's keep figers crossed for queen sonja's celebrations in norway this year...

 

[adelaide]

The Spanish monarchy is restored, has customs different from those from other European monarchies, is more austere, they do not make celebrations and they participate little in those of the others. The princes follow the customs of the Kings of Spain, in Spain would not see themselves well that the princes took a walk by all the celebrations of the European royalty, in addition, some of those celebrations agreed with official activities that could not change of date. In Spain it is not problem, our princes do what they must, work for the country and they alternate themselves with the rest of the Royal Family to participate in the celebrations of the royalty, at the moment, have gone to the wedding of Denmark, another one in Jordan and the celebration of Luxemburo, sufficient. On the contrary one would criticize them by frivolous and wasteful.

It's bad for the magazines and the royal-watchers, what's the problem for the Spaniards? none.

Sorry for mi translation, I don't have a good translator and mi Inglish is poor.

Your english is perfectly understable ( even for non english people ) and your aguments are totally relevant, but it's very strange nonbody of those who to haunt that the princes are answering to your pertinent remarks....For me this single fact is the proof of it's neither more of less that this topic is only an accusation on basis of assumptions but no facts doing by people who don't know very well the habits of the Royal family for this private events.

For the Princes of Asturias attempt at a princely wedding don't forget thes of a son of Noor of Jordania in april 2006 just before the Eastern mass in Palma and the "reapparition" official of Leonor after her christianing.


This discussion is absolutly comic because it's quite foreign people who overdoes it!

 

[biboquinhas]

I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

 

[mapian]

Well it is not the same date, and Ingrid christening was finnished at noon so he could be back in Spain the same day, if he had wanted to attend he could.

A precision:
18-4-2004 it was the date of publication of the news in the newspaper, the date of the supper was 17-4-2004, the same date that the baptism. It is not possible to be gone from Norway to Spain in minutes, less if they travel in regular line, who are as our princes travel when they move to a private celebration.

Carlota
would have been nice to see them last weekend in norway walking with the others and socialising

I think that the Spaniards would not be understood that the princes of Asturias went to a celebration in Norway 10 days after the death of Érica, in addition, the princess is pregnant of 7 months and very watched after her loss, from that day she does not travel outside Madrid, already will have other occasions to socialize, our princes are both very sociable and charming, they do not have problems to be related.

Carlota
i would have no objections if they had an agenda to follow in spain (although it can easily be solved by the protocol staff, as dates for these kind of big celebrations are given to other royal houses way in advance), but they don't

Well, these celebrations are private, the work of the princes for Spain is official and high-priority.

Can be changed the date of a taking of possession of a foreign president, or a ceremony in a University? the agenda of the princes does not consist of taking the tea with the friends, are serious commitments with people and institutions that cannot be changed to go to a private celebration.

In the SRF, if the king goes to a celebration like these, the prince does not do (is a custom, not a rule), they are an exception, the celebrations of direct relatives. It is decision of the Kings who goes and who does not go, it is not decision of the princes.

 

[mapian]

I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

I don't think so, he does not neglect his obligations, on the contrary, from his wedding he has more public activities, he enjoys more making them and he does better.

In Spain we know that he's related to his friends, with those of his wife and with their family. Paparazzi does not catch them because they are very discreet and is difficult to watch them.

On the other hand, it's logical that after the death of the sister of the princess, and about his pregnancy, the prince is worried about his wife and tries to be all along possible near her, what good husband would not do it?

 

[adelaide]

I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

It's very elliptical, what do you want to say ? It will be great to have more informations to appreciate better your taught because like that we can debate nothing about your purposes.

One question: in what it's bad/or not quiet well to be "obsess by his wife and do all for her or thinking of her?

May be, by your answer we shall understand what you means.

 

[Little_star]

Where is that write down?, that's not true at all, one simple ex. the Kings along with Felipe and Miss Eva Sanum went together to the wedding of Hakoon and M Maritte and before that they went together to multiple royal events. Felipe was a Prince then and is a Prince now, her marriage hasn't change his status, any law, not the constitution, if any they don't travel on the same plane for security reasons but they can travel abroad together whenever they pleased to gathering, baptisms, weddings, vacations, whatever they want, is not and have never being a Presisent/VicePresident case.

There are certain things known as protocols or conventions, they may not be written down but they are strictly adhered to. English law is littered with them.

The whole issue of Felipe and the King not being abroad at the same time probably falls into an equivalent Spanish category.

 

[Little_star]

Moreover, so far as the lack of photos of Leonor is concerned she's not a show-dog to be oohed and aahed at. If her parents don't want her to be photographed excessively that's their prerogative. After all, she's inevtiably going to be photographed a great deal when she is older because of her status as future Queen.

Why not allow her some privacy in her childhood?

 

[adelaide]

Moreover, so far as the lack of photos of Leonor is concerned she's not a show-dog to be oohed and aahed at. If her parents don't want her to be photographed excessively that's their prerogative. After all, she's inevtiably going to be photographed a great deal when she is older because of her status as future Queen.

Why not allow her some privacy in her childhood?

Thanks a lot for your very sensitive words!

 

[zaza61]

I agree too. It's sure we are curious to see her again and see how she is growing up BUT magazines have been so incorrect with her (her nose, her foot and so and so ) that I understand totally the Princes want to keep her away from these press as they can. She is just a baby and they must be very careful with her.

 

[madeleine victoria]

I also think that Filipe is to obsess by his wife and everything he does he only think of her!

what do you mean by that? obsession? if you mean how Felipe is so close to his wife especially after the first few days of the death of Erika, c'mon you gotta be serious!!! every husband has to take care of their wives esp. the case of Letizia being pregnant? and even if Erika didn't die, Felipe will always be protective of her wife.. they are bound to take care of each other!!

 

[madeleine victoria]

I agree too. It's sure we are curious to see her again and see how she is growing up BUT magazines have been so incorrect with her (her nose, her foot and so and so ) that I understand totally the Princes want to keep her away from these press as they can. She is just a baby and they must be very careful with her.

I completely agree with u.. when she grows up the whole media will be crazy about her.. so for the meantime let's just be patient on when her parents would like to show their daughter to the media and i'm pretty sure we'll see her again in no time..

 

[olga7777]

Regarding the issue of Felipe lacking somehow spontaneity that not giving a good impression or idea of how good a king he could be, that was discussed a couple of pages behind, I believe that it is true that he somehow looks in fact lacking that spontaneity. That said IMO, that doesn't mean he lacks personality.

When you actually are in that situation you either have spontaneity and do your thing, which quite likely will attract some critics at least, or try to be moderate in your comments and words, which will give you that image.

I don't really worry about the lack of spontaneity as a sign of his future work. I much prefer to see how he acts and what he does. I have the same opinion about politicians, too much spontaneity in politicians has proven to provide wonderful examples of bad politicians through history, so I think it's the same in the case of monarchies.

The issue about not being permitted to have an opinion, doesn't mean they cannot have an opinion. And in reality if you examine things closely you will realise that the monarchy is a political institution and I no doubt, they defend that political institution. So they surely have a political opinion, although it's in defence of the institution and not the defence of a political party in particular. That part in the Constitution only refers to the fact that they cannot support, at least in public, one political group above any other one.

In reality, the King is known to have acted as some kind of moderator or referee between the different political groups in the past, and it's kinda accepted that more or less that it's the most practical use for the monarchy. So most of the work they do, and that prince Felipe will do in the future, would be of the kind of being a referee and giving some continuity to the political life in Spain not only before the people of Spain, but also before other countries. What I mean is that, over the years, you might have different politicians as presidents and also different political parties that would rule a country, but you will only, hopefully, have one king over a number of decades. So it's easier to establish a point of reference for the people, and also it makes easier when there's a change of government to deal with foreign countries.

So, most of the job, it's going to be private and not very public, and you are going to judge their jobs only by the results obtained.

Also the monarchy acting as a point of reference for the people of a country, can give a good example regarding certain issues, and make more public and acceptable certain issues. It comes to my mind the images of Diana holding HIV babies, that actually have the good effect of making that disease less dangerous in the eyes of the public and also more acceptable. So it's always good seeing them supporting certain charities and opinions regarding certain issues. They are surely going to get some criticism for it, but you cannot please everyone. And definitely the monarchy today is not just plain protocol and being in a palace, so their work and activities should reflect the change of times. And seeing a theme, or certain line of action in the kind of issues they support, will give them a personality. (not sure if I'm expressing myself very well in this point). So that can easily compensate for any lack of spontaneity.

Regarding to the discussion of the isolation of Felipe from other Royals, there is quite a lot debate in the Spanish forums and I will abstain myself of talking about it until I see what happens in July. I hope they will be going to Norway this time, as I hope they will be seen in more acts with other royals soon. If they continue not going to acts with other Royals it's definitely going to be something the people is going to be talking.

 

[biboquinhas]

I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathy between them and the media IMO.

 

[Lauritas138]

I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathybetween them and the media IMO.

I understand what you try to explain to us but I´m not agree with you bioquinhas,the reality is very different.
I think that the most important is that they work, and work much!
The princes of Asturias go outside of the Palace usually and after the birth of their second daughter the princes will have many projects like several trips to the foreigner.

Bioquinhas, I respect your opinion but I think you are very repetitive and you are mistaken.

AND NOW....I am going to continue enjoying with the precious photos of this adorable family in the zoo

 

[ldt20]

Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.

I like Princess Letizia and Prince Filipe but I have one or two ideias that I want to place here, regarding their Agenda and regarding their private life and Leonor!
First, my opinion goes to a lack of "seeing the real life", their official duties are most inside Zarzuela, everyone who wants to have an audience with them must go there, so Filipe and Letizia ussualy don't go out of the Palace and see the real life. See how the entreprises work, talk to their empolyees, show them off to everyone!
It is quite normal that they rise attentions from all, everyone wants to see them, it is quite normal that everyone is asking where is leonor'Where is letizia if she doesn't appear for a while! I think that we should not critise those who ask for them because has they are going to be future Queen and King they raise expectation around them! So I think that they should work more hand to hand with the media! It is important to do that!! There is a lack of sympathy between them and the media IMO.

 

[Saturn]

I think the SRF tries to protect the princes. While King JC and the Queen are highly respected there's a lack of sympathy between the Princes of Asturias and the media, they are always talking about the lack of spontaneity of Felipe or the eating disorders of Letizia or even about Leonor's health. I think it is a pity.

 

[MissSaga]

Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.

My thoughs exactly ldt20 !

 

[adelaide]

Biboquinhas,

I agree that it seems that recently a lot of official engagements are inside Zarzuela, specially for Letizia's. I think Letizia really wants to keep working as much as she can, so she at least tries to be present in the engagements at Zarzuela, that are closer to where she lives and allow her to go back home sooner.

We have to remember thought that last Spring (May, early June) when the princess was not pregnant, both Felipe and Letizia were visiting many cities in the Madrid province, interacting with the people, visiting local businesses, etc.

I'm sure that after Letizia has the new baby, and then the summer vacations are over, she'll be back working very hard and making many appearances, but for that we'll have to wait till September/October.

Yes idt20, may be we can remember the visites of the four suburbs of Madrid done by the Princes in May en June 2006 in Logrones, Alcala de henares, Mostoles and one other - I forget the name now but it's very easy to find it-

It was not a simple passing trough the town, it was a visit for one day of all the Institutions, organistions, education pools, and economic activities in each field existing in the area.

It was the first time that the Princes did that near Madrid because generally He had/has to encounter a Spanish Region recognized by the Constitution, but never he spent a day long in a suburb of Madrid to go at the encounter of all the citizens, organisations and so on.

Some well informed newspaper had told that it was an suggestion of the Princess of Asturias to make this visit in-depth.

But, without the Princess 's case this year according to her UNCONFORTABLE pregnancy - not more - who sometimes had some difficulties to travel inside Spain, you can't said that the Prince don't go outside the Zarzuela for his work. If, by impossible, you could think that, please go and check the Felipe's agenda and you could see how his meetings/hearrings/conferences/visiting are linked with the economic world and outside his golden forteress

Plus, if you reed a little the newspapers - other than the tabloids- you can observe that the rising of this activities is appreciate by the concerned interlocutors.

May be, it's because the Princes of Asturias are discret and prudent,-qualities recognized by quiet all the people- that you think they stay at home and received at the Zarzual only in hearrings some privileged associations!!!
If it's because that, it's a true catastroph, it's mean that the Princes are very very too discretand prudent in their outside activities

In definitive, quiet all the threads about the Princes of Asturias are totally surrealistic, sometimes it's very, very funny. Happily for the debat some of the participants of this threads have a lot of imagination


I have the feeling that I'm a very bothering writer

 

[Mari_*]

My opinion about Felipe & Letizia??

Well.. I think they just rock unk:

 

[stellam]

They are a loving couple who are supportive of each other and the rest of the Royal Family. As months go by Letizia will be seen on her own at official functions more and more just like her sisters/brothers-in-law.

Stellad

 

[madeleine victoria]

They are a loving couple who are supportive of each other and the rest of the Royal Family. As months go by Letizia will be seen on her own at official functions more and more just like her sisters/brothers-in-law.

Stellad

I agree. we'll just have to wait after she delivers her second child. remember that when she's not pregnant, we can see her almost everyday doing royal duties, attending functions, visiting countries so it's just natural if she slows down for a while. I'm pretty sure she'll have so much work after her second pregnancy!

 

[donnaK]

I think the SRF tries to protect the princes. While King JC and the Queen are highly respected there's a lack of sympathy between the Princes of Asturias and the media, they are always talking about the lack of spontaneity of Felipe or the eating disorders of Letizia or even about Leonor's health. I think it is a pity.

The talks on Letizia's eating disorders (their sources were foreign tabloids, mostly German yellow press) and Leonor's health were mostly on the very yellow tabloid shows (pink press programs). Even so, the talk about Felipe's lack of spontaneity was rare. Felipe might not have his father's charisma as some insist, then who does ? (or Maybe Leonor will have since she already knew to send her little kiss to the photographers ). Also charisma is very subjective. When the King first ascended to the throne, nobody thought he had charisma. Then the military coup, he became the hero of Spain, everyone started to talk about his charisma until today. What is there to measure charisma ? I can only say that Felipe has always had some star power since he is one of the few male royals out there who is able to draw a huge crowd on his own.

 

[crisiñaki]

Felipe is very good-looking, but doesn't have the charisma his father has, JC is something else

 

[Enrique]

I think that Felipe is going to be a good King