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Old 08-02-2005, 07:08 AM
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I can say with confidence that Leti is brainy given her background, her PROVEN smartness and her successful career...Unfortunately, i cannot say that Mary is as brainy as Leti...maybe she is but not at the same level...
Have you conducted a comparative IQ test? What's your criteria for intelligence? You know Einstein was an insignificant government employee with no particular degree when he discovered the laws of relativity. Clearly I don't see how you can judge intelligence with such superficial "evidences".
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Old 08-02-2005, 07:17 AM
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Is that tread open for criticism or it's just for positive things?
criticism involves positive things as well :)

what made you ask/think that?
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Old 08-02-2005, 07:30 AM
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Letizia's value is not probably in what she studied but in that she has crossed world, in which in the last years it has been very informed about the things that happen in the world in different areas.
I could not agree more with you, Lula. Everyone can get a degree (and, in many private schools, it really means nothing more than a mere sheet of paper )... What matters is what you make with the things you learn at University, the way you manage to improve, taking your lessons as a starting-point for something meaningful. And what Letizia achieved in her short yet so promising career (moreover in such a competitive world as the media is) deserves all my admiration.

And I think that her eclectic intellectual/cultural profile (i.e. her interest in politics, business, history, art, etc.) is the one required for a future queen of country with such a complex reality to deal with.
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Old 08-02-2005, 08:05 AM
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Thanks Carlota

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criticism involves positive things as well :)

what made you ask/think that?
It was about Letizia so-called freshness. I just wanted to say I find the royal family very fresh, King Juan-Carlos is to me the warmest monarch in Europe and Queen Sophia is simply perfect. So I don't think that this family needed freshness in the first place, and anyway I don't find Letizia fresh looking but rather very serious looking. Which, again, is not a bad thing for a future Queen.
I want to add I think your tread was a good idea but I'm upset it is beginning to degenerate into a Letizia VS Mary thread. So silly!
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Old 08-02-2005, 08:57 AM
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This is for say what you admire of Letizia, it isn't necessary to make comparisons with other princess.

Princess Letizia is a strong woman, fighter and dedicated to her work.

She is lovely, the best wife for prince Felipe.

Excuse my English.
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She is really stylish and elegant.She is doing really good on her role of the Crown Princess now and she will become really great Queen in the future for sure.
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Old 08-02-2005, 09:21 AM
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I admire Letizia because she was able to hide from everyone the identity of her boyfriend for almost a year, when it could have become the "Story of her life". She didn't need to marry him. If this was just for fame, she just needed to let the word slip that they were an item and she would see her fame soar (as did Eva's, Gigi's and Isabel's)

I admire Letizia for giving up a sucessful and growing career to marry the man she loves.

As someone said above, I also admire Letizia for letting Felipe stand out as the "leader" of the duo, even though we're aware that she made great impressions on the politicians and intellectuals she's met (the Hungarian president and the writer Gabriel García Marquez, just to example).

I admire Letizia for being a good daughter, sister, granddaughter and aunt. She's shown it clearly during a lot of "private" moments with her family.

I admire Letizia for sticking with Spanish designers (with a little foreign touch here and there) as a way to promote the Spanish fashion to the world.

I admire Letizia for showing so much strength during the events of March-11th.

I feel that Letizia will evolve slowly and consistently as she has the beast teacher in the world, Queen Sofia.
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You're right, just because Mary and Letizia both have Bachelor's degrees doesn't mean that they studied for the same amount of time...I shouldn't have worded it that way. Sorry!

What I mean was that they're both, relativly speaking, at the same level of education because they hold the same type of degree (though in different fields).

I think Letizia has definetly grown into her role as CP. My husband is a US Army officer and I know that it's often akward for me when I go to various formal events with him and there's a certain protocol to follow. And that's on a much smaller scale than what Letizia has to deal with. Even thought I can imagine she must have been and maybe still is nervous, she always remains composed, dignified and always looking gorgeous!
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:40 PM
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You're right, just because Mary and Letizia both have Bachelor's degrees doesn't mean that they studied for the same amount of time...I shouldn't have worded it that way. Sorry!
No, there's nothing to be sorry... I mean, it's not a relevant point for the matter either... I just found it was an intersting comment - at least this is an issue that interests me very well - since we're people from different parts of the world, coming from different realities, and that's why it's unfair to compare two different women as these princesses are.
It was a side note with no importance...
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:25 PM
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I just didn't want to make a mistake without correcting it :)

This is an interesting thread and it's fascinating to see all the different opinions people have.
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What I admire about Letizia...? Not much. That's mostly because she's featured very little in the news here and I don't know very much about her.

What I do know, and admire about her, is that she changed a career where she, as far as I understand, was fairly successful and in charge of her own life, to a life in the very traditional Spanish court. She, unlike most of the other Crown Princesses, was accustomed to somewhat living in the public eye before she married into the royal family, and she knew the language. But that doesn't mean that the transition was easier for her, I suppose, and I think, judging from pictures I've seen, that she's adapting fairly well.

I think that the thing I admire most about Letizia is also the thing I admire about Mathilde, Maxima, Mette-Marit, Sonja, Silvia, Mary, Henrik, and the other commoners who have married into the royal families over the years. That they have the guts and love to go for it, and live the rest of their lives under public scrutiny. They know it can't be easy, despite some of the privileges that come with the part, and yet they dare believe enough in their love to alter their lives completely. Now, that? I admire.
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I admire Letizia in many ways. The main reasons are because of the way she, (in my opinion), adapted to royal life. She knew that it would be difficult, but she always seems to take an interest in whatever it is that she is doing and from looking at photographs-she obviously enjoys what she is doing very much

Secondly, I think that alot of the younger generation in Spain admire Letizia, not only for her sense of style etc, but for being an intelligent and beautiful woman. For them she has bought a fresh face to the monarchy. And because she is their future Queen, I think that this is very important
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Old 08-02-2005, 05:43 PM
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Not if the word is to admire, but the things that I value for the Princess of Asturias are different.

1. Independently of the good things that can suppose being Princesa, also it has incovenientes. I believe that Letizia was brave from the moment that began her relation with the Prince, because she knew what had happened with other girlfriends of the Prince. She was putting in danger her form of life, her work ... but she could be kept very discreet, more difficult still if I think one where she was working.

2.She is a woman who worries for learning, for not committing mistakes. She comes to the meetings with paper and pen and captures her notes. She fulfills her colitigant's role, which does not mean that she is a vase. Letizia tries to be kept in the second plane, she knows that she is the center of attention, and tries that it is not like that. The important thing is the act to the one that comes, and not she. The same discrección is in her wardrobe, in her jewels ... simple, elegant and correct.

3.I believe that she is doing a good work, before presidents of government, children of Brazil or victims of tragedies. Curiously Letizia lived through her worse moment as Princess before she being, she had not married the Prince but she was with the whole Royal Family after 11M, in the hospital and in funeral.

4. Unfortunately they have to support too many commentaries, which she takes with certain enterenza. Her health has been a topic of constant debate,her different pregnancy so much same thing. In spite of everything she continues forward. In the familiar thing she has not passed it well either, a month of the commitment promising to be they were finding out that her grandfather was suffering a cancer (her aunt and godmother died of one a few years ago), the grandfather came from miracle to the wedding, but he will not manage to know his great-grandson. In spite of everything on the following day of the funeral of her grandfather she was expiring with her official activities. In spite of her fragile appearance, she is a great fortress.

5.I admire the resignation that she does to her freedom. To live in a golden cage must be agreeable. To go out of house with a bodyguard always with you, warning and asking for permission for to do it, not to have full freedom to go to the places that you want.I admire it in Letizia and in many public Spanish charges that meet obliged to live in the shade of a bodyguard. ETA's problem forces them to it, they do that they have that extremat the safety measurements and it should not be like that.
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What I admire about Letizia is that she is a woman of substance: someone who cannot be described merely by the clothes that she wears or in simplistic terms like "she has a nice smile." She is someone who is made up of many things, positive qualities and qualities that are more difficult to deal with.

I admire her for her drive and determination and her lack of embarrassment about it. Why should she be embarrassed anyways that she sets goals for herself and sets out to achieve them and does so successfully?

I think she has a strong personality and were she a man, nobody would question this. Everyone would probably sing him praises about how intelligent, confident and strong-willed he is. But because such characteristics belong to a woman, there is suddenly something "harsh" and "difficult" about her because she is not soft and passive and without her own ideas or beliefs.

I admire how hard she works. She works as hard as the rest of the Spanish royal family - a hard feat and a great challenge to have risen to considering how hard working the Spanish royals are. I believe though that she is someone who wouldn't like to rest on her laurels, someone who would be happy to have an engagement only once or twice a week then to rest for a week before taking on two more engagements. I believe that she thrives on working hard and in representing Spain well and making serious contributions to her country. Not just in an artificial way because of how she dresses or how glamorous she is or how many magazine covers or international best dressed list she makes, but in a way that brings recognition to Spain and shows how cultured and intelligent and compassionate it is.

I also like how she approaches her role as Princess of Asturias with professionalism but also great compassion and warmth. When greeting heads of state she is dressed smartly, minds her p's and q's and is able to converse with them intelligently about matters that affect their country, about a relationship between Spain and their country, history and culture, among other subjects. And when she is around children, she bends down to greet them, to hug them or to shake their hands. She talks to them and laughs with them. Right after the March 11 attacks, before she was officially the Princess of Asturias, and in subsequent situations involving the death of Spanish victims or soldiers or the like, Letizia has always expressed tremendous compassion to the family members and survivors.

Lately I admire a lot how she carries on with great dignity her royal duties even with all the rumours surrounding her. There have always been rumours but it seems that the rumours have gotten worst and more hurtful since her pregnancy. It might be that she has a good brave face when out in public and she cries about it in private (somehow I do not think of Letizia crying over something trivial such as the gossipers), or it might be that she is strong enough to rise about it all and not give it too much thought, but I don't think I would be able to carry on as bravely and as stoically as she does if I read or heard all these terrible things about me, my marriage, my family.
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I really think she is beautiful and that thanks to her the Spanish Royal family has become more popular and perhaps more accepted as now one of the commoners is part of the royal family. I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, the spanish royals are heavily scrutinized in Spain. She seems to be a right fit for the prince. I don't think that anyone would say no to a prince, whatever job you had and whether you were at the top of your career. What could be more prestigious than being a crown princess? Being the next queen? I think that she is no exception. I'm sure she works hard, but a lot of us work harder. Regarding the fact that people talk about her and her private life, that is exactly what she knew she was getting into. She is getting used to it, and I am sure she must be affected like any of us would. I admire the love for her parents, grandparents, sisters, her family in general. She seems very commited to her family.
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I like her for all the reasons cited: the fact that she's multilingual and had a challenging career, and that she seems casual and effortlessly poised. Also, she doesn't seem to be posing for a lot of photo shoots and granting lots of interviews, and I think it's more dignified - more royal - when people in her position don't. But, then, I haven't really been researching her too much and I don't intend to.

In the case of Mary of Denmark, I made the mistake of searching out and reading a lot of her press and interviews, and don't have the greatest impression of her as a result. I want to like every royal. At first I thought Mette-Marit was diminishing the luster of the Norwegian royals, just like my first thought was that getting a TV personality in their midst was going to diminish that of the Spanish royals. But both Mette-Marit and Letizia seem to do their jobs decently and to look pretty and poised while doing it, and so I like them. Letizia I quickly came to respect on the basis of her career accomplishments; Mette-Marit took a little longer for me to warm to, but now I think she's great.

So as long as Letizia stays away from the Vogue photo shoots, I'll continue to think she's great too, largely because I want to.
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Mette-Marit took a little longer for me to warm to, but now I think she's great.
I still haven't warmed up to her.
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I don't think that anyone would say no to a prince, whatever job you had and whether you were at the top of your career. What could be more prestigious than being a crown princess?
I don't think that's a very accurate statement, Roxsteve. Spain is not like Denmark or Sweden or any other country whose monarchy is very consolidated and popular. There's plenty of Spanish women, who would never give up of their lives to become part of the Royal family... especially when you have such a promising and successful career as Letizia Ortiz had... But well, I agree on one thing: who could say no to this particular prince charming?

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Also, she doesn't seem to be posing for a lot of photo shoots and granting lots of interviews, and I think it's more dignified - more royal - when people in her position don't. But, then, I haven't really been researching her too much and I don't intend to. [...] So as long as Letizia stays away from the Vogue photo shoots, I'll continue to think she's great too
I completely agree with you on that part. There's nothing worse than a princess acting as a celebrity. And, by the way, since the engagement, she has never given an interview, nor participated in a photo shoot... and, after following her steps for a year and a half, I must say I don't think she will ever pose as model to Vogue... thank God!
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i would have to agree with roxsteve and brian_ahern, i don't think she would have refrained from being a princess... :) after all, letizia's promising carrer didn't have the privileges she now has. however, as brian said, i think she is doing well not giving interviews and what's more she is not doing photoshots for magazines as vogue or making her role as princess be practically 50% dedicated to fashion shows. she does well supporting the spanish fashion "practising what she preaches" as i said in other thread and not attending spanish fashion shows and then wearing prada :) which is definetely the best option.
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What I admire about Letizia...? Not much. That's mostly because she's featured very little in the news here and I don't know very much about her.

What I do know, and admire about her, is that she changed a career where she, as far as I understand, was fairly successful and in charge of her own life, to a life in the very traditional Spanish court. She, unlike most of the other Crown Princesses, was accustomed to somewhat living in the public eye before she married into the royal family, and she knew the language. But that doesn't mean that the transition was easier for her, I suppose, and I think, judging from pictures I've seen, that she's adapting fairly well.

I think that the thing I admire most about Letizia is also the thing I admire about Mathilde, Maxima, Mette-Marit, Sonja, Silvia, Mary, Henrik, and the other commoners who have married into the royal families over the years. That they have the guts and love to go for it, and live the rest of their lives under public scrutiny. They know it can't be easy, despite some of the privileges that come with the part, and yet they dare believe enough in their love to alter their lives completely. Now, that? I admire.
Mathilde wasn't a commoner, she was born in a noble family, daughter of a polish countess and grand-daughter of a polish princess.
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