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Old 08-30-2008, 11:53 PM
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Not so incredible - we've managed to have threads here before dedicated to illnesses - there's for example a thread in the Norwegian forum about King Harald's heart surgery and another one about his cancer diagnosis.

In the Spanish forum, there is, for example, also a thread dedicated to Jaime de Marichalar's stroke and subsequent operation and retraining.

The difference is mostly that in this thread people are discussing whether or not they believe that the claim of the Spanish court that the operation was medical in intent or not. It's difficult to argue about that when you're dealing with heart surgery, cancer or stroke.

The issue is also that it is a topic that inevitably will be discussed, and so, at 250+ posts, it might be better for it to have its own thread, rather than going through several current events threads for it.


Of course by "incredible" I mean ridiculous. The medical conditions you mentioned regarding other royals are serious and well worth an entire thread, sure enough. But a rhynoplasty/tubernectomy? Unless her nose was destroyed and looked like Michael Jackson's or something that terrible, it isn't that big a deal, not even for health reasons (take it from me I've had two corrective nose surgeries). At worse could've been that one of her passages was blocked and since the doctors were "already there" why not take care of the bump? Unless of course it was part of the deviated septum and the correction took care of it. Either way it doesn't compare to a stroke.
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:30 AM
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See, to me I can notice a difference. She does look different imo which I feel somewhat sad about as I thought her so so pretty and actually didn't even notice the bump on her nose prior to this thread.

If a medical condition than I can certainly understand why the procedure was needed and even if it was for cosmetic purposes, I can again entirely understand why Letizia may have wanted it dealt with (it's her right to feel happy with how she looks).
I just miss how she she used to look, I guess. changing the shape of ones nose can certainly alter one's overall facial appearance and imo, it has to a degree. Her nose seems somewhat broader and now her mouth seems longer. To me anyway.
Still pretty of course, but not the Ltizia I was accustomed to looking at.
If she's happy though, that's all that matters.
I agree with you on this, she seems to have lost the personality of her face. A shame. I think it's wrong for people to think they have to look perfect to feel good. Letizia is a well educated woman, and she was extremly attractive, albeit not perfectly chiseled looking. Yet she didn't lack anything.
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I know a lady who was born with a crooked little toe. It apparently didn't interfere with her daily life for the most part, except she frequently stubbed her little toe on bed posts. She finally had surgery to fix the toe two years ago. By the logice of some of the posts, she shouldn't have done it because the crooked toe was part of her identify. My point is, Letizia's breathing problem is similar to my friends' crooked toe. It's not the worst thing in the world to have problem with and it's not life threatening for the most part. It's annoying and more important, correctable. They both finally took action. The result is my friend can finally wear the Jimmy Choos she's been drooling over for ages, and Letizia got a straighter nose. I was really happy for my friend when she strutted down the street in her first part of Jimmy Choo. I don't get when people pick on Letizia for not putting up for a constant discomfort.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:21 AM
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I don't get when people pick on Letizia for not putting up for a constant discomfort.
If letizia truly had a medcal condition, should she have not chosen to have surgery and suffer the rest of her life just because the media or the public would criticize her? What would these critics do is they are in the same situation?
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they would do the same she did...Is not a big deal to have or not a different nose (actually we all have different noses from each other), so...Is she gonna be more intelligent than before? that's not the point, she's just LETIZIA and I think is ridiculous to say that a 'part of her is missing' or something like that

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If letizia truly had a medcal condition, should she have not chosen to have surgery and suffer the rest of her life just because the media or the public would criticize her? What would these critics do is they are in the same situation?
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An article from Elmundo this Sunday talks about Sofia's face lifting and Infantas' liposuction. I have been following the SRF for years, I knew they did these ops, no surprise at all. Yes, all women are 'insecure' in a way, since they want to look better .
El 'estreno' de la nariz de Doña Letizia se adelantó ocho días | Gentes | elmundo.es

I don't mind Letizia's old nose with the little bump. However if the offer of removing the bump was on the table to go with the operation to fix the breathing problem without causing much more pain, why not take it ? Of course a straight nose looks no worse on the profile than a slightly crooked one, even a stunning beauty Gisele Bundchen looks better with her new nose.
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Old 08-31-2008, 05:45 PM
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And also queen Rania! Do you remember younger Rania with her old nose? She looks great now, and I know she was op 'cause she wanted to look better
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An article from Elmundo this Sunday talks about Sofia's face lifting and Infantas' liposuction. I have been following the SRF for years, I knew they did these ops, no surprise at all. Yes, all women are 'insecure' in a way, since they want to look better .
El 'estreno' de la nariz de Doña Letizia se adelantó ocho días | Gentes | elmundo.es
Let me get this straight -- Queen Sofia had a face lift and her daughters liposuction. When in the world was this? And if so, was it ever written about prior to this article? Not that there is anything at all wrong with those actions; but since all the "passing-out" over Letizia insignificant operation to correct breathing problem, I am really shocked. I just thought that was the first time a Spanish Royal dabbled in a procedure (which were much more intensive than a breathing correction).
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Old 08-31-2008, 07:50 PM
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Everything around Princess Letizia has to be criticized, but just look Cristina's body before and now, or QS's face, come one, there is something going on there, but people just criticize Princess Letizia.

This is just out of the block, I can't stand it.
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I think it's wrong for people to think they have to look perfect to feel good.
Well, there's no such thing as perfect as you and I both know.

Though only when we have walked their path and felt what they have felt, could we then perhaps lay judgement.

Healing from the inside is such a priceless thing, but sometimes to be able to heal on the inside, people need to see an improvement on the outside.

Self esteem and confidence derives, mainly, from how we perceive ourselves and how we think others perceive us. Because Letizia is someone who has notably been in the public eye for some time, does not then suggest she has been full of confidence or unsensitive to the issue of personal appearance. Often people suppress taking action because cosmetic surgey is viewed by a great many people through such prejudiced eyes and so are labelled as being fake themselves. What a horrible tag to have labelled upon you when all that person wishes to do is to be able to look in the mirror and smile thinking 'yes', I like how I look'.

Whatever Letizia's reason, I hope she's very happy with it as that's all that matters......And yes, I think she looks different and that saddens me a little as I liked her appearance prior too the procedure, but I'm not her and know not what its like to be her so I'm in no position to judge her for it.

And by no means am I giving you a lecture, not at all...just sharing a point of view.
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Let me get this straight -- Queen Sofia had a face lift and her daughters liposuction. When in the world was this? And if so, was it ever written about prior to this article? Not that there is anything at all wrong with those actions; but since all the "passing-out" over Letizia insignificant operation to correct breathing problem, I am really shocked. I just thought that was the first time a Spanish Royal dabbled in a procedure (which were much more intensive than a breathing correction).
I always thought Sofia's face work was an open secret if you had followed the SRF closely. It had been talked on one of the main royal boards closed down last year. Like I said before, Silvia is just not as lucky with bad surgeries, otherwise she could also be seen as 'age gracefully' as other royal consorts .
Anyway, royals are no different from us, they also don't like faces with deep wrinkles, big hips, thick ankles or thick knees, if they did something to have them fixed, big deal. Not everyone admitted the plastic surgeries like Fabiola, nor should they, it's really their own business.
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Man I think Letizia's nose bump is more popular than she is!
Hmmm....think the doctors can put it back?

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Old 09-01-2008, 01:03 AM
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I always thought Sofia's face work was an open secret if you had followed the SRF closely. It had been talked on one of the main royal boards closed down last year. Like I said before, Silvia is just not as lucky with bad surgeries, otherwise she could also be seen as 'age gracefully' as other royal consorts .
Anyway, royals are no different from us, they also don't like faces with deep wrinkles, big hips, thick ankles or thick knees, if they did something to have them fixed, big deal. Not everyone admitted the plastic surgeries like Fabiola, nor should they, it's really their own business.
Thank you for the answer. I actually missed that board when I joined, I guess. I started just viewing Dutch Royals as I was to visit there in April -- so never got into the Spanish until recently. Now love them all.

I agree that we all want to age gracefully and if creams don't do what you want, go for it if you can. In fact I give them credit for trying to look as good as possible.
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An article from Elmundo this Sunday talks about Sofia's face lifting and Infantas' liposuction. I have been following the SRF for years, I knew they did these ops, no surprise at all. Yes, all women are 'insecure' in a way, since they want to look better .
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I don't know what the Infantas did but I agree that at least Sofia's surgery is an open secret. She also had her teeth done, as probably most Queens (apart from Margrethe) or CPs, but the fact that others do facelifts as well doesn't make it better for me. Whilst Letizia's operation is at least partly due to medical reasons I find cosmetic surgery a different league. Royals - at least the sovereigns - are not out there to win a beauty contest but to convince by charisma and personality. This whole thing only shows how much non-reigning royal women are being reduced to looks by the media or feel the pressure to look good to either feel confident or to keep hubby on board. Very sad.
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This whole thing only shows how much non-reigning royal women are being reduced to looks by the media or feel the pressure to look good to either feel confident or to keep hubby on board. Very sad.
This is true but not just by the media - just look at most of the comments on the SRF forum regarding Letizia. They are mostly about how she looks, her clothes, etc.
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This whole thing only shows how much non-reigning royal women are being reduced to looks by the media or feel the pressure to look good to either feel confident or to keep hubby on board. Very sad.
I understand where you are coming from, but it is a fact of life now. Unlike years ago where marriage was "golden", women today are taught to keep themself as nice as they can; which naturally reflects well on their husbands to others. Men take Viagra to make sure their good looking wives stay around. If all this did not sell, it wouldn't be advertised so often in magazines and on TV. It is our fault for letting this happen -- look at how we constantly critique every little hair style, makeup, outfit and now operations that Royals do (much less entertainers; and behind closed doors, our neighbors). So, as sad as it might be, we get what we deserve. If we all stopped finding fault maybe we could uncover that most Royals are just people trying to make a difference for their country. I certainly would not want to be in their shoes (or my daughters and granddaughters)

Don't get me wrong, I too critique others, but hope that I don't use language or be any more nasty than if I were telling the person to their face. I think that the members that get really nasty (like the subject was going to change their life, which would be rather sick) are what other take exception to. A nice conversation, without a chip on your shoulder, is always a good thing.
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What strikes me though is that royals don't seem to care much about the risk of plastic = non essential surgery. Not only that the result can turn out unpleasant (Silvia) or with the normal age process kicking in the face can look even stranger than before - and the whole world takes notice - facial surgery remains an operation with all its usual risks. I may be wrong but I recall that there were rumours about Sofia's mother, Queen Frederika, who died after she had undergone eye surgery (official version) but there were claims that it was plastic surgery gone wrong. She would not be the first or last woman to pass away for those reasons, there have been numerous public cases in the past (not royals but wealthy wifes of businessmen or politicians).
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Man I think Letizia's nose bump is more popular than she is!
Hmmm....think the doctors can put it back?


Yes, if it will be the same as this from Spaceballs

My Duke, I don't know if the royals care or not about the risk's of surgeries but all surgeries are risks. About the risk, it's impossible to know how people would react about any medicine. By the way royals are normal women and men (about what many people forget) who can has plastic surgery if they want or really need it.
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What strikes me though is that royals don't seem to care much about the risk of plastic = non essential surgery. Not only that the result can turn out unpleasant (Silvia) or with the normal age process kicking in the face can look even stranger than before - and the whole world takes notice - facial surgery remains an operation with all its usual risks. I may be wrong but I recall that there were rumours about Sofia's mother, Queen Frederika, who died after she had undergone eye surgery (official version) but there were claims that it was plastic surgery gone wrong. She would not be the first or last woman to pass away for those reasons, there have been numerous public cases in the past (not royals but wealthy wifes of businessmen or politicians).
I don't believe that being Royal has anything to do with it at all. It is the times. The makeup industry sells billions a year. There are many skin care lines out there to help with younger looking faces. Many woman (and men) have surgeries (large or small) dye their hair, etc., all in the name of looking better. People are now having veneers put on perfectly good teeth or having them laser bleached. Many who do not want to "go under the knife" will do Thermage or Fraxel to tighten their skin.

Twenty years ago, all this would sound rather silly and vain, today common place. There is a risk with all of the above (even certain creams) but just because one is Royal, doesn't mean that they aren't human and want to look their best.

I still think that Letizia's surgery was originated by a breathing problem and that it corrected that bump itself or the doctor tweeked while "in there". Either way, her and Felipe's decision alone, I am sure with the OK from the King.

You are worried that a surgery will cause awful things -- yes it happens, but that is life. Their choice. I know of women that go for very small surgeries once every two years that is done so minutely you could never tell -- except for the fact that they look extremely rested and no dramatic change ever. I think that to die from plastic surgery today is as likely as with child birth -- happens, but not likely.
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Hard to believe that Cristina and Elena have both had liposuction - this is a very serious procedure and I had thought that both led pretty active lifestyles - doing sports activities - Cristina has 4 young kids to look after.

Also, there are serious facelifts and then sort of tweaking facelifts.
The Duchess of Windsor was an example of a severe facelift - along with Queen Silvia.
Then, there is a slight nip and tuck here and there type of facelift leaving a woman (or man) looking "refreshed" --- like they have been to a health resort or spa. Queen Sofia looks refreshed to me -
And a dead giveaway is any woman who keeps her face out of the sun --- wears big hats, etc. --- exposure to the sun is a big no-no after a facelift.
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