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Old 04-25-2014, 05:57 PM
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Veering off the topic last time.

I comparatively spoke about Crown Princess Letizia and replied to Alondra's post. Comparatively speaking, Crown Princess Letizia is as usual as many of her royal colleagues.

Based on this thread, I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain.
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I comparatively spoke about Crown Princess Letizia and replied to Alondra's post. Comparatively speaking, Crown Princess Letizia is as usual as many of her royal colleagues.

Based on this thread, I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain.

I think the problem may be how opinions are expressed, especially in case of Letizia.

Inspite of all the discussion, the data presented to substantiate the claim that Letizia is well regarded for her brains, we have the above sentence, and I quote again for emphasis "I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain"

With all due respect, there are few other ways to read it other than an insult, a passive aggressive slap on a country, its people, its intelligence, international folks who have expressed a contrary opinion.

It is not enough to acknowledge that many folks have a contrary view. They have to be denigrated too.


This comment is along the same lines as Letizia being a "news-reader" inspite of all the evidence to the contrary.

And tragedy is that this issue is more cut-and-dry and easy to get facts than the more bias prone reading of how she behaves with her girls and how they react to public outings.
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Old 04-25-2014, 07:33 PM
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I comparatively spoke about Crown Princess Letizia and replied to Alondra's post. Comparatively speaking, Crown Princess Letizia is as usual as many of her royal colleagues.

Based on this thread, I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain.

There have been may facts brought to the table to argue that she is heavy-weight in brains department.

As you have a very strong, unshakeable view to the contrary, perhaps you could give examples where Letizia has been shown to be a light-weight.
  1. Perhaps you have inside details on how she screwed up the coverage of 9/11, the Bush vs gore fight, Iraq war etc.
  2. Perhaps there are Spainish intellectuals who have met her and have come away extremely disappointed
  3. Perhaps one of the many top of the world intellectuals who get awarded the Prince of Asturias award have reflected negatively etc
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Old 04-25-2014, 08:18 PM
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Based on this thread, I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain.[/FONT]
Your statement is rather insulting to the Spanish people.
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Old 04-25-2014, 10:28 PM
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I comparatively spoke about Crown Princess Letizia and replied to Alondra's post. Comparatively speaking, Crown Princess Letizia is as usual as many of her royal colleagues.

Based on this thread, I assume that there is very little required to be hailed as an intellectual heavyweight in Spain.
That's quite an insult to Spain. I only saw your reply to Alondra's post by calling Letizia intellectual lightweight, then brought up some royal women Alondra didn't even mention in his previous post, neither did he call those women intellectual lightweights.
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Old 04-25-2014, 11:20 PM
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I am always hearing that Letizia was a "brilliant" journalist and I don't quite understand. I think "accomplished" is a better way to describe her. But maybe it's a cultural thing, because here in the U.S, especially in the major cities such as NYC and L.A., female journalists with degrees who are tops in their profession are a dime a dozen, therefore Letizia Ortiz never struck me as all that special/unique.

This is not to denigrate Letizia's achievements at all. She is obviously a bright and ambitious woman, and stunningly beautiful. But I never think of her in quite the same league as Queen Maxima, able to discuss complex issues such as economics and the environment with world leaders in four different languages, or with the truly gifted CP Masako of Japan.
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:25 AM
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Ok, Letizia may be doing great job as a princess.

But how do you personally know that Mary and Kate are absolute intellectual nobodies? As far as I know Kate pursued high studies in History of Art, and Mary seems to have a good general culture.

I could say Letizia is average ( besides beauty) but I can't call her " nobody" unless I have opportunity to talk to her or listen to somebody's discussion with her.
Kate comes from a money privileged background. She attended a very exclusive school and her education should have propelled her into a professional great job. It didn't.

Mary is a lovely woman but no one knew her professional credentials before marriage. There is a video from couple of years ago showing her confused about writing her own name in public .....she is certainly not an intellectual heavy weight.
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I am always hearing that Letizia was a "brilliant" journalist and I don't quite understand. I think "accomplished" is a better way to describe her. But maybe it's a cultural thing, because here in the U.S, especially in the major cities such as NYC and L.A., female journalists with degrees who are tops in their profession are a dime a dozen, therefore Letizia Ortiz never struck me as all that special/unique.

This is not to denigrate Letizia's achievements at all. She is obviously a bright and ambitious woman, and stunningly beautiful. But I never think of her in quite the same league as Queen Maxima, able to discuss complex issues such as economics and the environment with world leaders in four different languages, or with the truly gifted CP Masako of Japan.
I think it's extremely hard to make it to the news anchors in any major TV station since there are so few positions available. My friend's sister has been trying very hard for many years, only be able to host a minor news program, already being considered a huge achievement, the other friend's brother didn't make it in CNN despite trying for a few years, both with excellent academic background. Finally he went for a MBA, easily became a company's PR director. On the other hand, a normal investment banking job at a bank is a dime a dozen, same as engineers.

Due to her journalist background, Letizia has always been able to discuss various issues with anyone. Sure she doesn't have an international role as Maxima, that's more of a royal house policy, Masako doesn't have a visible international role either.

I don't doubt Maxima's intelligence and ability, but she is also very lucky. In Netherlands, Queen Beatrice had wanted to retire a while ago, thus WA and Maxima had always been promoted since day one. WA and Maxima have their own money from the State, have their own household to persuade their own interests rather freely. In Spain, JC and Sofia have always been clinging to the throne, wouldn't share much, until now, Sofia has been hogging almost every single foreign trip, JC is the boss in every way since he holds the budget of the whole house and is allowed to do whatever he wants by law. He is very self centered and egocentric. I don't blame Letizia at all if she wishes JC to abdicate as soon as possible.
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Old 04-26-2014, 02:03 AM
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I am always hearing that Letizia was a "brilliant" journalist and I don't quite understand. I think "accomplished" is a better way to describe her. But maybe it's a cultural thing, because here in the U.S, especially in the major cities such as NYC and L.A., female journalists with degrees who are tops in their profession are a dime a dozen, therefore Letizia Ortiz never struck me as all that special/unique.

This is not to denigrate Letizia's achievements at all. She is obviously a bright and ambitious woman, and stunningly beautiful. But I never think of her in quite the same league as Queen Maxima, able to discuss complex issues such as economics and the environment with world leaders in four different languages, or with the truly gifted CP Masako of Japan.
Here we go again. Why on earth posters keep putting down Letizia's achievements by COMPARING her with their own favourite royals?

Look, Maxima is brilliant. She has a superb intellect and education credentials behind her. She also belongs to Netherlands Royal House with a Queen Beatrix knowing when to step down

Maxima was allowed to shine ........Juan Carlos will not allow Letizia to do the same.. Again, we can't compare royal houses and different political/socio-economic situations.
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Old 04-26-2014, 02:19 AM
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Alondra, you seem sensitive to any criticism of Letizia. If you had read my post carefully you would have seen me praise her intelligence, beauty and ambition. I did not put her down by stating my opinion that I do not find her as unique or special as her fans do.

I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia.

Sorry if you are upset.
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Old 04-26-2014, 02:28 AM
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Kate comes from a money privileged background. She attended a very exclusive school and her education should have propelled her into a professional great job. It didn't.

Mary is a lovely woman but no one knew her professional credentials before marriage. There is a video from couple of years ago showing her confused about writing her own name in public .....she is certainly not an intellectual heavy weight.
Please post a link to the video because this I would love to see and how to you came to this conclusion.
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Here we go again. Why on earth posters keep putting down Letizia's achievements by COMPARING her with their own favourite royals?

Look, Maxima is brilliant. She has a superb intellect and education credentials behind her. She also belongs to Netherlands Royal House with a Queen Beatrix knowing when to step down

Maxima was allowed to shine ........Juan Carlos will not allow Letizia to do the same.. Again, we can't compare royal houses and different political/socio-economic situations.
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Are you not doing the same putting others down?
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Old 04-26-2014, 02:57 AM
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Alondra, you seem sensitive to any criticism of Letizia. If you had read my post carefully you would have seen me praise her intelligence, beauty and ambition. I did not "put" her down by stating my opinion that I do not find her as unique or special as her fans do.

I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia.
Sorry if you are upset.
I'm not upset, but sure I get sensitive about Letizia. She is going to be my future Queen and I enjoy who she is and has achieved on HER own.

You seem wanting to prove a point against Letizia saying...."I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia."

Whatever
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Old 04-26-2014, 03:24 AM
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My bolding

Are you not doing the same putting others down?
I never engage in gossip by putting down royals depending who I like. I love the monarchy in my country and abhor how some posters keep denigrating the relationship between Leonor, Sofia and Letizia in a very a obvious passive/aggressive way. ie (I like you but.....)
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I'm not upset, but sure I get sensitive about Letizia. She is going to be my future Queen and I enjoy who she is and has achieved on HER own.

You seem wanting to prove a point against Letizia saying...."I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia."

Whatever
Exactly. Like I said before, Maxima had a good job (although a dime a dozen good job unlike a news anchor in a major network) in New York thanks to her family connection.
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I am always hearing that Letizia was a "brilliant" journalist and I don't quite understand. I think "accomplished" is a better way to describe her. But maybe it's a cultural thing, because here in the U.S, especially in the major cities such as NYC and L.A., female journalists with degrees who are tops in their profession are a dime a dozen, therefore Letizia Ortiz never struck me as all that special/unique.

This is not to denigrate Letizia's achievements at all. She is obviously a bright and ambitious woman, and stunningly beautiful. But I never think of her in quite the same league as Queen Maxima, able to discuss complex issues such as economics and the environment with world leaders in four different languages, or with the truly gifted CP Masako of Japan.
I agree with this assessment. Before meeting Felipe, Letizia was a very gifted journalist who would have stepped the ladder even further without engagement & marriage.

I don't see that she was 'on top of her profession' though. At the time of the engagement, Letizia was co-anchoring the TVE evening news, together with her boss, Alfredo Urdaci. In this role, she had been for approx. 6 weeks. I have no doubt that she was qualified for this role, but at the time there were many rumours in Spain that Felipe had a hand in Letizia getting this job at exactly that time in order to make her face known in Spain. Most Spaniards had never seen her face or didnt know who she was when the relationship became public knowledge.

If people think that not ageeing that Letizia Ortiz was kind of a Spanish Christiane Amanpour at the time means putting her down of course they are free to do so.
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I'm not upset, but sure I get sensitive about Letizia. She is going to be my future Queen and I enjoy who she is and has achieved on HER own.

You seem wanting to prove a point against Letizia saying...."I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia."

Whatever

Prove a point against Letizia"?? How about express an opinion in a very clear manner, and explain why I hold stated opinion while at the same time agreeing that your CP IS intelligent and accomplished?

Or is only honor and praise allowed?

Whatever, indeed.
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I agree with this assessment. Before meeting Felipe, Letizia was a very gifted journalist who would have stepped the ladder even further without engagement & marriage.

I don't see that she was 'on top of her profession' though. At the time of the engagement, Letizia was co-anchoring the TVE evening news, together with her boss, Alfredo Urdaci. In this role, she had been for approx. 6 weeks. I have no doubt that she was qualified for this role, but at the time there were many rumours in Spain that Felipe had a hand in Letizia getting this job at exactly that time in order to make her face known in Spain. Most Spaniards had never seen her face or didnt know who she was when the relationship became public knowledge.

If people think that not ageeing that Letizia Ortiz was kind of a Spanish Christiane Amanpour at the time means putting her down of course they are free to do so.
She had been on TVE news all the time from morning news to afternoon news before the evening news, even foreigners who watched news knew her face, that's how Felipe saw her too. Of course there were plenty who probably never watched the news or some just tried to undermine her with rumors/lies.

Nobody here had called Letizia Christiane Amanpour in Spain. She was only 31 when she got engaged, her journalist career just started to take off. But Letizia was named 'best journalist under 30 in 2001" by AP (when Felipe was dating another woman), there is no doubt she was one of the best in her generation and she didn't get the help from Felipe.

There were certainly some comments trying to put down Letizia, such as 'Letizia was an intellectual lightweight', 'a news anchor was a dime a dozen' (sure, normal bank employees in NY (ex. Maxima) or engineers in Silicon Valley were stars LOL), "I simply find Maxima, Masako, and several others much more intellectually and professionally impressive than Letizia" (Duke, I know those were not your comments) and etc. Masako did have more impressive academic record attending Harvard/Oxford, but Maxima and some others much more intellectually than Letizia, how so ? If those comment were not trying to put down Letizia (by calling her intellectual lightweight, what else can be ?
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Prove a point against Letizia"?? How about express an opinion in a very clear manner, and explain why I hold stated opinion while at the same time agreeing that your CP IS intelligent and accomplished?

Or is only honor and praise allowed?

Whatever, indeed.
Huh? Not following what you mean by honour and praise? Are we in the same XXI century?
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Good grief. This is starting to feel like the Inquisition.

Letizia is the most amazing, most brilliant, most accomplished of all the CP's who ever lived. No one is more impressive. Her marriage is perfect. Her children are perfect. Her hair is perfect. So are her feet.

Is that better?

You folks should warn non Leti worshipping posters that this is a FAN CLUB and dissent is not allowed. It's only fair.

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