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Old 10-19-2013, 12:04 PM
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Its someting that could have been avoided so easily, knowing exactly what would happen if only Letizia doesnt drink but looks annoyed into her cup. What is so difficult for the self proclaimed 'perfectionist' Letizia to order a glass of water or juice for herself. Its a good example of how she attracts such discussions because by now even the least intelligent person in Spain will have understood that the press is out there looking for such incidents.
And what if she just doesnīt care?
God, a person canīt be looking constantly at what sheīs doing to donīt ever make a wrong step.

This is getting very ridiculous. I donīt know any other CP that receives half the cricism Leti does for such an idiocy as "not drinking from her cup", and Iīm tired. I still have to see a discussion like this on the Dutch or Danish forums, for instance. Why the Spanish ones are full of this nonsense?

The woman didnīt drink from a cup of champagne, for goodness sake! We canīt condemn her for that!
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:17 PM
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And what if she just doesnīt care?
God, a person canīt be looking constantly at what sheīs doing to donīt ever make a wrong step.
I honestly think she doesnt. Because she cannot do please anybody anyway (something she tried at the beginning but stopped a long time ago). I don't think is bothered by Vanitatis or Cotilleando, either because you cannot stop people from having an opinion about you so you just do what you feel is right.

The only thing that can be dangerous is that her public image will suffer longterm, I am sure most people don't give a toss about Letizia or whether she was drinking from the cup or not. It's just that all the headlines create kind of a negative image or idea that sticks with people knowingly or unknowingly, it would be more helpful for Felipe to have a popular wife rather than an unpopular or controversial wife. Not that it will matter much in the end, but its an annoying side effect.
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By the way, Found this on a Spanish forum.

It seems that QEII and Barack Obama hate their countries too
That, or they donīt care at all about how unpopular they can become because of this "not-drinking-afte-the-toast".

Shameful, isnīt it? They should know all eyes are on them and this is going to make them unpopular, shouldnīt they?

(End of the irony)

[ 2011 ] US President Barack Obama suffers embarrassing toast mishap at Queen's banquet - YouTube
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And what if she just doesnīt care?
God, a person canīt be looking constantly at what sheīs doing to donīt ever make a wrong step.

This is getting very ridiculous. I donīt know any other CP that receives half the cricism Leti does for such an idiocy as "not drinking from her cup", and Iīm tired. I still have to see a discussion like this on the Dutch or Danish forums, for instance. Why the Spanish ones are full of this nonsense?

The woman didnīt drink from a cup of champagne, for goodness sake! We canīt condemn her for that!
You will see the same type of criticism on other boards if situations like the ones mentioned happen there.
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:12 PM
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You will see the same type of criticism on other boards if situations like the ones mentioned happen there.
Iīm having a hard time imagining Maxima, Mary or others being critizised SO HEAVILY on this forums for not drinking champagne during a toast, I really am

But since the very same situation hasnīt happen, youīre right, I canīt be 100% sure.

I only can judge from the general atmosphere towards ones and others princesses. And yes, I think Letizia receives far more criticism for situations that not only happen to others CP, but also inside the RF. As Lula said before, the Queen can disappear for a whole week and nobody will complain. But if Letizia does it, for some posters it seems the end of the world, as well as for the yellow press.
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:22 AM
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By the way, Found this on a Spanish forum.

It seems that QEII and Barack Obama hate their countries too
That, or they donīt care at all about how unpopular they can become because of this "not-drinking-afte-the-toast".

Shameful, isnīt it? They should know all eyes are on them and this is going to make them unpopular, shouldnīt they?

(End of the irony)

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its quite a different sight, btw. NOBODY of the protagonists is drinking, while in Spain ALL protagonists were drinking (except one), and honestly, I wouldn't have noticed too much, if Letizia had not looked into her glass as if something really disgusting was in it before putting it away. Well maybe there was but it still looks unfortunate.
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Is the Spanish press REALLY, seriously going on about Leti drinking/not drinking from a cup? I'm reading this thread and I don't think Christ himself got as much attention when he lifted that cup of wine at the Last Supper. Oh, wait. He drank. Never mind.
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:09 AM
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Iīm having a hard time imagining Maxima, Mary or others being critizised SO HEAVILY on this forums for not drinking champagne during a toast, I really am But since the very same situation hasnīt happen, youīre right, I canīt be 100% sure. I only can judge from the general atmosphere towards ones and others princesses. And yes, I think Letizia receives far more criticism for situations that not only happen to others CP, but also inside the RF. As Lula said before, the Queen can disappear for a whole week and nobody will complain. But if Letizia does it, for some posters it seems the end of the world, as well as for the yellow press.
You should take trip over to boards like Royal Dish to see the crap Mary (especially) and Maxima have to put up with as "criticisms". If you think the few posts here about Letizia and the not toasting are bad...
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:51 AM
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Iīm having a hard time imagining Maxima, Mary or others being critizised SO HEAVILY on this forums for not drinking champagne during a toast, I really am

But since the very same situation hasnīt happen, youīre right, I canīt be 100% sure.

I only can judge from the general atmosphere towards ones and others princesses. And yes, I think Letizia receives far more criticism for situations that not only happen to others CP, but also inside the RF. As Lula said before, the Queen can disappear for a whole week and nobody will complain. But if Letizia does it, for some posters it seems the end of the world, as well as for the yellow press.
There certainly is no other royal lady who receives so much negativity, especially in her own country, because in Spain there are some nasty articles that are far worse than any comment here on TRF. I do not want to repeat the stuff that I have read, it was really a load of trash thrown at Letizia, she is sometimes presented as if she was the personification of evil There are people who seem to have nothing better to do with their life than nag on famous people and try to damage their reputation. (In CP Letiziaīs case I believe it is also a way of distracting from the real problems in Spain, just like other forum members have already mentioned.)
I do not think that CP Letiziaīs actions would change anything about the negative press, no matter what she does, the haters will find a fault in her and create a scandal out of something completely insignificant and trivial.
Nevertheless I believe that CP Letizia is very popular, wherever she goes there are a lot of people who are happy to meet her, she has always done her best to fulfil her royal duties as good as possible! Itīs impossible to please everyone, there will always be some people who dislike or admire her...
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:04 AM
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There certainly is no other royal lady who receives so much negativity, especially in her own country, because in Spain there are some nasty articles that are far worse than any comment here on TRF. I do not want to repeat the stuff that I have read, it was really a load of trash thrown at Letizia, she is sometimes presented as if she was the personification of evil There are people who seem to have nothing better to do with their life than nag on famous people and try to damage their reputation. (In CP Letiziaīs case I believe it is also a way of distracting from the real problems in Spain, just like other forum members have already mentioned.)
I do not think that CP Letiziaīs actions would change anything about the negative press, no matter what she does, the haters will find a fault in her and create a scandal out of something completely insignificant and trivial.
Nevertheless I believe that CP Letizia is very popular, wherever she goes there are a lot of people who are happy to meet her, she has always done her best to fulfil her royal duties as good as possible! Itīs impossible to please everyone, there will always be some people who dislike or admire her...


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You should take trip over to boards like Royal Dish to see the crap Mary (especially) and Maxima have to put up with as "criticisms". If you think the few posts here about Letizia and the not toasting are bad...

See my previous post. Internet commentary for some of the other princesses is much worse than the majority of what is written about Letizia. They all have haters.
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There certainly is no other royal lady who receives so much negativity, especially in her own country, because in Spain there are some nasty articles that are far worse than any comment here on TRF.
That is what I find rather worrying about the attitude towards Letizia,yet Felipe is the beloved golden Prince.

I guess that nasty book by her cousin only fueled the fire of negativity towards the Princess.
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That is what I find rather worrying about the attitude towards Letizia,yet Felipe is the beloved golden Prince.

I guess that nasty book by her cousin only fueled the fire of negativity towards the Princess.
Why ? Felipe has always been a prince heartthrob in the Spanish speaking world , thus it's only logical that his wife easily becomes a target. Most of the attacks on Letizia initiated from a certain sector of tabloids or message boards, El Mundo is half serious, half tabloid. Since the summer, ABC has joined the full-swing anti-abdication campaign, of course they dare not openly attack Felipe yet, who knows what those old men would do if they become even more desperate. But even the monarchists are divided, if you look at another monarchist newspaper La Razon, it's on the opposite side of ABC.
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its quite a different sight, btw. NOBODY of the protagonists is drinking, while in Spain ALL protagonists were drinking (except one), and honestly, I wouldn't have noticed too much, if Letizia had not looked into her glass as if something really disgusting was in it before putting it away. Well maybe there was but it still looks unfortunate.
I doubt it's about a different sight, more about people. QEII didn't drink in many other occasions when others did, perhaps Obamas did the same. Letizia hasn't been drinking for years, why bring up the fuzz now ? ABC obviously has an agenda.
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Why ? Felipe has always been a prince heartthrob in the Spanish speaking world , thus it's only logical that his wife easily becomes a target. Most of the attacks on Letizia initiated from a certain sector of tabloids or message boards, El Mundo is half serious, half tabloid. Since the summer, ABC has joined the full-swing anti-abdication campaign, of course they dare not openly attack Felipe yet, who knows what those old men would do if they become even more desperate. But even the monarchists are divided, if you look at another monarchist newspaper La Razon, it's on the opposite side of ABC.
Why is it 'thus logical'?

Prince William has been a Prince heartthrob in the Anglophile world and the same 'logical' hasn't happened to his missus,quite the opposite infact.
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Prince William has been a Prince heartthrob in the Anglophile world and the same 'logical' hasn't happened to his missus,quite the opposite infact.
Well, Duchess of Cambridge had to endure some pretty nasty criticism before her marriage and also during their break-up. Also, she had the advantage of "only" being known as William's girlfriend. In fact, that is the only image people had of her. Throw in the fact that William suffered so much, people just wanted to live and witness a fairy tale. Also, William stated that he will protect his family from all kinds of media slurs and paparazzi nonsense. (Catherine even had a bodyguard long before the engagement)

The situation in Spain is drastically different. As stated hundreds of times in this thread, SRF didn't do anything to protect Letizia or her family. In fact, they prefered it (and apparently still do). And the fact that Letizia "rose" from the same ranks as the many people who are currently making the stories against her didn't help, either. With couple of really simple mishaps and the lack of the support of the SRF, she became the perfect target.
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Why is it 'thus logical'?

Prince William has been a Prince heartthrob in the Anglophile world and the same 'logical' hasn't happened to his missus,quite the opposite infact.
Because Prince William is the son of the late Lady Di, the victim of the paparazzi ... the Royal House and the British media have avoided a repeat of the story of Diana, constantly hounded by the paparazzi.

The case of Spain is very different. The prince, and especially his partners have always been exposed to the media, and the Royal House has never done anything to protect them. King Juan Carlos was protected by the press, and while such protection is maintained, has not cared. As has always protected blood members of the family, and has cared little that happen with the "in law", they are secondary.

Princess Letizia had the misfortune to come at a time when the gossip press was a million euro business with many power. She was the easy and weak target, because neither the king nor the royal house worried about protect and respect her... was more important than the press continue to silence other stories.

Queen Elizabeth learned from the mistakes and scandals, and things with Sophie and Catherine have been very different. King Juan Carlos, despite the scandals, seems stubbornly not change his attitude.
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Itīs so silly, she does her job without complaining, doesnīt talks to the press, smiles, but the littlest mistake, different facial expression is taken as big, big offence towards husband, country, family etc. etc. Lmao, you just sit there and canīt believe this.
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Why is it 'thus logical'?

Prince William has been a Prince heartthrob in the Anglophile world and the same 'logical' hasn't happened to his missus,quite the opposite infact.
There are plenty of nasty comments on Kate all over the message boards. Press is influenced by power, Kate has been much more protected by the British RF than Letizia ever was, even the scar on her head was being clarified by the RF. QEII has been well respected with exemplary behavior, her loyal supporters don't need to attack others to raise her profile, keep her on the throne.
I think at the beginning, JC and Zarzuela could have done something to protect Letizia and her family and he was powerful enough at that time (now it's a different story), but he didn't, perhaps he and his grey men felt threatened by the golden image of a young CP couple. Then came the corruption of Cristina and Inaki, the press speculated on the bad relation between sisters-in-law, it was better that the press blamed Letizia than his own daughter.
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If I recall correctly, Felipe did attend the lunch with Rajoy and the King, he didnt attend the lunch with Mrs Obama, only Letizia did with the Kings.
2013 was the first year Felipe had attended the lunch the Kings offered to the PM. I'm pretty sure it was the last minute change. Letizia left Marllorca because she told the head of Zarzuela she had an appointment in Madrid.
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The Royal House has expressed dissatisfaction with the way some of its members are covered in the press. Javier Ayuso, Director of Communications of the King's House , has sent letters to various media in which it expressed its dissatisfaction with the attitude of the press. In the letter, Ayuso is dissatisfied by two specific events that have occurred between the media and the royal family in recent weeks . The first is the "pursue" made ​​on the Princess of Asturias by several photographers on a motorcycle through the streets of Madrid when she was in his car. The second was made ​​to photograph the children of the Dukes of Palma in Geneva , while playing in a park in the city without the company of their parents.
La carta con la que Casa Real intenta condicionar a los medios - Noticias de Casas Reales
Letizia vive una persecución 'de película' en pleno centro de Madrid - Noticias de Casas Reales
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