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Old 07-10-2010, 04:16 AM
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The members of the Royal Family speak English from children, have had the opportunity of having english babysitters, to live and study out of Spain. Evidently the princess did not have this opportunity, and she could have an English's basic or intermediate level before her wedding, but she has worked in the last years to improve it, and to reach the level of the family.

The Princess belongs to a generation in which or you were a person with money that was going to a private school or was studying out of Spain, or you couldn´t learned english, because the level of the schools was low and some still were teaching French. That generation learned the language being adults, for labor needs. For the spanish it is not strange, the President does not speak english, the previous presidents were not speaking english... The dictatorship, and the isolation that produced, provoked that the english language was not studied, and though the years have passed, and the educational system has improved in this aspect, the english level of the spanish people continues being very low, specially among the adults. Now the situation with the children and the youth is different, many have english lessons of reinforcement and travel abroad to study.

The Spanish language is the second or third language of the world, one of the most studied, official in many international institutions... and it is a language in growth. So the Spanish Royal Family, needs to use less the English, that other royal families whose language only is spoken in their country.

The Queen has lived almost 50 years in Spain, yesterday I listened to her speaking with the sportsmen and she continues without having spanish accent, even there was a moment in which she had aproblem with the name of the city "Johannesburg", she was saying it in english and had to correct herself to say it in spanish.
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Old 07-10-2010, 04:24 AM
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PS: It must be hard for her. To learn a new language as she was learning the ways of her new life, keeping a hectic public schedule, babies and then personal tragedies like her sister's death.
jjkg, I agree with you about this. On top of all you've already mentioned, she also became CP of Spain, a politically complex country where there are plenty of critics of the monarchy.
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:02 AM
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To add to the list of people donnaK has mentioned, Letizia was also seen chatting quite animatedly with Carl Bildt, the current Foreign Minister and ex-Prime Minister of Sweden, at the wedding dinner of CP Victoria. He was seated to her left and I think, another Swedish man, to her right. Presumably, it was in English as Bildt probably does not speak fluent Spanish.

Since seating arrangements at these gatherings and dinner parties are probably put together with the interests and communication abilities of the guests in mind, I think it speaks volumes that she was seated next to Bildt.
I agree, they would not have seated a person whose only interest is fashiom next to the Prime Minister.
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Old 07-11-2010, 02:42 AM
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I basically agree with how lula has characterized Isabel in her previous posts. She's a complete loser, based on what circles she is coming from and what opportunities she had. During the years, lots of people have tried to help her, offerend job opportunities etc but nothing ever lasted longer than a few months. Now she's ended up talking to / working for the pink press, making use of her "connections". I wonder for how long...

There is no doubt that Isabel is starting her new "career" = financially exploiting her "friendship" to Letizia with the support of the Princes. Letizia didnt have to allow a "private" photo with her or approve the "friendship" subject for the Hola interview - the only subject that Hola was interested in. Maybe the Princes feel sorry for Isabel because she is short of money, Letizia already bought lots of bags from her handbag business a couple of years ago that has gone bust in the meantime. Its quite disturbing that the Princes actively use the media to benefit one of their friends. They could as well have paid her off to remain silent, would have been more dignified for everybody involved.

Whether Isabel would have been a good Princess, I don't know. Sometimes its far better to be an "insider" like her (Letizia still comes across as an "outsider" in the family to this very day) and it doesnt really matter if you are academically intelligent or not as a royal since lots of it, especially for women, is wearing nice clothes and posing for pictures, some small talk will do (something Letizia, who had a competitive professional career as a journalist, still seems to be struggling with). Yes Isabel is lazy and unstable but it could have worked for her advantage as Felipe's wife within the structure of the Royal House that wants their women to be submissive, silent and produce a preferrably male heir.
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Old 07-11-2010, 05:00 AM
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Really I am bored of reading certain comments. I do not doubt that the King is machist, for age and education, but it does not mean that all the members of the House of the King or the Spanish are. And I do not also believe, that they are desperate for a male, because then all we would have a serious political problem.

What in Spain we have very clearly, is that it is necessary to differ between who occupies a position, and the wife or husband. In the Royal Family there are no persons who have had a more secondary role that the husbands of the Infantas, who have never had an act in solitarily, and they are men. Every person must have the responsibility that corresponds to him or her, and if the person tries to have more, we will criticize him or her.

Queen Sofia is very far from being a submissive woman, she is tremendously responsible towards the Monarchy and towards her children, submissive not. She has managed to make her own life, has acquired her own challenges. She knows that her husband and her son are the protagonists of the Monarchy and that she is there to help them, sometimes from a secondary role, sometimes from a principal role. And she does it well in both circumstances. Probably, only the history will discover how importantly has been the influence of this woman in the history of Spain.

But that it is only a part of her work, her official activity, there is other one very important, she directs and controls personally her own foundation, which invests every year more than one million Euros in social causes around the world, and that is developing in Spain a very important project for the fight against the Alzheimer. Probably her work does not have the repercussion that had to, maybe if she was organizing big parties to collect money or was looking for the support of famous people, she would have it ... but it has never been her way. She is the discreet woman, who can move all her influences to help the others and to support the projects in which she believes.
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Old 07-11-2010, 05:45 AM
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Although its getting a bit off topic, I'd like to respond to the "Sofia" part.

JC married Sofia for some reasons, one being (and Franco especially liked that part) that she is 100% royal, an "insider", daughter of the Kings of Greece. She also brought along a lot of money, her own money.

Unlike some girlfriend of Felipe or even his wife, Sofia already was somebody when she came into the family, royal and rich, still is somebody, even without JC. Sofia is not a social climber, somebody who makes use of / is interested in the benefits of the institution. And Sofia knows who she is, what has a trendendous impact on her self confidence and her work, and is respected for who she is. Its still a difference if you are Princess Sofia of Greece and become Queen or if you are Letizia Ortiz or Daniel Westling etc, happen to marry a royal and all of a sudden people have to address you as Princess Letizia or Prince Daniel, the same people who have seen you at the grocery store only a few months ago.

Yet Sofia is not outspoken, but only because unlike other royal houses, the Spanish do not want the consort to talk. Even in Sofia's case, a fact that she had to learn again at the age of 70 in connection to the polemic surrounding her authorized biography.

When Letizia did her engagement interviews, it appeared that she thought that her role would develop into a role a la Rania (speaking out on certain topics, tackling issues etc), a complete misjudgement from her side and maybe even Felipe's side, or naitivity.

Fact is that the institution forces the female consort into a certain line that I wouldn't call modern. Women who were born into the royal or noble world, may find it easier or even normal to deal with this kind of life. Women like Letizia, independent and with a professional career, might struggle, because what is appreciated in the "normal" world isnt worth anything in the royal world.

I am not saying that anything was easy for Sofia but at least she didnt have to deal with an identity crisis.
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Old 07-11-2010, 06:44 AM
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All this makes me wonder if Felipe really is the father of Isabel's daughter, Mencia. It would explain the push to get good PR for Isabel on their part to get her some cash coming in that doesn't come out of their pocket. Or, Isabel has a sex tape starring Felipe, lol, and he doesn't want it getting out. :)-
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Really I am bored of reading certain comments. I do not doubt that the King is machist, for age and education, but it does not mean that all the members of the House of the King or the Spanish are. And I do not also believe, that they are desperate for a male, because then all we would have a serious political problem.

What in Spain we have very clearly, is that it is necessary to differ between who occupies a position, and the wife or husband. In the Royal Family there are no persons who have had a more secondary role that the husbands of the Infantas, who have never had an act in solitarily, and they are men. Every person must have the responsibility that corresponds to him or her, and if the person tries to have more, we will criticize him or her.

Queen Sofia is very far from being a submissive woman, she is tremendously responsible towards the Monarchy and towards her children, submissive not. She has managed to make her own life, has acquired her own challenges. She knows that her husband and her son are the protagonists of the Monarchy and that she is there to help them, sometimes from a secondary role, sometimes from a principal role. And she does it well in both circumstances. Probably, only the history will discover how importantly has been the influence of this woman in the history of Spain.

But that it is only a part of her work, her official activity, there is other one very important, she directs and controls personally her own foundation, which invests every year more than one million Euros in social causes around the world, and that is developing in Spain a very important project for the fight against the Alzheimer. Probably her work does not have the repercussion that had to, maybe if she was organizing big parties to collect money or was looking for the support of famous people, she would have it ... but it has never been her way. She is the discreet woman, who can move all her influences to help the others and to support the projects in which she believes.
Lula, I really admire the way you try to explain things from a spanish perspective with so much patience and class
I think they are trying to build Letizia up slowly. She had no solo acts in the beginning- now she does. She didnt travel overseas alone for work before, she went to Germany recently. Of course its not such a big deal and it was only the once but that is how the court seems to work. I have no doubt that in 10 years or so, Letizia will definitetly have more work to do and will be given as much importance as Sofia is now. She is the Cp, yes, probably also the member who draws the most crowds (apart from Leonor and Sofia jr) but I like how she is being shown as someone who will have to go through the stages. IMO,it makes no sense for a woman to show up on the royal scene and have her own foundation within a few years. It adds more validity in my eyes if a princess is at least shown to work for it.
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and the identity crisis some have referred to is only in the eyes of some posters. Neither Letizia nor any reliable source has ever said anything about her role more than she wants to work hard for spain. everything else is conjecture and assumption. but getting back to topic, its nice if Letizia did indeed buy handbags from Isabel or is trying to quietly help her. She must be very secure in her marriage to be going out of her way to be kind to her husband's ex- not too many ppl would do that.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:05 AM
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This Royal Family is of long-term projects. The Foundation of the Queen will not end with her, it is established that the next Queen continues with it.

There would not have been understood that the princess had an excessive protagonism and responsibility from the beginning, it had to be something progressive. The role of Princess did not exist and the husbands of the Infantas did not have official role.
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All this makes me wonder if Felipe really is the father of Isabel's daughter, Mencia. It would explain the push to get good PR for Isabel on their part to get her some cash coming in that doesn't come out of their pocket. Or, Isabel has a sex tape starring Felipe, lol, and he doesn't want it getting out. :)-
Oh God...I am sorry but can you imagine??!!

The ONE THING that would knock Tiger Woods and his various bimbos out of the headlines here!!
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Sorry for my English! I saw this pictures of September 1999 of Felipe with a mysterious woman in a boat and then having dinner... wasn´t he ALREADY dating Eva Sannum at that time?? The pics are from scanpix.no.
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