Prince and Princess of Asturias's Official Visit to China: November 14-16, 2007


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I don't give anyone a pass based on their employment. Many people get their jobs, be it journalist or VP, based on connections. It does not mean they are more intelligent or have a better grasp of disciplines, it is more likely they knew how to play the game to get the job. The jury is still out for me on who is the best and brightest of the CPs, I think they all bring a uniqueness to the table and the majority are not ignorant. JMO
 
Thanks you Adelaide:flowers: Like I said, I am almost 100% sure that Princess Letizia is having discussions of her own with the ladies/businesswomen/politicians just perhaps it is not being covered by the press and being a fotmer journalist means she will have a good grasp of all the facts she needs to put her point across and encourage mutual trade and investment. These ladies that Ltizia is mixing with are also married to very impotant men and will have their own influence, so Letizia can perhaps raise in private things that may not be able to be raised publicly. This is what diplomacy is - oiling the wheels.

Yamamah, welcome to join the forum. I like Felipe and Letizia too. While I agree with you most of what you said, I have to disagree with you in this regards:

In China, politicians' wives are seldome present in this kind of occasions. They generally have much lower profile than politicians' wives in other countries. So I wouldn't be surprised if Letizia didn't meet any of them. That's not Letizia's issue. It's Chinese government's issue. These wives may not be socially or politically adept at receiving international guests. Plus, after Jiang Ching, the Communist government is probably very reluctant to have any wives taking the spotlight.

Second point is from a feminism point of view. Why should a crown princess only mingle with the wives of politicians? As we all know, men still dominate politics and economics around the world. So why couldn't a crown princess sit in power meetings with these political leaders and economic movers along side her husband? Why should a crown princess as capable, professional and knowledgable as Letizia go with the wives of politicians' wives to visit kindergartens or hospitals or sightsee? She might not speak a word at the power meetings but she could learn the issues and the diplomatic double talks. This may build her creditial for a bigger role later. I personally dislike the fact that royal women are always delegated to hospitals and kindergartens.
 
I don't give anyone a pass based on their employment. Many people get their jobs, be it journalist or VP, based on connections. It does not mean they are more intelligent or have a better grasp of disciplines, it is more likely they knew how to play the game to get the job.

Letizia didn't just "get the job". She climbed to the highest level of her profession at the age of 31. You don't get there in a cutthroat profession such as television journalism by connections.
 
I don't give anyone a pass based on their employment. Many people get their jobs, be it journalist or VP, based on connections. It does not mean they are more intelligent or have a better grasp of disciplines, it is more likely they knew how to play the game to get the job. The jury is still out for me on who is the best and brightest of the CPs, I think they all bring a uniqueness to the table and the majority are not ignorant. JMO

I don't think a journalist, espcially one who is a television journalist that is viewed by millions of people, could survive if she/he is incompetent. Also, the best and brightest are not necessarily the most well-informed.
 
What language did they speak while on this trip?
 
Wow, are you all seriously complaining about fashion talk and a lack of coverage here? And is the latter one lèse-majesté?? Honestly I went through this thread and there was no link to a speech by Felipe or to a decent English newspaper article on this trip. IMO there is hardly a basis for discussing anything else than the clothes they put on.
And about the press coverage: C´est ca! Journalism is a business too and Letizia sure knows this. It´s just legitimate if newspapers, photo agencies etc. make up a coast-benefit analysis and decide not to send their folks to China because: China or Spain what´s the difference if Felipe and Letizia are just sitting in grey clothes in front of some banners with Felipe occasionally delivering a speech? The walk through the forbidden city sure was a nice start to change this, but it seems this did not yet convince many agencies.
Just to bring up a recent example that might escaped your notice. In June Philippe and Mathilde went on an economic trip to China too, accompanied by 200 Belgian businessmen. They managed to include some nice pictures opportunities and they had lots of photographers and journalists (Chinese and Belgians) following them. And according to some posts here this strategy can now be labelled as frivolous and touristy element. I guess Philippe and Mathilde would laugh and remember all these receptions and galas (7 within 11 days) they attended to improve the Belgian image and the relationship with China. They will probably remember they had their breakfast scheduled at 5AM in order to get the flights to the next cities they are visiting and they would think of the many, many business meetings they attend. Posing for the photographers in front of some nice sights like the forbidden city in Shenyang actually was just a tiny part of their activities during this trip - but it made the difference for the photographers. And the same goes for Haakon and Mette-Marit during their business trips. This is how media is working these days and I see no reason to label it as touristy which sounds to me like implying they are doing unserious things and wasting time.

And concerning Letizia´s role during this trip: If I read things like “She is probably the most well-informed among the crown princesses “ Sorry, this does not convince me at all. You cannot proof it is so, because all we see is Letizia sitting with closed lips next to her hubby. And I certainly cannot proof other crown princesses, and I am thinking of Mette-Marit and Mathilde here, who do similar business trips are better prepared. But I think preparing the speeches they are giving in person takes time too, not to mention they are also well prepared for the things they visit with their husbands. And yes Mathilde did not accompany Philippe in China when he met political key players during daytime events. Poor her, according to some of you she now has no idea about political issues and diplomatic double talks. But as an UNAids representative she went to an AIDS project in Beijing, delivered a speech, talked to Aids-patients and planted a tree with them. A silly woman program in your eyes, but I´m sure this gesture of appraisal meant a lot to highly discriminated HIV patients she met.

Don´t get me wrong - even if I think Letizia could do a lot more than sitting next to her hubby I´m respecting the Spanish way to perform these trips. They sure have their reasons for doing so and this deserves respect. BUT for some of you respect seems to be a one way road. Everything has to be done the F+L way, and if not it´s wrong. Believe me, there are many ways to organize these business trips and even your busy and serious Spanish power team can improve the one or the other thing – and the result probably would be more press coverage, tons of nice pictures and happy TRF members. ;)
 
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Johann, if you want articles in Spanish I put you dozens, and all the speeches of the Prince in Spanish. Donna also has put the link to some news in Chinese.

Also I can remember you that the Princes of Asturias already were in China little more than one year ago, in a trip in which they met all the authorities of the country, and that the Kings of Spain were there this year.

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f11/official-trip-china-july-12-14-2006-a-10187.html
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f21/state-visit-china-june-24-29-2007-a-13012.html

In my opinion, for my as citizen, I believe that the trips of the authorities are Kings, Princes or leaders must be limited, that they can do a gesture for the nice photography or the anecdote, but I do not understand the long trips where the half of the activities they are more tourist than political. And I do not understand it because they are trips paid with public money.

Every Royal House has its way of acting and its priorities, and I remember you that this one is the forum of the Princes of Asturias, not of the Belgians, not of the Norwegians...

For my most important of this trip, they are not the photos, among other things, because this year in Spain we are bored of seeing all the authorities of the country in China. The important thing is that there have been closed a few economic very important agreements for the Spanish businessmen. The important thing is that thousands of persons visit an exhibition of the Royal palace of Madrid in the Forbidden City, the important thing is that in Shangai there is a library Cervantes the first step to open an Institute Cervantes, the form that has Spain of spreading its culture and its language.

Another explanation. It does not matter for me if the Princess makes acts alone or with the Prince in this trip, if they can make the activities united why to do them separately?... Another explanation, if someone has detained to follow the activities of the Spanish Royal Family and specially of the Queen Sofía, will realize that in Spain the members of the Royal Family, do not operate as representatives of the United Nations for a thing or other one. The Queen does trips and visits projects always linked or to her Foundation and its projects or to the Spanish Cooperation.
 
Johann, if you want articles in Spanish I put you dozens, and all the speeches of the Prince in Spanish. Donna also has put the link to some news in Chinese.
Yes, but actually the language here is English and probably the majority of TRF members here (count me in) are not Spanish speakers, so it´s not overly surprising to me that the discussion is limited to clothes talk.
Also I can remember you that the Princes of Asturias already were in China little more than one year ago, in a trip in which they met all the authorities of the country, and that the Kings of Spain were there this year.

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f11/official-trip-china-july-12-14-2006-a-10187.html
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f21/state-visit-china-june-24-29-2007-a-13012.html
I know, this was pointed out here already. But since the lack of coverage is such a big deal here: I´m still convinced the trip would have gotten more coverage if the program would have been more "interesting" or if Letizia would have done solo activities – in this case it would have been completely irrelevant if they have been in China already. Wrong or right - this is just the way the media business works.
In my opinion, for my as citizen, I believe that the trips of the authorities are Kings, Princes or leaders must be limited, that they can do a gesture for the nice photography or the anecdote, but I do not understand the long trips where the half of the activities they are more tourist than political. And I do not understand it because they are trips paid with public money.
Can you bring up an example of this long and touristic trips?
Every Royal House has its way of acting and its priorities, and I remember you that this one is the forum of the Princes of Asturias, not of the Belgians, not of the Norwegians...
Oh thanks for remembering me, believe me I´m very well aware of this. But many posters here have no problem with pointing out that Letizia is so well-prepared compared to other woman in her position or that this trip is so serious compared to others. Doing so seems to be very welcome here, so I think I´m entitled to compare too and provide examples as basis for a discussion.
For my most important of this trip, they are not the photos, among other things, because this year in Spain we are bored of seeing all the authorities of the country in China. The important thing is that there have been closed a few economic very important agreements for the Spanish businessmen. The important thing is that thousands of persons visit an exhibition of the Royal palace of Madrid in the Forbidden City, the important thing is that in Shangai there is a library Cervantes the first step to open an Institute Cervantes, the form that has Spain of spreading its culture and its language.
Ah well, the same also goes for citizens of other monarchies I guess, this is not unique IMO. But nevertheless some nice pictures never harm. ;) And I think the discussion here is a proof for this.
Another explanation. It does not matter for me if the Princess makes acts alone or with the Prince in this trip, if they can make the activities united why to do them separately?... Another explanation, if someone has detained to follow the activities of the Spanish Royal Family and specially of the Queen Sofía, will realize that in Spain the members of the Royal Family, do not operate as representatives of the United Nations for a thing or other one. The Queen does trips and visits projects always linked or to her Foundation and its projects or to the Spanish Cooperation.
And? Did I imply Letizia has to take over a function at the UN? I think I pointed out I respect the team idea. What I don´t understand is that many members here think the team idea is the one and only way to handle things - and graciously devalue the work of those couples who have another approach to these trips.
 
Another explanation, if someone has detained to follow the activities of the Spanish Royal Family and specially of the Queen Sofía, will realize that in Spain the members of the Royal Family, do not operate as representatives of the United Nations for a thing or other one. The Queen does trips and visits projects always linked or to her Foundation and its projects or to the Spanish Cooperation.
Im not a specialist on the spanish royal family but Im pretty sure Infanta Cristina is a member of the family

As Honorary President of the Spanish Committee of UNESCO, she has maintained her links with this international organisation and with several of its projects, especially educational ones, with the focus on activities to protect the natural and artistic heritage. In October 2001, she was appointed Goodwill Ambassador to the United Nations for the 2nd World Assembly on Ageing. She is also a member of the Dali Foundation Board of Trustees.
 
Larzen, my reference is to the international trips. The Infanta Cristina is a representative of the SPANISH Committee of UNESCO, and the Prince also has collaborated in the year of the Voluntary work, but none crosses the world as representatives or ambassadors of the United Nations. When they realize trips or visit projects of cooperation, are going as representatives of the Spanish State to visit projects of the Spanish Cooperation or of spanish NGO.

Johann, then the problem is not that there is no information, is that there is no information in the language of this forum. Like the problem is that it is difficult to have access to photos of good quality of the agency EFE, which is the public Spanish agency, and that sure has done many photos of this trip ( Whereas for example, in the Belgian case, there is a free access to the Belgian agency).

To use the Princess to attract to the press is very easy,and though the press often works this way, it is not wrong that also devote themselves to the important thing. Assurance that if the Princes had dedicated a few minutes to commenting on the separation of the Infanta Elena they had had hours of television.

What your you do not value for my is essential. The agencies of press, the newspapers, the televisions ... not always they can send people to all the places. If it is celebrated the year of Spain in China, and the Kings travel, and the Princes travel two times, and all the ministers of the government travel, and there travel the Presidents of Autonomous Communities ... there is no economy that allows to give coverage to all these trips. The first trip of the Princes had very much follow-up, that of the Kings also ... and it is normal that this one has had less, because was less important. More when last week the whole press that follows habitually the Royal Family was in Chile.

On the other hand, this week between Chavez and the separation of the Infanta Elena, the trip of the Princes stayed on the second plane,the press has limited itself to commenting on the economic achievements of the trip and the development of the cultural activities ... and really I, for once, am grateful for it.
 
Don't like a bit how nowadays Monarchs are acting publicly. They seems more Yuppies or enterprises directors than Kings and Queens. There is not a disident voice contesting establishment among them...but well. If they speaks too high they could be fired. :mad:

And the fact that Princess Letizia was not a housewife or a noblewoman before mattying but a journalist in TV doesn't make her intelligent. It makes her "modern", but just that. I've never read or heard anything from her that could be considering as her own toughts , but the one of establishment. Sorry...I can't lie. :neutral: Her wrardrobe doesn't interest me an awfull much, even if I think it is mportant for a Princess to look ..well...like a Princess.

Vanesa.
 
Vanesa, not modern, not intelligent ... it makes her a person with a studies, a good formation in her profession ... profession that on the other hand was forcing her to know what every day happened in the world and sometimes to live through it directly. It undoubtedly contributes knowledge and experiences.

The members of a Royal Family do not speak for themselves, speak for an institution that occupies the Headquarters of the State ... and there are great the elements that determine the role that every person must play in every moment. The Monarchies in Europe are Constitutional Monarchies, the Kings reign but do not govern. They represent, they moderate, but they do not decide do not impose.
 
Vanesa, not modern, not intelligent ... it makes her a person with a studies, a good formation in her profession ... profession that on the other hand was forcing her to know what every day happened in the world and sometimes to live through it directly. It undoubtedly contributes knowledge and experiences.

A newscaster has to be able to present what is given to them and to do it with finesse. In the US it requires reading a prompter, a skill I will admit. There is no proof that all the other CP's are not reading the news and keeping up with world events any less than Letizia.

Letizia didn't just "get the job". She climbed to the highest level of her profession at the age of 31. You don't get there in a cutthroat profession such as television journalism by connections.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree about this topic.


Letizia is emerging and I think this is interesting, I am waiting to see if she lives up to her fans hype. She is very attractive and has cute babies, she also has a beautiful voice when she is allowed to speak. I will also admit that I found her taste in clothes jaw dropping beautiful in the first year. I think it is sad that she cannot be seen as one of the many talented CP's, instead of elevating her over the rest, after all the rest have been tested in many ways already.
 
Vanesa, not modern, not intelligent ... it makes her a person with a studies, a good formation in her profession ... profession that on the other hand was forcing her to know what every day happened in the world and sometimes to live through it directly. It undoubtedly contributes knowledge and experiences.

The members of a Royal Family do not speak for themselves, speak for an institution that occupies the Headquarters of the State ... and there are great the elements that determine the role that every person must play in every moment. The Monarchies in Europe are Constitutional Monarchies, the Kings reign but do not govern. They represent, they moderate, but they do not decide do not impose.


Lula, I really like the way you explain this :flowers:
 
I think I pointed out I respect the team idea. What I don´t understand is that many members here think the team idea is the one and only way to handle things - and graciously devalue the work of those couples who have another approach to these trips.

Before you went into long posts about perceived sligh of other crown princesses, it would be good if you can quote the posts you found offensive. Because I don't remember any posts here that said the team approach F&L do is the "one and only way" to handle things.

Just in case you're responding to my post, I didn't say the team approach is the "one and only way" to handle things. I made a generic philosophisical comment about my dislike of relegating all royal women to kindergartens and hospitals (the traditional women's role: mother and caretaker). I asked why a crown princess as capable, professional and knowledgable as Letizia couldn't sit in these power meetings with men. That's a far cry from insisting that this is the "one and only way" to handle things.

I also didn't make any implications that Mathilde's visit of AIDS patients was unimportant. This is the folder for Spanish royal family, not Belgian. No need to bring up slighs that do not exist. I just don't like the conventional widsom that ALWAYS relegate women to the gender-stereotypical role on principle. I don't see the husband of female presidents visit babies and patients on foreign trips. It's my feminist side speaking. This has nothing to do with Letizia or Mathilde. No need to jump into Mathilde's deffense.
 
A newscaster has to be able to present what is given to them and to do it with finesse. In the US it requires reading a prompter, a skill I will admit. There is no proof that all the other CP's are not reading the news and keeping up with world events any less than Letizia.

Gaia, I believe that you are bad enough informed. Beside reading the prompter, Letizia was reporter for several years. She was employed at newspapers and at television. She informed about the elections in The United States, about political summits, the most important ecological disaster of the history of Spain or about the war of Iraq.

A journalist, though only reads news is forced to know what happens in the world ... a person who does not have this work can live without reading newspapers or seeing news.
 
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I do not know the individual scores of the princesses IQ tests all i was saying is that Letizia is a post graduate, was very successful in her career and is obviously a competent and professional lady who married into a family with big standards of protocol that she upholds. If that means respecting local customs and culture, say in a country that does not encourage women to hold top jobs, then it is not her place to make a protest and embarrass the Spanish monarchy and the Spanish state.

I too agree that too often royal ladies get sidelined into kindergartens openings etc which is nice publicity but as most monarchies are somewhat for 'show', as long as the princesses observe protocol and add their touch to the occasions, does it matter if he speaks or she speaks? Letizia's track record before marriage speaks for itself and I am sure she is just as capable as Prince Felipe, is given the same information and briefings about country visits but as we all know it can't be pure business 100% of the time or people would get bored and switch off, so the princess shows a personal side to the monarchy, a warmer softer side which is as imprtant as the 'hard' business that Felipe has carried out. There was a book some time ago about EQ or emotional intelligence and how it is just as important in business as IQ.
 
A newscaster has to be able to present what is given to them and to do it with finesse. In the US it requires reading a prompter, a skill I will admit. There is no proof that all the other CP's are not reading the news and keeping up with world events any less than Letizia.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about this topic.

In US, all news anchors have to have years of reporting from the field before becoming an anchor. That seems to be the road Letizia had to go through. To belittle news anchor job to "reading a prompter" is awfully ignorant.

She reported on some of the biggest news story of early 21th century, 2000 US presidential election, 9/11 World Trade Center, Iraq War. If she's incompetent, she would not have gotten to the anchor chair no matter how many connections she had. The fact that she rose to the top faster than others said something about her competency and capability. We don't know whether other crown princesses are "reading the news and keeping up with world events". But we do know Letizia has an unique professional training and education that guarantee she is.
 
Perhaps that her husband takes the lead is seen as a bad thing by some people but usually this is the way in the european royal houses, the one who is born of royal blood always takes precedence over the one who married in, for example Queen Elizabeth of Britain and the Duke of Edinburgh.

I get your point yamamah but you have chosen the wrong example :flowers:

1. The Duke of Edinburgh is a born Prince of Greece and Denmark, meaning he has been bearing the HRH title because of his royal birth and not because he married Princess Elizabeth.
2. The Duke of Edinburgh is one of the most active and influential spouses ever around, probably because he has been born into royalty but also because of his personality; he might go second when being with his wife but apart from that he has done and still does countless solo events and patronages, therefore please allow me to say that in my opinion there is simply no basis for any comparison between the position of Prince Philip and Princess Letizia as royal spouses.
 
Imo it is not true that the European Royal ladies get sidelined.
Does anybody think that Queen Elisabeth, or all the other Queens are?
I think that the husbands (for example Philippe of Edmburgh), and the wives (like Letizia) of the royal members always have a less important role and fewer activities than their wives/husbands, no matters if they are men or women. This happens in every Royal family.
 
I get your point yamamah but you have chosen the wrong example :flowers:

1. The Duke of Edinburgh is a born Prince of Greece and Denmark, meaning he has been bearing the HRH title because of his royal birth and not because he married Princess Elizabeth.
2. The Duke of Edinburgh is one of the most active and influential spouses ever around, probably because he has been born into royalty but also because of his personality; he might go second when being with his wife but apart from that he has done and still does countless solo events and patronages, therefore please allow me to say that in my opinion there is simply no basis for any comparison between the position of Prince Philip and Princess Letizia as royal spouses.

Thank you for explaining this me duke:flowers:. I meant that the most important one to the country goes first but all royal spouses have influence. prince Phillip has a very strong personality i think. i was trying to say because Prince Phillip wasn't from British royalty directly and married the heir to the throne he would always come second publicly.
 
Imo it is not true that the European Royal ladies get sidelined.
Does anybody think that Queen Elisabeth, or all the other Queens are?
I think that the husbands (for example Philippe of Edmburgh), and the wives (like Letizia) of the royal members always have a less important role and fewer activities than their wives/husbands, no matters if they are men or women. This happens in every Royal family.

Naturally not the queens but the princesses, quite a lot of the time i think, they have to do the things that show 'soft skills', although i think Queen Sofia is naturally quite warm and almost like a mother in her manner to everyone.
 
In certain way, I believe that many commentaries of those who take place here are for lack of information or perspective.

Of information, because I am accustomed to reading news of every activity of the Princes, of journalists who accompany them habitually, of persons who accompany them in their visits ... and the labor of the Princess remains clear in all of them. On the one hand, the good influence that has had in the Prince, who has turned into a more accessible person ... and on the other hand her knowledge of the topics and her interest to know more. They are commentaries that repeat constant.

Of perspective because sometimes we forget which is the real role of the colitigants. She begins to have her activities in solitarily and she will have more in a future, and it is something important, and I am sure that she will end up by developing a good long-term project. But it will not have importance if she is not a support that stimulates the Prince in his work, because finally it is the important thing. If the Prince fails, it trumps everything.
 
Naturally not the queens but the princesses, quite a lot of the time i think, they have to do the things that show 'soft skills', although i think Queen Sofia is naturally quite warm and almost like a mother in her manner to everyone.
Do you think that Princess Anne of England has soft skills?;)
I think she works even more than Andrew and Edward, without soft skills IMO!
 
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Do you think that Princess Anne of England has soft skills?;)
I think she works even more than Andrew and Edward, without soft skills IMO!

Definitely not! :lol: But she is not married to the heir to the throne or will ever be direct heir to the throne herself. She is very hard worker for sure but she never won 'most popular princess' title (don't think she cares anyway) but hard work alone does not win people's hearts and the royal family were a lot more stiff until someone like diana came along and shocked them with her charm and popularity as wife to the heir to the throne :lol: I think princess anne likes horses more than people :lol:
 
is Letizia a patron of any entity involved in this trip? has she given a speech? anything? what else are we supposed to talk about then? :rolleyes:
i agree. as much as some of us would like to talk about something else (what did she say in her speech? did she do any activities concerning any of her interests as a royal? how did she perform her royal role with them? did she achieve something?), we didn't have much opportunity in this trip. she didn't either mention anything (well, in 90% of the times they attend they don't do so) to the press we can talk about and debate. that's why we concentrate on fashion and what she is wearing. it's really not our fault. it's the lack of substance that forces up to deepen in the more trivial aspects of the trip.

Agree 100 % !!!

johann
And concerning Letizia´s role during this trip: If I read things like “She is probably the most well-informed among the crown princesses “ Sorry, this does not convince me at all. You cannot proof it is so, because all we see is Letizia sitting with closed lips next to her hubby. And I certainly cannot proof other crown princesses, and I am thinking of Mette-Marit and Mathilde here, who do similar business trips are better prepared.

Agree 100 % !!!
I don't say that Letizia is not well informed or not on top of things but since her marriage she has only done a handful of solo events and read two or three speeches from a paper. She did that well but hey, it should be an easy task for a former newsreader. Unless she is allowed to show what other CPs have already shown (Maxima, Mathilde, Mette Marit etc - eg solo trips abroad) we have no idea what Letizia is capable of and will concentrate on her fashion, as Crisinaki & Carlota have stated above. And in terms of Letizia being seriously involved in heavy networking with chinese officials' wives, sorry, I don't believe that a second - it's maybe wishful thinking of those who think that the most well informed CP ever around must somehow have contributed to the success of this trip and as we couldn't see anything on pics it must have happened behind the scenes :rolleyes:

Letizia's background in journalism certainly helps but that doesn't make her a more suitable or intelligent CP than others and I find it a bit exaggerated to claim that Letizia had reached the height of her profession at the age of 31. With all due respect, she did have a good career but that's it.
 
In certain way, I believe that many commentaries of those who take place here are for lack of information or perspective.

Of information, because I am accustomed to reading news of every activity of the Princes, of journalists who accompany them habitually, of persons who accompany them in their visits ... and the labor of the Princess remains clear in all of them. On the one hand, the good influence that has had in the Prince, who has turned into a more accessible person ... and on the other hand her knowledge of the topics and her interest to know more. They are commentaries that repeat constant.

Of perspective because sometimes we forget which is the real role of the colitigants. She begins to have her activities in solitarily and she will have more in a future, and it is something important, and I am sure that she will end up by developing a good long-term project. But it will not have importance if she is not a support that stimulates the Prince in his work, because finally it is the important thing. If the Prince fails, it trumps everything.

i wonder too if it is a deliberate plan by the SRF to give Letizia 'on the job training' by letting her follow her husband's lead until she feels ready to accept more solo roles. Also she is the mother of small children and so perhaps when the babies are bigger she will want to increase her roles. Sh has started already and i think she will do a very good job at solo activities.
 
Agree 100 % !!!



And in terms of Letizia being seriously involved in heavy networking with chinese officials' wives, sorry, I don't believe that a second - it's maybe wishful thinking of those who think that the most well informed CP ever around must somehow have contributed to the success of this trip and as we couldn't see anything on pics it must have happened behind the scenes :rolleyes:

I mean it as it is the usual things that any career diplomat's wife would do, so why not Princess Letizia? What is wrong with her just being on the trip to support her husband? Lots of wives do that.
 
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Duke, please, do not be hypocritical;), when the Princess goes to to an act with young people with Down's Syndrome, you continue commenting on the clothes. In spite of the fact that the Princess, had the detail while the child with Down's Syndrome were speaking to be writing in her speech at the commentaries to do personal references to each of them. And her acts in solitary are not different from those of other Princesses. But now that has acts in solitarily, turns out to be that it does not value because the princesses only demonstrate anything when they do trips in solitarily. According to the Princess advances, the excuse is changing.:rolleyes:

Certainly, the Prince has done numerous speeches in this trip, has met political and managerial Chinese representatives ... but it is not interested either, commentary nor deserves ... better we comment if he repeats tie.:lol:
 
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Thank you for explaining this me duke:flowers:. I meant that the most important one to the country goes first but all royal spouses have influence. prince Phillip has a very strong personality i think. i was trying to say because Prince Phillip wasn't from British royalty directly and married the heir to the throne he would always come second publicly.

:flowers:You are right of course. QE II comes first; I just wanted to state that Philip has been HRH by birth and is a heavyweight as spouse that I don't think can be matched in terms of number or quality of events and influence and his strong personality has been essential for his survival in the House of Windsor looking at the features of his wife and mother in law ;)
 
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