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Old 07-26-2006, 12:50 AM
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Thank you ever so much LaChica for those scans.

I have little to no knowledge of French, but I put one of the pages through two online translators and came up with the following (French members of the board please feel free to correct it!)

This is the page: http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=pdv11.JPG

She adores her husband, that is not a doubt. She overflows of affection for him. Just see these glances of love that she gives him. This couple will resist all, I am convinced by it. Their relationship is not a simple fling born around a swimming pool or at a garden-party. This couple is linked by a difficult history. They crossed tests, building a history. Felipe had to convince his parents, his family, Spain, and even a Prime Minister skeptic, even hostile with this union.

On Letizia's side, she was in love to the point of puting her past as a divorced woman on the public place. This media over-exposure could have destroyed her. But this woman has character, passion.
Hello everyone,

Thanks for the scans, as I couldn't find the magazine in bookshops even here in France.

Here is the context of the article : they ( Point de Vue ) gave George Chetochine a full 2 years of photos of the Princes and ask for an analysis.
G. Chetochine is a guy who analyses photos and films of celebritties or political people to say how they truly feel, because for him everything you feel is in the way you behave.
So the article is mostly Letizia-centered, with a few paragraphs about the Princes.

A few tidbits :
- Letizia is no Diana : no personal agenda, she is always with her husband because HE is the star, and she is here to help
- Letizia is not the sure, strong woman she appears to be : she is behaving as expected in public ( formal events ) but it is not as easy as it seems and she is often worried she isn't doing what is expected from her.
- She is much more at ease when meeting with "normal people"
- Felipe is protecting her a lot, sometime like "a big brother" : he sees through the way Felipe holds her hand
- Letizia seems, to him, very "submissive" to her husband : she is a "Russian Roulette" person : everything or nothing => Obviously, she is very much in love with him ... submissive is maybe another story, but it is my opinion ...
- Letizia is now legit to most of Spain ( they have done an actual survey to say that )

For the page mentionned above, the translation is quite good. Here is the full version :

She adores her husband, that is not a doubt. She overflows of affection for him. Just see these glances of love that she gives him. This couple will resist all, I am convinced by it. Their relationship is not a simple fling born around a swimming pool or at a garden-party like the one of Frederik and Mary. This couple is linked by a difficult history. They faced tests, building their story. Felipe had to convince his parents, his family, Spain, and even a skeptic, even hostile Prime Minister, hostile to this union. I even think that he could have said "either I marry this woman, or I go".

On Letizia's side, she was in love to the point of puting her past as a divorced woman on the public place. This media over-exposure could have destroyed her. But this woman has character, even passion.
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Sidney, thanks for the translation. It seems the magazine did quite an extensive survey about Letizia. Could you give a gist of each percentage in the article? What do you mean by being "legit" in Spain? Does that mean Letizia is popular in Spain or she's respected as a royal now or she's accepted as the future queen?

As for the paragraph translated in full, whose opinion was it? This expert George Chetochine? Does he analyze body language? It's curious that he would throw in Frederik and Mary in the statement. Does that mean he also analyze Frederik and Mary?

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Hello again,

By "legit", I mean as you said mostly respected as a royal in general.

Here are the %ages given :
- 60,1% of the Spaniards ( I think it is the right term for people of Spain but I am not sure ) are "convinced" by Letizia as a royal
- 50,4% think she should be "like the other members of the SRF", it is quite hard to translate ... another way of saying it would be "she should not be different from the other members of the SRF" ...
- 59,5% think that Leo's birth has linked her even more to the Spanish people
- 49,8% think that Letizia is the symbol ( or the "poster child" ) for modern spanish woman
- 41,5% would like to see the Princes become Kings in the 5 coming years

The paragrah translated in full is indeed Chetochine's opinion, who is an expert in body language. The guy is known here in France for his work, we see him on TV in good ( and bad ) shows, he also write articles for papers or magazines like Point de Vue.

Regarding F&M, the article mentions them only there, which is quite weird. I am not sure but I think I remember to have read somewhere an article he had done at the time of their wedding where he said that there were contradictions between their very public displays ( kisses ... ) and the way the behaved between these displays ... I could be wrong or remember badly because honestly the Danish Princes are not my favorites ...


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Sidney, thanks for the translation. It seems the magazine did quite an extensive survey about Letizia. Could you give a gist of each percentage in the article? What do you mean by being "legit" in Spain? Does that mean Letizia is popular in Spain or she's respected as a royal now or she's accepted as the future queen?

As for the paragraph translated in full, whose opinion was it? This expert George Chetochine? Does he analyze body language? It's curious that he would throw in Frederik and Mary in the statement. Does that mean he also analyze Frederik and Mary?

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Thanks for the scans! I think the author did a pretty good analysis of Letizia. Although it is hard to say if she really is "submissive" - even though she doesn't do solo events, she might have a huge say behind the scenes.
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Thank you very much SIDNEY for your explanations!
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Old 07-26-2006, 07:15 AM
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There, s no more translation of all the pages?
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Old 07-26-2006, 07:31 AM
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Thank you Sidney for this translation (and for polishing up mine - the online translators did a good job after all).

I think that the specialist gathered the same opinions we've been gathering over these 2 years about the princes and their story.

I don't agree that she's submissive, as Felipe treat her as his "equal" during the events they attend. But I agree when he says that HE is the star, that's the main reason why Letizia doesn't have solo engagements so far, as Felipe once said himself (if I'm not mistaken), they make a wonderful team.
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I have translated the first lines of this page.:)

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You will never see Letizia without Felipe.
If She could construct her career of star of the journalits with main hand, now with her husband she constructs her destiny as a Princess.
No to speak of eclipsing to Felipe or to rob him the star.
Letizia is the anti Diana.

Im goin to try to traslate the rest of the page.
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Old 07-26-2006, 07:56 AM
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Thank you LaChica for sharing the PointDeVue scans...

It's very thoughtful of you... Thank you Anna, Paty and SIDNEY (Hi! :)) for translating it to us... :)

I guess I am not the only one seeing things... There are more out there ...

I'll keep these words under the Mallorca images :). It's being a great summer!

I would just add my two scents, I don't like the word never... I am sure we will see Letizia without Felipe someday but not in a view "Now she's in charge!"...that's not the way Spanish people and Royal Family behave... I've told this before, Princess Letizia of Spain is following the steps of Princess Sofia of Spain. And she's having the best teachers to succeed.

Once again, congratulations and thank you!

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My french is rusty, but if I might add a few more tidbits to what Sidney posted from pointe de vue...

He also says that the photos indicate to him that Letizia is an intelligent and generous woman, that she is not ambitious, rather she is all about the "holy spanish trinity" (his words): children, spouse and family. And he thinks she is a woman with very very strong friendships, but with no interest in an entourage. He comments as well on her evident need to touch people around her. He finds her a naturally sponateous woman and thinks she struggles with having to contain herself in more formal settings, which is why she lights up when she is with "normal people"--because she is then truly herself, spontaneous, warm and "of the people".

Interestingly, they ask him if the photos reveal any change in her "physcological" profile through the two plus years since her marrriage. He says no, there is no before and after, she remains the same person, the only difference he sees is that she is perhaps happier today.

I also like the page where they interview people at one of their visits around Madrid (Alcala de Henares) and gather some impressions from "the people". They all conform to much of what he says and what is said on this board itself: they are described as a charming and attractive couple, obviously deeply in love; she is described as an asset to the royal family, although her role and place is still in evolution; she is described as beautiful and intelligent; very well educated on culture and arts (this fom the young lady who did the guide of the university) and their behavior overall is described as warm, cordial and appealing.
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You will never see Letizia without Felipe.
If She could construct her career of star of the journalits with main hand, now with her husband she constructs her destiny as a Princess.
No to speak of eclipsing to Felipe or to rob him the star.
Letizia is the anti Diana.
IF, and its only speculation this is the reason Letizia is not allowed to do solo engagmeents or give speeches, as noone from Casareal has given an explenation AFAIK, it does not seem like the spanish household has much confidence in Prince Felipe. I mean, less attractive Princes has wifes with more star quality. Like Willem ALexander forinstance, surly a very nice man and a good father but compared to his outgoing colorful wife he seems a little dull, and his travels are not as good covered as Maximas. Philippe, Haakon and Frederik also gets alot less attention and media space than their wifes, its just the way the media works. But noone thinks that they will do a worse job just because there are fewer pictures of them in the media or not every event is covered, and all of them can not take their thrones for granted either. Harald and Carl Gustavs duties usually slide by unnoticed by the national-press, but noone thinks they do a bad job just because we dont see them on TV everyday or even every week, or we see their wifes more (sure some dont think the royals do a good job but then there are usually other reasons than media attention). The only heir who wont have this problem is Victoria unless she makes a 360 degree turn around and finds a Princess-consort with perfect hair and a broad asortment of shoes:p
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Hello again ladys!

By chance today the Spanish newspaper ABC, publishes part of the article about the Principes of Point de Vue.

And here is:

MADRID. " we will not see Dona Letizia without Don Felipe ". This way it is assured by the weekly of reference of the European royalty Point de Vue, that in his last number the magazine dedicates the front page and twelve pages to the Spanish Royal Family and very specially to TRH the Princes of Asturias.

With the title " Letizia and Felipe , the secrets of the couple ", the French magazine assures that though in the past Dona Letizia constructed in solitarily her career of star of the journalism, now " her Princess's destiny of Asturias has marked it by her husband and it is a question neither of eclipsing the future King of Spain, nor to taking the protagonism from him ". In this context, the weekly affirms that " Dona Letizia is the anti Lady ".

Warns the publication about the risks that it bears that the Princesses colitigant end up by monopolizing the whole attention and turning into protagonists of the magazines of heart, since it happened with the Princess of Wales: " The women are the future of the European Monarchies. But to what price? Maxim (of Holland), Mette-Marit (of Norway), Mary (of Denmark), or Matilde (of Belgium), they have ended, to her sorrow, for Inheritors eclipsed in the mass media her husbands, the Princes ".

But, one asks the magazine, " what they can make (the Princesses) against this "plebeyización" of the spirits and the dictation of the image, the charisma and the feminine glamour. Nothing - it answers-, but to be afraid that ultimately his couple weakens, separates and ends in the pages of social life and in the section of divorces ". The " syndrome Lady Diana " it remains still , assures the publication, and " it produces terror in the Royal Houses ".

Conscious of the danger, adds Poin de Vue, the Spanish Royal House " it has never decided to play the letter of the Couple Don Felipe and Dona Letizia together - never without other one - opposite to the most ultramodern practice for that some of they were waiting , is to say, that the Princess of Asturias was having her own agenda ". According to the French magazine, " unlike what it happens in Holland, Norway, Denmark and Belgium, in Spain will be the couple - she and he -, or nobody ". " That remains clear to the magazines ", it adds.

The method " made in Borbón "

The article stands out like since there was born the first-born one of the Princes of Asturias, the Infanta Leonor, Don Felipe and Dona Letizia never separate. A fact that the specialist in human behavior Georges Chetochine consulted by Poin de Vue, summarizes of the following way: " Without the couple, there is no future ". This formula is valued very positively by the publication, since he assures that after two years of marriage , " in that there is in the habit of being unevenness ", the method " made in Borbón " seems " to work wonderfully " and their daily happiness prove it.

High popularity

Supports the publication, that throughout this time the popularity of Don Felipe and Dona Letizia has not lowered ever, something that also can be estimated in their displacements. In this point , the magazine emphasizes the reception that the Princes of Asturias received during his recent visit to Alcala de Henares , the city of Cervantes, " where both took the temperature to the public opinion. Don Felipe and Dona Letizia do not fight against the mills, but they work patiently. And they wait their great day ",it concludes the information.

http://www.abc.es/20060727/nacional-...607270309.html
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Hello again.

I have translated this page of Point de Vue's article. I am very interested in knowing What it is they say, and share it with those that are interested it also.First I it have translated of French to Spanish, this way to I understand it better and last it to translate to the English.
I hope you can understand it well.

Original Posted by La Chica Madrileña http://s2.supload.com/free/pdv4.JPG/view/

" What Reveal Letizia's Gestures "
For years, this specialist of the human behavior advises to multinationals, chiefs of State and stars of the mass media. We submitted to his analysis two years of photos of the Princess Letizia. A deciphering in the shape of test for the image which results are surprising.

" Naturally spontaneous, franc and direct the princess Letizia suffers easily the duty of " behaving ", I would say even more " to control herself ". This can put her in a condition of psychological intense and painful tension. Letizia doubts, one raises too many things.

With all evidence,she is afraid to doing it badly, of being below the espectatives/hopes put in her .When the situation oprime her (and this is seen in many photos), she closed herself at one stroke. She puts face of frightful sadness. Lowered head, exact lips, sad face, closed fists, entered shoulders, distant look. She is fragile as an elastic tape that it can break.We see her to manipulate nervously her alliance, as if she was trying to calm herself … She does not manage to pretend, to keep up appearances. Is it amazing this on the part of a former Tv Journalist for her auto control? Not, not really. Actually , when a person is in front of a camera we are not like a parrot that recites a text.Everything is millimeter in TV. You are supported by an editor chief, by every team. And then there is the director. In the TV, Leticia not did not have to be herself. It was an automaton. See Claire Chazal, with whom she was compared very much. It is a very good presentadora, but in the intimacy, I can assure you that Letizia is more variegated, more fragile. "
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Thank you so much Paty for your effort and translations!:)
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Thank you so much Paty for your effort and translations!:)
Thanks to yuo for scan the pages. Im gion to translate all the pages, because i think it´s very interesting.

This Traslator correspon with this page. Original posted by LCM
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The woman in both sides

" From a photo, to the other one, we have the impression of which they are two diametrically opposite persons. With all evidence, there are a few moments that the princess totally seems to be lost, absent. She suffers, in a situation of " representation ", without face, without soul, without capture on the reality.She does not support of being a "vase", a simply officially act or a gala dinner of show alone where it´s just necessary " to appear". She detests the inaction, the passiveness. It can be a disadvantage, for which it is known that this forms a part of the work of future queen. "

Sentimental.

" A thing is sure: Letizia is not arrogant! She has estimate for the people, the anonymous people, "little people ". The Princess prefers these "various relationships" to the falsely sincere ones. Letizia does not scare the crowd.

Where others would feel attacked, she feels well, because, fundamentally, she is a girl of the people. In the baths of multitudes, she feels between her peers. She is regenerated, she is stirred into action. We are with the authentic Letizia, the naughty one, the smily girl with the whole of her expressive eyes.
The princess is never as happy as when she is accompanied by the people, narrowing hands, eating a chunk of salami with a peasant, taking a child in her arms. She reminds me president Jacques Chirac. "
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Another traslation, correspon to this page.
http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=pdv6.JPG

The dominant one dominated?

" She is not a person who seeks for attention, who tries to stand out on her relatives. I do not see her as an ambitious woman, dominating her destiny. She is rigorously the opposite thing. She needs to rest in moral traditional values. The holy and Spanish trilogy: children, husband, family. I see her rather as "the good friend ". She surrounds herself by a very, very, good friends' circle. Everything leads me to think that she is an intelligent, generous and spicy woman. "



Translate of this page. Original posted by LCM
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Felipe , the " Big Brother "

"The prince of Asturias has a very particular way of taking the hand of his wife, very protective, like a "big brother" might do it. Their fingers do not cross, their hands are a palm against palm. Letizia's phalanxes seem to literally disappear in the hand of Felipe. Like taking the hand of a child, not that of his wife! I have the impression that he says to her: "do not be afraid, I protect you" With his high stature, the prince monitors, from the "tower of control", the gestures of his wife. Sometimes, the gun-sight as if he was a baby, fragile. It is very curious. I guess in her big distresses linked to the infancy. And see Letizia's attitude in the photo where she has simultaneously the stairs on which it is her husband and his leg. She is very afraid for the situation.

A gallery (of portraits) without evolution?

"In two years of marriage, I do not necessarily see an evolution in her psychology. There is no before and after. Though the birth of her daughter should have lower the media pressure on her. I have the impression that she is more happy today, it is for that the Royal House placed it very judiciously in better conditions, multiplying the baths of multitudes and the "regional" trips.



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"She is Felipe-Dependent"

" She is like a Russian roulette, prepared to do 400 blows.She needs limits not to yield her impulses. And her husband knows it. Really there is no type of equality in this couple. Letizia seems to be very submissive to her husband. She needs his protection. Saying this, I know that this can shock the sensibility of the feminists. But the young woman conceives her couple like " binomial ", a bit to Spanish TV's image version, where often there is a man and a woman to present the news.

This need to touch the people

"I was surprised by this need that she has to touch the people. Letizia touches the whole world: her husband, the members of the royal family, the crowd. She is the sign of a person who needs protection, safety, real contact, of calming down saying "Tell me that we are very united!". Her hands speak also for her. She isn't a Latin woman for nothing. Look at this photo, when she was a TV journalist. It is a person very in wait, appearing questions. She plays with her feather, raises the papers. So many indications that betray feelings, worries. There is a great difference between her impassive face and her anxious hands: She seems to dominate the exercise of dominating her subject, and nevertheless her emotions really are not dominated.



I hope that can to understand it well. If there is any member who is French and sees that there is a bad translated you can correct it.:)
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Hello again.

I have translated this page of Point de Vue's article. I am very interested in knowing What it is they say, and share it with those that are interested it also.First I it have translated of French to Spanish, this way to I understand it better and last it to translate to the English.
I hope you can understand it well.

Original Posted by La Chica Madrileña http://s2.supload.com/free/pdv4.JPG/view/
thank youi very much for the translation

i find the article very interressant I think that with time the sprinces made conceal and will still make conceal the scandalmonger which beautiful couple
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Thank you Paty for taking your time to translate the articles to us :). It was very thoughtful of you.
I appreciate your efforts.

I have a question, does Point de Vue make this kind of studies often and regarding other Royal Couples?! I wouldlike to read other objects of study, it would be interesting to see if I agree with the other views ...

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Thank you Paty for taking your time to translate the articles to us :). It was very thoughtful of you.
I appreciate your efforts.

I have a question, does Point de Vue make this kind of studies often and regarding other Royal Couples?! I woul dlike to read other objects of study, it would be interesting to see if I agree with the other views ...

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Dear Mtbcm. Thank you very much for your words, you are always so affectionate.

About the study of Mr. Georges, I think that he only has realized this study for the Principes, but I am not very sure.

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Interesting - Sofia touches people even more than Letizia does. Wonder what he has to say about her.
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