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the couple will use a rolls royce phantom iv to go to the basilica of atocha. it's the same car cristina and iñaki used..
 
about protocol

for the ones interested in protocol, here's an article in spanish about the treatment which will be used at the royal wedding.

El protocolo en una Boda Real

Ya sabemos muchas cosas sobre la Boda Real, pero pocos conocemos los entresijos del Protocolo para un acto de estas características. En este artículo te lo contamos todo, desde cómo se deben vestir los invitados a cómo estará puesta la mesa en el Banquete Nupcial que se servirá tras la ceremonia.


La vestimenta de las mujeres
Las pautas de vestimenta suelen venir indicadas en la invitación. Para una boda de día, como es el caso, las señoras deben ir de corto, evitando los escotes escandalosos y los cortos exagerados. Lo ideal es un largo por debajo de la rodilla o por encima del tobillo. Hay dos colores prohibidos: el blanco (por ser el color de la novia) y el negro que se considera que no se debe llavar en las bodas.

En las bodas de día se llevan mantillas o bien tocados y pamelas. Hay que tener cuidado con que el tocado o pamela elegidos no sean demasiado aparatosos, ya que no se quitan durante ningún momento de la boda (ni siquiera en el banquete) con lo que si es muy grande, molestará al comensal que se tenga al lado.

Los bolsos suelen ser pequeños y discretos, a juego con los zapatos. Al sentarse, nunca se deben dejar encima de la mesa si no a un lado de la silla.

No es una casualidad que las soberanas nunca coincidan en el color de sus trajes, se trata, más bien, de una labor entre secretarías. Allí se encargan de averiguar e informar, discretamente, por supuesto, sobre los tonos elegidos por cada Casa Real.

Es normal que en las bodas reales, la Casa de Su Majestad ponga a disposión de la realeza de otros países y de ilustres inviradas un servicio de Peluquería Y Maquillaje para las señoras. Según la revista Interviú, así se hizo en la boda de las dos Infantas. Cerca de 200 maquilladores y estilistas contratados por la Casa Real, fueron arreglando a las damas de la realeza por los distintos hoteles donde estaban alojadas.

Cómo deben vestir los hombres
La prenda adcuada para este tipo de ceremonias es el chaqué, compuesta por una chaqueta negra terminada en pico y un pantalón a rayas de color gris. La camisa debe ser blanca y la corbata suele ser gris de seda. Los chalecos es más adecuado que sean lisos. No es adecuado llevar un peñuelo a juego con la corbata o de colores llamativos. Si se usa pañuelo, lo indicado es blanco. En cuanto a los zapatos, deben ser negros y de cordones y los calcetines, negros.


La etiqueta en la mesa es bastante rígida
El menú
El menú en las Bodas Reales lo suele servir un restaurador de reconocido prestigio de la ciudad donde se celebra la boda. En este caso es Jockey quien servirá el banquete en la boda de Don Felipe y Letizia Ortiz. El menú suele estar compuesto por dos entrantes (uno puede ser frío y otro caliente), un plato de pescado, otro de carne y el postre.

Es también frecuente en este tipo de bodas, que haya menús alternativos para personas de otras religiones (con otras costumbres alimenticias) y también para personas vegetarianas o diabéticas. En el menú de la Infanta Elena hubo, por ejemplo, un menú vegetariano, otro musulmán y otro kosher para personas de religión judía.

En los vinos, se elegirán blancos secos y tintos reservas o gran reservas de alguna de las DO españolas más prestigiosas. En los postres se puede servir algún vino dulce para acompañar y por supuesto el cava.


En la mesa se colocan 4 copas
Las normas en la mesa
El protocolo en la mesa es importantísimo, desde cómo se coloca el cubierto o las copas o cuáles son las normas de educación que deben regir durante la comida.

Los manteles serán de hilo blanco; se utiliza cubertería de plata y la vejilla de Palacio con el Escudo Real. El plato llano es el que primero se coloca, luego se colocan bien alineados los cubiertos, los más cercanos al plato serán los que el comensal use antes, y los últimos los que se usarán para terminar; los cubiertos de postre se pondrán por encima del plato.

En cuanto a las copas, se colocarán 4, de izquierda a derecha; de agua, de vino tinto, de vino blanco y de cava. Los platos no son servidos de ninguna fuente o bandeja común, es decir, la comida se servirá directamente en los platos de cada comensal. Nunca se retira unm plato sin haber puesto otro inmediatamente después; es decir, el comensal nunca se queda sin ningún plato en la mesa.

Para que los camareros que sirvan la mesa sepan si hemos acabado o no, ésto se suele indicar con los cubiertos: si se dejan a las seis de la tarde o a las cuatro y veinte (según las agujas del reloj) es que hemos acabado.

Comportamiento de los invitados
Lo normal es que los invitados se conozcan pero si no es así y se sientan juntos en el banquete; se deben presentar con nombres y apellidos. En un aconteciento de estas caracterísicas no es muy adecuado comer demasiado, por muy buena que resulte la comida. Tampoco se debe beber demasiado, para evitar caer en el ridículo o la exageración. En cuanto a la conversación en la mesa, se deben evitar temas polémicos como la política o el fútbol y hablar de cosas más banales.
 
would it be possible to get a translation? I don't speak spanish and it looks facinating!
 
Originally posted by Fireweaver@May 2nd, 2004 - 8:05 pm
That's not a very nice protocol. Why must she wear heels that high?
well 8cm are the normal heel height anyway but 15 is insane.
 
Originally posted by Fireweaver@May 7th, 2004 - 3:33 pm
would it be possible to get a translation? I don't speak spanish and it looks facinating!
translation


protocol in a royal wedding

women's outfits.
what women should wear is specified in the invitation. for a wedding during the morning women should wear short skirt, avoiding large necklines and very short skirts. the ideal mesure of them is underneath the knees or above ankles. there are two forbiden colours: white (because of the bride) and black.

during a morning wedding women should wear pamelas, head-dresses or mantillas (very typical spanish hair-dress). women should take into account not to wear very flamboyant hats, because they can't be taken off during all the wedding (even in the meal you have to wear it), so if it is very big you can bother the person siting next to you.

purses should be small, and should match with the shoes. when you sit down, purses should not be left on the table but in the floor, next to your chair.

it's not coincidence that princesses and queens don't choose the same colour. secretaries try to guess and inform royal houses about the colours choosen by each royal house.

it's normal that in royal weddings, the royal house lets at everyone's disposal (to the ones invited only) a hair dresser and make up service. according to information in interviu magazine, nearly 200 hairdressers were hired to go to the different hotels where invited people were lodging.

gentlemen's clothes.

the garment should be the chaqué. the shirt should be white and the tie should be grey and made of silk. the vest should be with plain designs. it's not correct to wear a handkerchief matching with the tie or with loud colours. if a handkerchief should be wear, it should be white. shoes should be black as the socks.

table:
the menu.
the menu should be served by a well known restaurant, in this case the one choosen is jockey. the menu consist on two main dishes (fish and meat) and the dessert.
it's frequent that in this type of events are alternative dishes for musulman or vegetarian people. in elena's wedding there was a menu for vegetarians, other for musulmans and 'kosher'.

wines should be from a well known reserve of the spanish do. in the dessert there can be also a sweet wine and obviously, cava.

in the table there should be 4 glasses (white wine, red wine, cava and water)
tablecloth should be made of yarn and the cuterly and dishes should have the shield of the royal house. food is served directely in the dishes and there should be always a dish on the table.
to take out the dishes there are two hours (6 o clock and 20 past 4).

bahaviour:

normally people who are invited know the people who are siting next to them. if not, they should be presented with named and surnames. it's not correct to eat or drink a lot. conversations should be about banal things, avoiding futbol or politics.
 
Thanks for the translation, Carlota.
 
BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA: Silversmith Marcelo Toledo works on a flower-shaped salt shaker made out of sterling silver 07 May, 2004 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The piece, part of a group of six different kind of flowers (daisy-pansy-hydrangea-pomegranate-orange blossom-glacier) will be the Argentine government's official wedding present in the wedding of Spanish Prince Felipe de Borbon with Letizia Ortiz next May 22nd in Madrid

Step 1- Pour mold

Step 2- Smoooooth it out

Step 3- Hit it with a nail !?!

Step 4- Floss

Step 5- Put the metal to the petal

Step 6- Perfection
 
it's probable that letizia will use the 'la chata' tiara for her wedding...
 
journalists invited to the royal wedding.

some of the names of this people are alfredo urdaci, baltasar magro, pedro erquicia, ana blanco, cristina garcia, angel nodal, sagrario ruiz, almudena arzizia, curra luengo, amparo zamorano, cándida godoy, amaia pérez de mendiola, isabel sánchez, luis del olmo, iñaki gabilondo, giménez losantos and carlos herrera.
 
30 heads of state, 40 royal houses to attend Spanish royal wedding

MADRID (AFP) - Some 30 heads of state and around 40 royal houses have accepted invitations to attend the wedding of Prince Felipe de Bourbon and former journalist Letizia Ortiz this month, officials said.

The official list of guests will not be made public until nearer the ceremony on May 22 for security and protocol reasons.

Around 30 heads of state had indicated they would attend and 40 royal houses said they would send representatives by Tuesday, when the committee coordinating arrangements held its first meeting.

The palace is still processing requests for accreditation from the 4,000 or so journalists from 40 countries who will be covering the ceremony at the Almudena cathedral in Madrid.

A vast security operation will be in place for the event, just two months after Spain's worst ever extremist attack. Some 10,000 police officers will be on duty and air space over the Spanish capital will be closed for 48 hours and be patrolled by F-18 fighter jets.

Yahoo! News
 
Originally posted by carlota@May 8th, 2004 - 7:55 am
it's probable that letizia will use the 'la chata' tiara for her wedding...
According to Hola!, it's rumoured that she will use "La Chata" tiara (also known as the "diadema de Conchas") in the danish royal wedding, not in her wedding day ;) But maybe this is not the tiara that Letizia will use in Denmark. This tiara is part of an exibition about spanish queen Isabel II that can be seen this days in Madrid. I don't know if will be available to Letizia wear it in the danish royal wedding :unsure:

Btw, this tiara was a gift given by the King parents, the Counts of Barcelona, to Queen Sofia, in 1962, as a wedding gift. Its' said that now, Queen Sofia will offer the same tiara to Letizia :flower:
 
I found some information about the Mellerio Shell Tiara (also known as "La Chata" Tiara) :flower:

Mellerio Shell Tiara

One of the two tiaras currently favored by Queen Sofia,
this particular jewel was made by the famous French firm
Mellerio around 1867 and shown at the Paris Exposition
in that same year. It was purchased in 1868 by Queen
Isabella II as a wedding gift for the Infanta Maria
Isabel, who left it to her nephew King Alfonso XIII.

However, it was Alfonso's son Juan, the Count of Barcelona,
who gave the Mellerio tiara to Princess Sofia of Greece as
a wedding present in 1962. The princess wore it to a pre-
wedding gala in Athens, along with another wedding gift,
the diamond floral tiara that had been presented to her
on the behalf of the Spanish people.

The award-winning design of this tiara is that of the foamy
crest of a wave. Seven large, graduated drop pearls hang
from the crests, interspersed by diamonds drops. Originally
a large diamond drop hung down from the center of the tiara.

The Tiara

Queen Sofia wearing this tiara

(information taken from Royal Jewels of the world)
 
Originally posted by xicamaluca+May 8th, 2004 - 7:42 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (xicamaluca @ May 8th, 2004 - 7:42 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-carlota@May 8th, 2004 - 7:55 am
it's probable that letizia will use the 'la chata' tiara for her wedding...
According to Hola!, it's rumoured that she will use "La Chata" tiara (also known as the "diadema de Conchas") in the danish royal wedding, not in her wedding day ;) But maybe this is not the tiara that Letizia will use in Denmark. This tiara is part of an exibition about spanish queen Isabel II that can be seen this days in Madrid. I don't know if will be available to Letizia wear it in the danish royal wedding :unsure:

Btw, this tiara was a gift given by the King parents, the Counts of Barcelona, to Queen Sofia, in 1962, as a wedding gift. Its' said that now, Queen Sofia will offer the same tiara to Letizia :flower: [/b][/quote]
thanks for that information, xicamaluca. i would really love to see her wearing a tiara!

do you know the name of the tiara given by the king parents to sofia?
 
from http://www.guardian.co.uk

Spain digs in for wedding of century


An extraordinary security operation involving thousands of police, as well as fighter aircraft and early warning systems, will be launched in Madrid later this month for what is being billed in Spain as the wedding of the century.
Representatives of more than 40 royal families are expected to attend the marriage of Felipe of Bourbon, Prince of Asturias and heir to the Spanish throne, to Letizia Ortiz, a 31-year-old divorcee and former newsreader.

The royal palace closed to tourists yesterday for the final preparations for an event of such magnitude that a parliamentary committee has been set up to oversee it.

The security operation will be especially tight after the al-Qaida attack on a Madrid commuter train in March in which more than 200 people died.

Border controls will be re-established for the week leading up to the ceremony on May 22 and more than 10,000 police officers will be drafted on to the streets.

The airspace over Madrid will be closed for the day and Nato has been asked to provide an early warning aircraft. The newspaper ABC reported that a squadron of F-18 fighters will also be on patrol.

After decades of dictatorship the Spanish have great enthusiasm for the monarchy and much of the country will come to a standstill for the day.

The celebrations will begin on May 21 - the night before the wedding - with a dinner for selected royals in the Palace of El Pardo. The ceremony itself will take place in the Almudena cathedral.

Royal prerogative means King Juan Carlos does not have to reveal how much he is spending on the party, but one magazine, Interviu, estimates it will cost more than £4m. And that does not include £2.5m being spent on restoration work at the royal palace itself, or a further £300,000 for the refurbishment of the Basilica of Atocha where the future queen will offer her bouquet to the Virgin of Atocha after the ceremony.

The couple have been inundated with gifts, many from ordinary Spaniards. A man from Cordoba sent a python, inspired, according to the Cordoba Daily, by others who sent two donkeys.

Jaime Peñafiel, an expert on the Spanish monarchy, predicted that even sceptics would be carried away by the romance of the occasion.

He told El Mundo's website: "Spain is a country of courtiers. The politicians are courtiers, the press are courtiers and the people are courtiers. So they'll enjoy the wedding more than an idiot enjoys chalk, with all its paraphernalia, even those who'd like to see the end of the monarchy."
 
from http://www.telegraph.co.uk

Royal wedding spending attacked
By Isambard Wilkinson, Madrid Correspondent


Members of Spain's Left-wing parties have called for spending curbs on the lavish preparations being made for the wedding of Crown Prince Felipe and a former television presenter.

The wedding between the 35-year-old prince, and Leticia Ortiz, 31, which is to take place this month amid tightened security following the bomb attacks in Madrid, is fast taking on sumptuous proportions as the best cooks and performers jostle to play a part in the event.

However, plans by Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon, the centre-Right mayor of Madrid, to spruce the city up for the occasion have been met with protests by the newly-elected Left, which called for "austerity".

In particular, plans to spend 2.2 million euros (£1.5 million) on illuminating some of the capital's buildings in accordance with the plans of Pascua Ortega, an interior designer, on the May 22 wedding day, has been criticised.

Also deemed to be frivolous was the commissioning of a nine-minute song for the marriage by Nacho Cano, a former member of the Spanish group Mecano.

A spokesman for the communist United Left said the plan was an example of "the culture use and dispose". Rosa Leon, a Socialist counsellor, said that Ruiz Gallardon and his People's Party "do not have a policy of culture towards the artists and composers of Madrid and then they suddenly ask them to write a symphony".

Concepcion Denche, of the United Left said: "In the end these gifts will not be returned to the city nor anyone else. Madrid will not improve from these actions."

picture of the new murals
 
La carpa donde comerán los casi 1400 invitados ya fue instalada en el Palacio Real, en Madrid

Royal Palace
 
about the wedding gown...

it was said that the dress would have a neckline as the one maxima chosed. actually, the neckline would be more or less as the one of the jacket of the engagement suit or as the one of mathilde's wedding gown...
 
Originally posted by carlota@May 8th, 2004 - 1:32 pm
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do you know the name of the tiara given by the king parents to sofia?
The tiara given by the kings parents to Queen Sofia was "La Chata" Tiara ;)
 
Originally posted by donnaK+Apr 30th, 2004 - 4:40 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (donnaK @ Apr 30th, 2004 - 4:40 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-helleniki@Apr 30th, 2004 - 3:43 pm
The royal guests:
About Denmark is difficult to know who will attend. I read HM King Juan Carlos I will not attend the wedding of HRH Crown Prince Frederik, so we can ask ''If the King of Spain will not attend the Crown Prince of Denmark wedding, will the Queen of Denmark attend the Crown Prince of Spain wedding?''. Frederik and Mary probably will be on honey-moon jorney, so TRH Princes Joachim and Alexandra could be the representatives of the Danish Royal Family.

HM Queen Elizabeth II is said to attend the wedding.

TM King Konstantinos II and Queen Anna Maria of the Hellenes of course will attend the wedding as they will do one week before in Copenhagen.

TRH Infant Duarte of Portugal and Infanta Isabel will also attend the wedding.
Where did you get the news that Queen Elizabeth II would be coming to the Wedding ? As I know, she won't come. [/b][/quote]
I read HM Queen Elizabeth II and HRH Crown Prince Charles will attend the wedding in a portuguese magazine. It was conformed by the Buckingham Palace staff. HM will stay at the Palce of Pardo, where the pre-wedding gala will be held.
 
I think it has been repeatedly brought up that Queen Elizabeth will be attending, but in fact she will not. She has not attended an out of country wedding, funeral or other occasion in years. And no offence to Felipe and Letizia or the Spanish royal family, but I don't think Queen Elizabeth has a special enough relationship with the Spanish royal family to warrant attending Felipe and Letizia's wedding, even if one day they will be the King and Queen of Spain.
 
Article from: The New York Times

Madrid Plan for Royal Wedding Somewhat Muted After Attacks

By DALE FUCHS
Published: May 9, 2004


MADRID, May 8 - Tulips and roses will brighten the streets and live music will perk up the plazas when the Spanish crown prince and his bride walk down the aisle in Almudena Cathedral here on May 22.

But the memory of the March 11 terror attacks will pervade the wedding between Prince Felipe, 36, and Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano, a 35-year-old television journalist. In fact, the cathedral is the place where relatives prayed at a state funeral for the 192 bombing victims. Some planned festivities, like a sound-and-light show, have been canceled to lend a more sober air, city officials say.

Heightened security also dampens the mood. More than 10,000 police officers and emergency workers will be on maximum alert, the airspace above the capital will be closed, and, said one of the designers hired to decorate the city, the royal couple will travel in an armored Rolls-Royce. But for many here - even some of those who disdain all royal trappings or scorn the prince's choice of a bride who has been married before - the celebration offers a welcome distraction from the collective grief that overwhelmed Madrid. Few take issue with the unfortunate timing.

"After the destruction, it's an affirmation of life," said Susana Ronga, a psychologist who treated victims' families. María Rosa González, a 50-year-old school janitor, said: "It's a relief to talk about a wedding after so many deaths. I'm going to watch it all day on television from start to finish."

Businesses are counting on people like Ms. González. Locals and tourists gobble up wedding souvenirs, including a 100-euro replica of the royal engagement ring. Some hotels, hurt by a dip in tourism after the bombing, are filling up again.

Mayor Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón of Madrid has turned the occasion into a chance to promote the city's international image. He announced this week that 1.2 million flowers would ill adorn the street lamps and fountains. , Next to the Atocha train station where three of the bombs went off, a "forest" of 192 potted cypress and olive tress will offer a tribute to bombing victims.
 
xicamaluca, should Letizia be wearing a tiara BEFORE her wedding at the Danish wedding? She will not be a princess yet. I would find it strange. I know Maxima did at the the Norwegian wedding, and I was really suprised. She was not yet a full member of the royal family and neither will Letizia be when she attends Fred and Mary's wedding.

TC
Barbara
 
Well, I wasn't suprised that maxima dit and I will not suprised if Letizia did so. As the Danish wedding requires gala outfit and tiara's for the ladies, it would be very strange to see someone without a tiara, if the rest of the female guests is wearing one.

Maxima had chosen for a kind of comprimis, she would wear a tiara, but a small one, because the other guests wore some more prominent tiara's.
 
Traditionally, unmarried women did not wear tiaras (with the exception of their own wedding in which they walk into the church unmarried and walk out married - well, unless something goes seriously wrong).

Rank (princess or non princess) is not a factor although in the past it was considered inappropriate to outshine one's host and those of a higher status and therefore younger and/or lower ranking people did not wear anything too showy or flashy.

This has changed with the times and it is no longer such a faux pas for an unmarried women to wear a tiara. If the princess-to-be is already accepted in royal circles then it will not be surprising to see her wear a tiara to fit in with others.
 
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E1702,00.html

Donkeys for Spanish royals

From correspondents in Madrid
May 11, 2004

A 1.3-tonne bronze bell to a pair of donkeys, Spain's hottest couple is being showered with wedding gifts ahead of their May 23 wedding.

Crown Prince Felipe and his fiancee Letizia Ortiz received a symphony written by pop musician Nacho Cano today.

The nine-minute piece, Music for a Wedding, was played for them for the first time at city hall by the Royal Theatre Symphony Orchestra.

Of the other gifts, the bell was a present from the government of the northern Cantabria region.

The donkeys Ruisenor (which means mocking bird) and Calandria were from Pascual Roviera, president of the Association for the Defence of Donkeys, an endangered species in Spain. The organisation is based in the southern city of Cordoba.

The donkeys are the offspring of a pair Roviera gave Felipe's sisters, Elena and Cristina, when they married a banker and a professional handball player in the mid-1990s.
 
Originally posted by xicamaluca@May 11th, 2004 - 5:25 am
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E1702,00.html

Donkeys for Spanish royals

From correspondents in Madrid
May 11, 2004

A 1.3-tonne bronze bell to a pair of donkeys, Spain's hottest couple is being showered with wedding gifts ahead of their May 23 wedding.

Crown Prince Felipe and his fiancee Letizia Ortiz received a symphony written by pop musician Nacho Cano today.

The nine-minute piece, Music for a Wedding, was played for them for the first time at city hall by the Royal Theatre Symphony Orchestra.

Of the other gifts, the bell was a present from the government of the northern Cantabria region.

The donkeys Ruisenor (which means mocking bird) and Calandria were from Pascual Roviera, president of the Association for the Defence of Donkeys, an endangered species in Spain. The organisation is based in the southern city of Cordoba.

The donkeys are the offspring of a pair Roviera gave Felipe's sisters, Elena and Cristina, when they married a banker and a professional handball player in the mid-1990s.
An ass! An ass! My kingdom for an ass!
 
What are some of the other celebrations before the actual wedding? Will the couple travel in horse carriage like danish wedding? Btw is there any state carriage for the spainish, like the british? ;)
 
Originally posted by Duke@May 11th, 2004 - 9:02 am
What are some of the other celebrations before the actual wedding?
Some of the pre-wedding festivities originally planned for the Spanish Crown Princely wedding were cancelled in light of the March 11 Mardrid train attacks. A fireworks display to be presented to the couple by the city (Madrid, Barcelona? My memory fails me now.) was cancelled by decision of Felipe and Letizia, with funds from that would've gone to the fireworks show going to victims of the attack instead. I believe that there might still be a pre-wedding ball however, though it may be scaled down a bit. I am not sure. :( But the Spanish pre-wedding festivities will be quite scaled and toned down in comparison to the Danish pre-wedding festivities.

Will the couple travel in horse carriage like danish wedding? Btw is there any state carriage for the spainish, like the british? ;)

The Spanish do use carriages but very limited. Both Elena and Cristina rode in carriages with their new husbands after the church service. Cristina rode hers to another church where she placed her bouquet on the altar. Not sure if Elena did. I am not sure what the protocol is for a Crown Princely wedding. Perhaps Felipe and Letizia will ride away in a carriage as Felipe's sisters did, but with the increased security measures and threats of an attack by the Spanish equivalent of the IRA (bad memory this morning, can't remember their names either!), an open carriage may not provide as much security for Felipe and Letizia.
 
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